Was Moses a Jew?

There are times when I wonder if some Christians are jealous of Jews. Some of the comments on this site boggle the mind. Seriously, are we praying to the same God?

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

Major1 said:

My dear friend......if the Law was for all of us, then why was it that it was only given to the Hebrews at Mt. Sinai????

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Are you kidding??

Leviticus 19:34
The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.

Exodus 12:49
The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.”

Leviticus 24:22
There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the Lord your God.’”

Numbers 9:14
If an alien sojourns among you and observes the Passover to the Lord, according to the statute of the Passover and according to its ordinance, so he shall do; you shall have one statute, both for the alien and for the native of the land.’”

Numbers 15:14
If an alien sojourns with you, or one who may be among you throughout your generations, and he wishes to make an offering by fire, as a soothing aroma to the Lord, just as you do so he shall do.

Numbers 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the alien who sojourns with you, a perpetual statute throughout your generations; as you are, so shall the alien be before the Lord.

Numbers 15:16
There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.’”


Numbers 15:29
You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.

Deuteronomy 1:16
“Then I charged your judges at that time, saying, ‘Hear the cases between your fellow countrymen, and judge righteously between a man and his fellow countryman, or the alien who is with him.

Deuteronomy 24:14
“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your countrymen or one of your aliens who is in your land in your towns.

Leviticus 18:26
But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you

Exodus 12:19
Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land.

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.

Deuteronomy 5:14
but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

Leviticus 16:29
“This shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;

Leviticus 17:8
“Then you shall say to them, ‘Any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice,

Leviticus 17:10
‘And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 22:18
“Speak to Aaron and to his sons and to all the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘Any man of the house of Israel or of the aliens in Israel who presents his offering, whether it is any of their votive or any of their freewill offerings, which they present to the Lord for a burnt offering—

Leviticus 17:13
So when any man from the sons of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, in hunting catches a beast or a bird which may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth.

Leviticus 24:16
Moreover, the one who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him. The alien as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

Numbers 15:26
So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error.



Even the promise ENSHRINED in this law you wish to reject...even abolish:

Ezekiel 47:21So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.

22And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.

23And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

Bèlla said:

There are times when I wonder if some Christians are jealous of Jews. Some of the comments on this site boggle the mind. Seriously, are we praying to the same God?

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

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It seems to be a regional problem. After I moved down south the following occurred.

I am a manager where I work. My name appears at the main desk. The owners had to change the spelling of my last name slightly. In doing so, my Jewish name was no longer apparent.

Before the name change , before I said anything, I was at times mysteriously greeted with anger and even veiled rage.

Then the name spelling was slightly changed.

Then.. the hatred stopped after the name was changed.

And, some of them were Christian people doing the hating.

For that reason, many gentiles are viewed as ignorant bigots by many Jews. Doctrines like "you are not a Jew" has an obvious sentiment that Jews instinctively sense as idiotic. Its antichrist in attitude. Its divisive. Just like Black Lives Matter would make race relation much worse they had their way.

But, some people with a need to feel they are wise are attracted to such teaching. They become pawns in the spiritual warfare and are tools used to harass Jews.

The irony is. Being a Jew made not much sense to me until after I had the Holy Spirit enter me. As I learned the Bible, I began to first understand why God created the Jewish race. And, why Jesus was born unto the Jews as one of them.

Jesus is going to raise up 144,000 from His people. All Jews. Some Gentiles do get jealous at times because with these gentiles they are a jealous type to begin with. As long as they walk in the flesh they will find false doctrines to appease their desires of their flesh.

As it stands right now? There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

Does that mean those of the tribe of Levi do not count in Christ Jesus?

Its a dumb doctrine. Its a doctrine allowed by God to be presented to reveal the hearts of men. Men who need to repent.

grace and peace.......

genez said:

It seems to be a regional problem. After I moved down south the following occurred.

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genez,

Thank you for opening up. This is difficult to read. It hurts. I have so much love inside of me for Jews. Not only because we're one. But also because they helped me find my way to God and Christ. No theology will ever erase the memory of what landed on their doorstep and the love and kindness I received.

You've echoed my thoughts beautifully. I'm saving your post as a heartfelt reminder of home in familiar circles. You've blessed me richly with this.

Shalom dear brother.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

MarkeSmith said:

Was Moses a Jew?

Is there such a thing as Judaism?
Is there a Jewish Messiah?
is there a Jewish religion?
Is there a Jewish covenant?

To all the above the answer is NO!

Moses was a Levite!
He was not a Jew or of the tribe of Judah!
There is no Judaism Jewish religion or Jewish Messiah or Jewish covenant!
The Mosaic covenant religion and Messiah was for Israel all 12 tribes not for the Jews or the tribe of Judah alone!

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What do you think is the name the religion that Moses and Jesus practiced?

genez said:

It seems to be a regional problem. After I moved down south the following occurred.

I am manager on where I work. My name appears at the main desk. The owners had to change the spelling of my last name slightly. In doing so, my Jewish name was no longer apparent.

Before the name change , before I said anything I was at times mysteriously greeted with anger and even veiled rage.

Then the name spelling was slightly changed.

Then.. the hatred stopped after the name was changed.

And, some of them were Christian people doing the hating.

For that reason, many gentiles are viewed as ignorant bigots by many Jews. Doctrines like "you are not a Jew" has an obvious sentiment that Jews instinctively sense as idiotic. Its antichrist in attitude. Its divisive. Just like Black Lives Matter would make race relation much worse they had their way.

But, some people with a need to feel they are wise are attracted to such teaching. They become pawns in the spiritual warfare and are tools used to harass Jews.

The irony is. Being a Jew made not much sense to me until after I had the Holy Spirit enter me. As I learned the Bible, I began to first understand why God created the Jewish race. And, why Jesus was born unto the Jews as one of them.

Jesus is going to raise up 144,000 from His people. All Jews. Some Gentiles do get jealous at times because with these gentiles they are a jealous type to begin with. As long as they walk in the flesh they will find false doctrines to appease their desires of their flesh.

As it stands right now? There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

Does that mean those of the tribe of Levi do not count in Christ Jesus?

Its a dumb doctrine. Its a doctrine allowed by God to be presented to reveal the hearts of men. Men who need to repent.

grace and peace.......

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Anti-Semitism has never made any sense to me. We worship a Jew! To turn around and hate His people is totally daft. I asked one once why they hated the Jew---they said because they kilo
led Jesus---I laughed. Said, no they did not---well, who did? You! your great, great, great grandmother and your great, great granddaughter. I did. My mother and father did and yours. He came to die for our sins, we killed Him. That Jew died for us. He just stammered and stuttered and couldn't say anything-----Sick, and ignorant.

mmksparbud said:

Anti-Semitism has never made any sense to me. We worship a Jew! To turn around and hate His people is totally daft. I asked one once why they hated the Jew---they said because they kilo
led Jesus---I laughed. Said, no they did not---well, who did? You! your great, great, great grandmother and your great, great granddaughter. I did. My mother and father did and yours. He came to die for our sins, we killed Him. That Jew died for us. He just stammered and stuttered and couldn't say anything-----Sick, and ignorant.

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Anti-Semitism has never made any sense to me either. As a new born again creatures we are to know no man after the flesh .

1st John informs us as sons of God (believers) which we are what we will be is not known . Neither Jew nor gentile, male nor female.

All flesh of all the nations matter.

Jesus said in John 6 his flesh profits for nothing, zero with those who walk by faith the unseen will of the father . Which Peter agreed with.

Peter said to Jesus. . you have words of eternal life coming from the father .

In that way the 33 year window of opportunity ended when the Son of Man disappeared out of sight.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

It was a one time propmised demonstration. Some Jews as well as gentiles are looking for another.

Its the unseen Spirit of Christ that works in the believer to both will and do the good pleasure of of God that alone matters. We should believe without murmuring

Philipians2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

garee said:

Antisemitism? All born again new life matter. We are lovingly commanded to know no man after the flesh to include a unredeemed Jew. God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form as if he needed something form the clay he forms Christ in.

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What do you think Paul means when he says "we know no one according to the flesh"? You seem to be suggesting that Paul means the literal, physical skin tissue. But that's not what "the flesh" means in St. Paul's thought. The flesh refers to the passions, the base, fallen, sinful disposition of man. Thus when Paul says "we once regarded Christ according to the flesh" He does not mean regarding Christ in His human flesh, but that there was a time when we were unregenerate, and beheld Christ apart from faith, we were estranged from Him, and saw things through the lens of our sinful, fallen, unregenerate disposition. But now, through faith, we behold Christ through faith--as our Lord.

God as the father of a multitude of nations (all) changed the name of Abram "exulted father of one to Abraham the father of all nations.

Abram's mother was a Hittite and father a Amorite (enemies of God) . The Holy Spirt using two as his witness as one united nation to signify all the nations.

Abel the first apostle sent from God was murderer by his faithless brother Cain. Abel a member of the eternal chaste virgin bride the church is also the first recorded martyr . Long before Abraham the father of a multitude of nations was introduced. .

Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

A Jew is not one outwardly in respect to the corrupted flesh of mankind but is one inward born of the Spirit of Christ. If any man(Jew or gentile) has not the inward Spirit of Christ the scriptures informs us then neither do they belong to Him .

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That isn't what Paul means.

Pay closer attention to what Paul is saying in Romans. In the first chapter of Romans Paul begins by speaking of just how "icky" the Gentiles are. He does this because he is drawing his Jewish audience into a false sense of security, but only to flip the script on them,

"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things." - Romans 2:1

The Jewish Christians in Rome could nod in agreement to how the Gentile Pagans were just so bad, but then Paul turns it around, asking them who are they to judge, since they are just as guilty. Why does Paul do this? Because He is getting to a major point of the letter, one we don't get until the third chapter of Romans,

"What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written:

'None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.' 'Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.' 'The venom of asps is under their lips.' 'Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness' 'Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their path is ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.' 'There is no fear of God before their eyes.'" - Romans 3:9-18

In fact we need to keep reading, as the Apostle weaves his thread of thought, concerning the universal problem of sin and thus the universal condemnation of all people under the Law, and that justification comes not by works of the law but through faith, on account of Christ, for all men. And we reach the climax of Paul's line of thought when we read in Romans 11:32 that God has consigned all to disobedience in order that He might show mercy to all.

To all, both Jew and Gentile; for both Jew and Gentile are under sin, condemned under God's righteous Law, and thus neither can stand before God boastful of their righteousness, for they have none. It is only by God's grace, through faith, on Christ's account that any man, Jew or Gentile, can stand justified before God.

That's Romans.

So when Paul speaks that one is not a Jew merely outwardly according to the circumcision of the flesh, but is one inwardly according to the inward circumcision of the heart, he is not saying that non-believing Jews aren't Jews. He's saying to the Jewish Christians in Rome that they have no platform by which to boast before God if they are boasting in their Jewishness, and that without Christ they are no different than the Gentile Pagan which they would judge and condemn as lawless and sinful. Thus Paul humbles the braggart, and lifts up the humble by speaking of sinners are justified before God in Christ--Jew and Gentile. In the Church, simply being Jewish does not gain one some kind of special brownie points, and being Gentile does not make one any lesser as a Christian. Both are one and the same, without Christ without hope; with Christ and with hope. Jew and Gentile stand equally condemned under the Law as being unrighteous; but through the Gospel are saved, for it is the very power of God to save all who believe, Jew and Gentile.

Our non-believing Jewish neighbors are still very much Jewish.
Gentiles, no matter whether believers or non-believers, are Gentiles, not Jewish.

Paul doesn't say that we are all Jewish. But that Jews and Gentiles are on equal footing--as condemned sinners, and as justified saints. That Jewish believers and Gentile believers are both simul iustus et peccator--at once both saint and sinner. Being Jewish doesn't earn one points, being a Gentile doesn't earn one points; being Jewish doesn't make one lesser, being Gentile doesn't make one lesser. We are all the same, sinful human beings who stand under the judgment of the Law in need of the forgiveness, mercy, and salvation that is found in Jesus Christ for all, Jew and Gentile alike, without partiality.

-CryptoLutheran

That isn't what Paul means.

I would offer. There is no way to get around it. Flesh is signified as sinful . Its what the eyes see and touch feels as false pride of a body of death under the judgment . (You shall surely die) If it ages it is leading towards returning to the dust.

It is our unseen Holy Father who gave us a new spirit and the promise of a incorruptible body that will not die. All flesh matters in that way as to whether it is redeemed or not. .

Can't separate Jewish flesh from mankind as if God was served by Jewish flesh as human hands and we worshiped the things seen the creature and not the unseen things of God the Faithfull Creator who is not a man.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Yes all flesh was corrupted the whole creation is dying leading toward the new heavens and earth on the last day under the Sun .

When God corrupted the whole creation . He did not set aside Jewish flesh and say it will not die its not icky..

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.


Pay closer attention to what Paul is saying in Romans. In the first chapter of Romans Paul begins by speaking of just how "icky" the Gentiles are. He does this because he is drawing his Jewish audience into a false sense of security, but only to flip the script on them,

"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things." - Romans 2:1

First its not Paul speaking. Paul as a apostle was given words from the unseen Father that he put on Paul's lips just as with Jesus, the Son of man.

Apostle simply means sent one and not the added meaning that someone added .for some odd reason or other. . . (venerable one).Making the original "sent one" without effect.

Christians venerate or hallow the unseen Spirit of Christ, the one Holy Spirt of God. Not sinful fleshly mankind.

Flesh is not considered icky but is considered dead powerless with no faith that could please our unseen eternal God . Not little faith. . none.

In that way I am not judging flesh. its his judgement against all flesh and blood.

We do not wrestle against it and neither are we supported or strengthened by the temporal things seen. Again in that way we know no man after the flesh to include the flesh of the Son of man, Jesus in whom the father as eternal God dwelt in. Jesus did not do the will of his flesh . He said it profits for zero. And therefore he refused to be called the one good Master our Lord God.

Jesus the Son of man the is first born of promise of the brothers, sisters and mothers called the brethren (not first born of the fathers ) We are commanded to call no man Holy father on earth. One is our Holy Father in heavens .

Jesus the chief apostle would never stand in the Holy place of His Father that worked his will in the Son of man to both will and empower Jesus do the Father's own good pleasure of God.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

imge said:

The 10 Commandments and Sabbath is for all man. Jesus died on the cross for all of us, but wants us to keep His Commandments (Gods Law) and obey and worship Him.
John 14:15 15"If you love me, keep my commands.

Revelation 14:12 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.



1) Adam and Eve were not Jewish. “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it” (Genesis 2:3) before sin entered. “Sanctified” means “to be set apart for holy use.” The only ones in the Garden of Eden for whom the Sabbath was “set apart” were Adam and Eve, who weren’t Jewish.

2) “The Sabbath was made for man.” Mark 2:27. Jesus said this. It was “made” in the Garden of Eden before it was “written” down on Mount Sinai. The Sabbath was “made” for “man,” not just Jews.

3) The other nine commandments are not “just for Jews.” God wrote “Ten Commandments” on stone, not just nine (See Deut. 4:12, 13; Ex. 20). Does “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” and “Do not bear false witness” apply only to Jews?

4) “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Exodus 20:10. God calls the Sabbath, “my holy day.” Isaiah 58:13. The Bible never calls it “the Sabbath of the Jews.” It isn’t their Sabbath, but God’s.

5) The Sabbath commandment is for the “stranger” too. The fourth commandment itself says the “stranger” is to rest on the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10. “Strangers” are non-Jews, or Gentiles. Thus the Sabbath applies to them too. Read also Isaiah 56:6.

6) Isaiah said Gentiles should keep the Sabbath. “Also the sons of the stranger … every one that keeps the Sabbath … for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people .” Isaiah 56:6, 7. Thus the Sabbath is for Gentiles and “all people,” not just for Jews.

7) “All” mankind will keep the Sabbath in the New Earth. In “the new earth … from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the Lord.” Isaiah 66:22, 23. Here God says that “all flesh” we will be keeping the Sabbath in “the new earth.” If this is the case – and it is – shouldn’t we start now?

8) Gentiles kept the Sabbath in the Book of Acts. “The Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath … Paul and Barnabas … persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.”‘ Acts 13:42, 43. Here saved-by-grace Gentiles kept the Sabbath (see also verse 44).

9) “The law” [of Ten Commandments] is for “all the world,” not just for Jews. Paul wrote these words. Read Romans 2:17-23; 3:19, 23.

10) Luke was a Gentile who kept the Sabbath. Luke was the only Gentile who wrote any New Testament books (he wrote The Gospel According to St. Luke and The Acts of the Apostles). Luke traveled with Paul and wrote, “On the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side.” Acts 16:13. It was the seventh-day Sabbath, the memorial of the creation (see Ex. 20:11). Both Luke and Paul knew it.

Take from https://www.whitehorsemedia.com/ten-reasons-why-the-sabbath-is-not-jewish

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The Ten Commandments, also known as Aseret HaDibrot (“Ten Sayings” in Hebrew) or Decalogue, are the first ten of the 613 commandments given by God to the Jewish people. They form the foundation of Jewish ethics, as well as civil and religious law.

Major1 said:

The Ten Commandments, also known as Aseret HaDibrot (“Ten Sayings” in Hebrew) or Decalogue, are the first ten of the 613 commandments given by God to the Jewish people. They form the foundation of Jewish ethics, as well as civil and religious law.

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I was under the impression (or possible misapprehension) that the 613 Talmudic commandments were to a large extent extrapolated from the ten commandments, as opposed to being additional commandments in their own right.

Also note that Karaite Jews do not follow those 613 commandments, as they reject the Talmud and have only the text of what we Christians call the Old Testament.

JackRT said:

There is evidence of Judaism being present in China as late as the 19th and possibly 20th centuries. Judaism is a very tenacious faith, much more so than any other I know of.

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Actually the presence of Judaism in China is well known, and relates to the Aramaic-speaking trade routes across Asia which the Apostle Thomas and his disciples Addai and Mari followed. St. Thomas was famously martyred in India for spreading Christianity there, and indeed the world’s oldest extant cathedral is in India. The Kochin Jews are also still there. By means of the same ancient trade routes, the Church of the East expanded at least as far as Mongolia and Tibet, initially going wherever there were Syriac / Aramaic speaking merchants, and then evangelizing the locals. Then the evil Muslim despot Tamerlane decided to kill the Christians wherever he could find them, and as a result the Church of the East was reduced to Iraq, Iran, India and Sri Lanka (around the same time, the Assyrian Christian community on the island of Socotra, in present day Yemen, also fell victim to genocide).

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I was under the impression (or possible misapprehension) that the 613 Talmudic commandments were to a large extent extrapolated from the ten commandments, as opposed to being additional commandments in their own right.

Also note that Karaite Jews do not follow those 613 commandments, as they reject the Talmud and have only the text of what we Christians call the Old Testament.

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I am certainly no expert on your question, however I did find this.............
"There is no biblical reference to 613 commandments, although the later rabbinic leaders claimed that all 613 commandments are alluded to within the Ten Commandments. The first actual reference to 613 commandments is found in a lengthy Talmudic passage. There, Rabbi Simlai (third century A.D.) is quoted as saying, “Six hundred and thirteen precepts were communicated to Moses, three hundred and sixty-five negative precepts, …and two hundred and forty-eight positive precepts…” (b. Makkot 23b-24a Based on this comment, medieval Jewish scholars, sought to come to agreement as to the exact enumeration and delineation of the 613 commandments, since there is a good deal of ambiguity in counting."
Are There Really 613 Commandments in the Torah?.

pescador said:

Is there a Jewish covenant? Covenants are not ethnic; they are contracts.

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to borrow a statement I've read: Contracts say this is yours and this is mine. Covenants say I am yours and you are Mine.

This warped view of Covanent is one of the reasons protestants have a skewed view of salvation.