Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

BNR32FAN said:

It doesn’t wipe out God’s commandments it is evidence that Jesus and the apostles condemned taking God’s name in vain.

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And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
- Mark 2:27


And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
- Mark 6:2

And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
- Mark 15:42

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
- Luke 4:1

And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
- Luke 6:6

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:42

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
- Acts 13:44

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
- Acts 18:4

imge said:

Makes little sense they are referring to the weekly Sabbath when Jesus kept the Sabbath and it's not a shadow. Hebrew 4:9 Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people and Isiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another,And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

God Bless

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I never said keeping the Sabbath was forbidden and from one Sabbath to another could be a reference to Sunday worship.

imge said:

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
- Mark 2:27


And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
- Mark 6:2

And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
- Mark 15:42

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I don’t see the relevance here. Yes the Sabbath was made to give man rest so that no one could force man to work 7 days a week not even slaves. Still noting in the entire scriptures indicate that man cannot worship on Sunday. 6 days you shall work and on the 7th rest. Every time Jesus was confronted with the laws He always referred to the purpose of the law. Sunday worship still keeps the purpose of the law in every aspect.

BNR32FAN said:

“"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:8-11‬ ‭NASB

Sunday is still honoring the Sabbath.

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??? What Bible does it say that?

imge said:

??? What Bible does it say that?

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Exodus 20 doesn’t say the 7th day of the week.

BNR32FAN said:

I don’t see the relevance here. Yes the Sabbath was made to give man rest so that no one could force man to work 7 days a week not even slaves. Still noting in the entire scriptures indicate that man cannot worship on Sunday. 6 days you shall work and on the 7th rest. Every time Jesus was confronted with the laws He always referred to the purpose of the law. Sunday worship still keeps the purpose of the law in every aspect.

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Please re-read the 4th commandment. The seventh day Saturday is the day God Blessed, made Holy, Sanctified, and asked us to Remember. Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath. Please show me in the Bible where Sunday is a day the Lord Blessed or made Holy or kept as an example for us to follow.

BNR32FAN said:

Exodus 20 doesn’t say the 7th day of the week.

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From your own quote (I prefer the NKJV)

“"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:8-11‬ ‭NASB

imge said:

Please re-read the 4th commandment. The seventh day Saturday is the day God Blessed, made Holy, Sanctified, and asked us to Remember. Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath. Please show me in the Bible where Sunday is a day the Lord Blessed or made Holy or kept as an example for us to follow.

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Im not here to argue that point. Sunday is not referred to as The Lord’s day in the scriptures although Paul did often meet on Sunday. My point is that the Holy Spirit abolished a commandment of God and communicated that abolishment thru the apostles at the first ecumenical council and this happened again at Nicaea when they determined that Sunday worship is acceptable. I feel like I’ve also successfully established that it was the church established by the apostles who wrote and determined the inspired scriptures and have preserved them since it’s establishment. Furthermore I’ve also established that no church before Ellen White taught the necessity of the Saturday Sabbath for salvation except for Judaism. In accordance with Matthew 16:18 the church has not fallen to the gates of hell it has in fact prevailed throughout the centuries Just as Jesus foretold it would. If you believe that the church fell away at Nicaea you must give evidence of a church that kept Christ’s teachings from the apostolic era up until today otherwise Matthew 16:18 is a false statement.

BNR32FAN said:

Where is it written in any of my posts that I claimed the Pharisees followed the laws of God? They were hypocrites who pretended to keep His laws but inwardly they were wicked and greedy. Judaizers were Christians who taught that the Mosaic law must also be kept in order to receive salvation. No Jesus was not a Judaizer because he did not keep the Mosaic law.

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Yes, God's Laws given to Moses for the people were made to expose and condemn greed, selfishness and pride which dwells in all humans. And Also to define God's Definition of Holy, Just and Good. The Pharisees had created their own religion, with their own high days, and Sabbaths. This was not a "Mosaic" law they created and promoted. I don't know where you came up with the religious philosophy that Moses had a separate law Jesus didn't keep.

He became our Prophesied High Priest and therefore didn't didn't continue in the Old Priesthood and "works" of the Priesthood Covenant given exclusively to Levi. But HE walked in the Laws God gave to Moses. To preach otherwise goes against the very reason He qualified to pay your death penalty in the first place.

As it is written;

Ph. 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

We are to have this same mind in us, like the many examples of Faith the Christ had written for our admonition had.

He did not stone the adulterous woman or rebuke His apostles who were picking grain on the Sabbath. Jesus knew the difference between God’s commandments and the Mosaic law. The Mosaic law has many stipulations that were added in order to coincide with God’s commandments.

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But the Adulterous woman was already stoned to death, Spiritually Speaking, just as Paul was Spiritually stoned to death by the Congregation of the Lord.

Rom. 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, (Who gave him the commandment?) sin revived, and I died.

The Adulterous woman was already dead and would never recover from this condition until she did one thing.

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

So this woman, just like in the examples God had written for our admonition, was still in Egypt, dead in her sins and trespasses, held in the Bondage of sin and deception. But while she was still in Egypt, (SIN Symbolically) The Lamb of God's Blood was shed for her, as Prophesied. Her past sins were atoned for by the same Christ's Blood that atoned for my sins. And what was the Gospel of this Christ's message to the Examples in the Law and Prophets?

Duet. 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

And what did Jesus, this same Christ in Human form tell the adulterous woman?

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Same Gospel, same Christ.

I'm not sure where you get your whole "Mosaic Law" religious philosophy. But i would return to the Word of God for instruction in righteousness if I were you.

They added interpretations to better define God’s commandments like for example what is considered to be work on the Sabbath? What they considered to be work was much more restricting than what God has originally intended.

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This sounds very nice, like the mainstream preachers of that time were just really wanting to please their God. But your version of events doesn't reflect what the Scriptures teach about them.

Ez. 20:15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands;

16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.

Matt. 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


I don't know where you get your information about the mainstream preachers of HIS Time, but your philosophy regarding them is certainly different than the Christ's.

It was never against God to take a walk on the sabbath and pick a strawberry along the way. God didn't command this and Moses only furthered God's Law, not his own as did the Pharisees.

Jesus walked in the "Way of the Lord" as it was His Way to begin with. This "way" includes Sabbaths and Laws which define how to Love God and how to Love each other.

Religious man has always worked to belittle God's Laws and promote their own religious philosophy. This is why we are "Deny" our self and follow Jesus on the path HE walked, in the "Good Works" God before ordained that we should walk in them.

As the Mind of Christ inspired Jeremiah to teach us;

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

As it is to this day.

BNR32FAN said:

Im not here to argue that point. Sunday is not referred to as The Lord’s day in the scriptures although did often meet on Sunday. My point is that the Holy Spirit abolished a commandment of God and communicated that abolishment thru the apostles at the first ecumenical council and this happened again at Nicaea when they determined that Sunday worship is acceptable. I feel like I’ve also successfully established that it was the church established by the apostles who wrote and determined the inspired scriptures and have preserved them since it’s establishment. Furthermore I’ve also established that no church before Ellen White taught the necessity of the Saturday Sabbath for salvation except for Judaism. In accordance with Matthew 16:18 the church has not fallen to the gates of hell it has in fact prevailed throughout the centuries Just as Jesus foretold it would. If you believe that the church fell away at Nicaea you must give evidence of a church that kept Christ’s teachings from the apostolic era up until today otherwise Matthew 16:18 is a false statement.

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I'm going to take God's word, written by His own hand over any church, because changing God's Holy day, the day He asked us to Remember (opposite of forget) is not something Biblical.

Since you reference Ellen White so much, you should consider reading some of her books. She loved the Lord with all her heart and it shines though in her writings. Steps to Christ is a great place to start. You quote you would trust the Church (Catholic) over Ellen White. Lets look at the life of Ellen White, she married one man, stayed married until death, her children grew up to love the Lord. Lets look at the Catholic Church- predicted in the Bible laws would change which they did- compare the Catholic 10 commandants to the commandments of God. They changed Gods Holy day to a day that suited them better and the history of the church is questionable when you compare it to how Jesus lived as an example.

Ellen White was a meek girl of 17 when she started writing (writings well beyond her years) She followed the Bible and the Bible says the meek will inherit the world, so yes since Ellen White writes about keeping the integrity of the laws of God than I would believe and listen to her over the church who felt superior to God to change His Holy Day, the day He asked us to Remember.

Studyman said:

Yes, God's Laws given to Moses for the people were made to expose and condemn greed, selfishness and pride which dwells in all humans. And Also to define God's Definition of Holy, Just and Good. The Pharisees had created their own religion, with their own high days, and Sabbaths. This was not a "Mosaic" law they created and promoted. I don't know where you came up with the religious philosophy that Moses had a separate law Jesus didn't keep.

He became our Prophesied High Priest and therefore didn't didn't continue in the Old Priesthood and "works" of the Priesthood Covenant given exclusively to Levi. But HE walked in the Laws God gave to Moses. To preach otherwise goes against the very reason He qualified to pay your death penalty in the first place.

As it is written;

Ph. 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

We are to have this same mind in us, like the many examples of Faith the Christ had written for our admonition had.



But the Adulterous woman was already stoned to death, Spiritually Speaking, just as Paul was Spiritually stoned to death by the Congregation of the Lord.

Rom. 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, (Who gave him the commandment?) sin revived, and I died.

The Adulterous woman was already dead and would never recover from this condition until she did one thing.

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

So this woman, just like in the examples God had written for our admonition, was still in Egypt, dead in her sins and trespasses, held in the Bondage of sin and deception. But while she was still in Egypt, (SIN Symbolically) The Lamb of God's Blood was shed for her, as Prophesied. Her past sins were atoned for by the same Christ's Blood that atoned for my sins. And what was the Gospel of this Christ's message to the Examples in the Law and Prophets?

Duet. 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

And what did Jesus, this same Christ in Human form tell the adulterous woman?

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Same Gospel, same Christ.

I'm not sure where you get your whole "Mosaic Law" religious philosophy. But i would return to the Word of God for instruction in righteousness if I were you.



This sounds very nice, like the mainstream preachers of that time were just really wanting to please their God. But your version of events doesn't reflect what the Scriptures teach about them.

Ez. 20:15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands;

16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.

Matt. 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


I don't know where you get your information about the mainstream preachers of HIS Time, but your philosophy regarding them is certainly different than the Christ's.

It was never against God to take a walk on the sabbath and pick a strawberry along the way. God didn't command this and Moses only furthered God's Law, not his own as did the Pharisees.

Jesus walked in the "Way of the Lord" as it was His Way to begin with. This "way" includes Sabbaths and Laws which define how to Love God and how to Love each other.

Religious man has always worked to belittle God's Laws and promote their own religious philosophy. This is why we are "Deny" our self and follow Jesus on the path HE walked, in the "Good Works" God before ordained that we should walk in them.

As the Mind of Christ inspired Jeremiah to teach us;

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

As it is to this day.

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The laws concerning picking grain on the Sabbath were defined by the Levites when the Mosaic laws were written. These were not additions that were later implemented. They were inaccurately interpreted and defined from day one. Jesus did not adhere to this inaccurately defined law because it was not what God had intended when He gave the commandment regarding the Sabbath. Hence Jesus kept God’s commandments but not the Mosaic law because it was inaccurately defined.

BNR32FAN said:

I would not disagree with this at all this makes very good sense because obviously the list of things they are to abstain from are not the only commandments they must adhere to. But my point still stands that God did undoubtedly command that Gentiles living among the Jews must be circumcised and the Holy Spirit did undoubtedly abolish that commandment God gave in Genesis 17. The result of Acts 15 was the commandment concerning circumcision for Gentiles was abolished. I’m not saying the Sabbath was abolished in Acts 15 I never said that. I said that James did not declare that the Gentiles must keep the Sabbath in Acts 15 or anywhere else in the scriptures. Clefty keeps saying that James also told the Gentiles they must keep the Sabbath according to Acts 15:23 which is incorrect. That is not what James said in that verse.

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Brother, known was the coming of Jesus to replace the shadows that pointed to the new realities after Jesus' death in the cross. These replacements do not take anything away from the law, they only make the law more glorious. The circumcision did not go away, it only took its reality with Jesus. Now, circumcision is no longer of the flesh by humans, but of the heart by God. Harmonization takes Jesus' statement seriously. No change to any of God's laws "until heaven and earth disappear", when His plan includes "a new heaven and a new earth" in Revelation 21. We are now circumcised in the heart by God and no longer by humans in the flesh. The circumcision continues in its most glorious reality after Jesus' death on the cross.


United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

BNR32FAN said:

“Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

The next statement is saying why they should abstain from these things.

For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath."”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:19-21‬ ‭NASB

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HALLELUYAH...BRAVO...yes EXACTLY...the next statement IS INDEED saying WHY they need to do W,X,Y and Z

because

FOR MOSES is read in the synagogues every Sabbath...

if they did NOT want to meet IN THE SYNAGOGUES EVERY SABBATH they would NOT HAVE TO DO W,X,Y and Z...

but they DID WANT TO...unlike you and your rebellion since 2nd century on...

Acts 14:42..."the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath." NOTICE THAT?...the Gentiles did NOT beg to hear these words the next day SUNDAY when Gentiles met to celebrate the resurrection or even at mid week bible studies...but gentiles begged to hear them the NEXT SABBATH...

unlike you/yours since 2nd century

"44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God."

BTW "Antioch, in Paul's time, was the third city of the Roman empire, and contained over 200,000 inhabitants. " so maybe Luke exaggerated? doesn't matter... the issue is that UNLIKE YOU and the many many many like you since 2nd century...here in Acts 13 MANY MANY Gentiles NOT of Jacob came the next Sabbath...and to hear MORE than Moses...

"45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul"

hmmm....jealousy?...maybe Paul remembered this enmity Jews had for Greeks writing Romans 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.

might be the jealousy of some even today...of those meeting Sabbath to Sabbath?

Obviously these were not the only commandments the Gentiles must adhere to

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you would be surprised at how NOT bobvious this is...

and my point is not that James has abolished the necessity of the Sabbath here nor refraining from adultery, sexual immorality, lies, murder etc. one thing is clear tho James is not telling them they must keep the Sabbath in this statement. He’s telling them why they must abstain from these things listed.

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WHY they must abstain from these things listed IS EXACTLY to hear the Word of Yah...

had Gentiles met on another day or elsewhere they would NOT have to do W,X,Y, and Z...

which ALAS gentiles discovered they could do...much later AFTER this first century its "the Way"...and ever since...Jews rebuilt the middle wall of division and restored their enmity of the dirty goyim...and in repsonse the gentiles ALSO rebuilt the middle wall of division and separated what Yahushua had joined...despite "what Yah has made ONE let NO man separate"...

the popularity of anti semitism only increasing as MORE AND MORE gentiles wished to divorce themselves of all things "Jewish"...despite it was given to Israel including those NOT OF JACOB...His people...

BNR32FAN said:

I was referring to Exodus 20:16
“"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.”
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bare false witness?...for days now you insist the Sabbath is NOT for YOU...and that it was changed...and nobody else plays that way

"you're like the kid who hates the rules of the very game he is playing..." what's the game?

the game is "WWJD?"

so which rule do you not like? His seventh day Sabbath...

"always insisting "UNFAIR!"" and you have for days claimed Christendom itself plays the TRUE way...and we aren't being fair this seventh day Sabbath way...

"wishing to change them by popular vote" your biggest appeal is that this minority view is NOT POPULAR...and the popular MAJORITY is...cuz it's easier or more funner or for whatever reason...

" and then resenting those who remember the original ones..." and well the discussion continues...

unless someone comes and stops it

or someone runs home and takes his ball with him...lol

BNR32FAN said:

I don’t see the relevance here. Yes the Sabbath was made to give man rest so that no one could force man to work 7 days a week not even slaves. Still noting in the entire scriptures indicate that man cannot worship on Sunday. 6 days you shall work and on the 7th rest. Every time Jesus was confronted with the laws He always referred to the purpose of the law. Sunday worship still keeps the purpose of the law in every aspect.

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oh my...in every respect? except I have RARELY met one who keeps the WHOLE SUNDAY holy...

the purpose of the Law was to remind Israel of creation its Creator...six days work and then rest...but Sundays BEGIN the week with rest...or its EVERY day rest is the more popular claim

Oh and Sunday celebrates the resurrection...which His occurred the day prior...Sabbaths are healing and REFRESHING...

and after resting in the tomb that first day of the New Covenant Age...just like Adam rested his first full day of the Adamic covenant...the Second Adam rose refreshed in time for the festival of First Fruits

both Adams received their rest unearned and undeserved...

Sunday misses all this...

guevaraj said:

Brother, known was the coming of Jesus to replace the shadows that pointed to the new realities after Jesus' death in the cross. These replacements do not take anything away from the law, they only make the law more glorious. The circumcision did not go away, it only took its reality with Jesus. Now, circumcision is no longer of the flesh by humans, but of the heart by God. Harmonization takes Jesus' statement seriously. No change to any of God's laws "until heaven and earth disappear", when His plan includes "a new heaven and a new earth" in Revelation 21. We are now circumcised in the heart by God and no longer by humans in the flesh. The circumcision continues in its most glorious reality after Jesus' death on the cross.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

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and some of us memorialize the shadows STILL...the yearly showtimes of His calendar...

amplifying and edifying His intent to make us His and NOT of this world its times and laws...but His times and Law

HalleluYah

BNR32FAN said:

Im not here to argue that point. Sunday is not referred to as The Lord’s day in the scriptures although did often meet on Sunday. My point is that the Holy Spirit abolished a commandment of God and communicated that abolishment thru the apostles at the first ecumenical council and this happened again at Nicaea when they determined that Sunday worship is acceptable. I feel like I’ve also successfully established that it was the church established by the apostles who wrote and determined the inspired scriptures and have preserved them since it’s establishment. Furthermore I’ve also established that no church before Ellen White taught the necessity of the Saturday Sabbath for salvation except for Judaism. In accordance with Matthew 16:18 the church has not fallen to the gates of hell it has in fact prevailed throughout the centuries Just as Jesus foretold it would. If you believe that the church fell away at Nicaea you must give evidence of a church that kept Christ’s teachings from the apostolic era up until today otherwise Matthew 16:18 is a false statement.

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Acts 5:27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,

28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

This is why Peter sent the New Converts to hear Moses, and led them away from the mainstream preachers of his time.

Just as Jesus instructed him to do in Matthew 23.

1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they (Religious leaders of that time, not God as many preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

It is no wonder that Peter led the gentiles away from the mainstream religions of his time in Acts 15, and directed them to Moses instead.

Peter would have never even attended the Council of Nicaea who simply continued the religious traditions of the mainstream preachers of his time. That is, religions centered around temples made with wood and stone, and images of God created in the likeness of men, with their own high days and sabbaths, which has shown to influence the economies of entire nations of this world to this day.

Religions we have all been warned of if we would believe all that is written.

Is. 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

11 Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the LORD.

And again;

2 cor. 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

And again.

Rev. 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

I am so grateful that a nobody like me can see this Elephant in the room, the same Elephant the mainstream preachers of Peter's time could not see, and I pray that others might consider this obvious "other voice" in the garden so they can also "deny themselves" and follow Jesus on the path "before ordained by God that we should walk in them".

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Spirit and truth, not hundreds and thousands of temples made of wood and stone created by religious men who all preach a different Gospel than the Christ taught, but all agree that most of God's Laws are no longer relevant.

The same thing the serpent convinced Eve of in the very first recorded deception.

BNR32FAN said:

The laws concerning picking grain on the Sabbath were defined by the Levites when the Mosaic laws were written. These were not additions that were later implemented. They were inaccurately interpreted and defined from day one. Jesus did not adhere to this inaccurately defined law because it was not what God had intended when He gave the commandment regarding the Sabbath. Hence Jesus kept God’s commandments but not the Mosaic law because it was inaccurately defined.

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That is your religious philosophy. But not the Christ's.

Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 32:26)

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

This is the reason for our disagreement. You are promoting doctrines about the Jews that is not from the Word of God, but from the religious philosophies of religious men.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

Caleb, Gideon, Rehab, Joshua, Zecharias, Simeon, Anna, the entire list of the examples of Faith did not "Mis-interpret" God's Sabbath Commandment. I don't know where your teaching comes from. Can you provide Scriptural evidence to support your religious philosophy that the Levites misinterpreted God's Sabbath from day one??

clefty said:

bare false witness?...for days now you insist the Sabbath is NOT for YOU...and that it was changed...and nobody else plays that way

"you're like the kid who hates the rules of the very game he is playing..." what's the game?

the game is "WWJD?"

so which rule do you not like? His seventh day Sabbath...

"always insisting "UNFAIR!"" and you have for days claimed Christendom itself plays the TRUE way...and we aren't being fair this seventh day Sabbath way...

"wishing to change them by popular vote" your biggest appeal is that this minority view is NOT POPULAR...and the popular MAJORITY is...cuz it's easier or more funner or for whatever reason...

" and then resenting those who remember the original ones..." and well the discussion continues...

unless someone comes and stops it

or someone runs home and takes his ball with him...lol

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What grade are you in? I’ve never said anything about unfair, I never said anything about popular or minority view, and I’ve never resented a single person who honors the Saturday Sabbath. All of these are unnecessary, slanderous remarks, baring false witness against me in a childish temper tantrum fashion. Just focus on the discussion and leave out all the childish name calling and false accusations so we can have a more civilized adult conversation like everyone else here.

Studyman said:

Peter would have never even attended the Council of Nicaea who simply continued the religious traditions of the mainstream preachers of his time. That is, religions centered around temples made with wood and stone, and images of God created in the likeness of men, with their own high days and sabbaths, which has shown to influence the economies of entire nations of this world to this day.

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You have no idea what your talking about. Your referring to the RCC which was doing none of those things at that time in Nicaea and was excommunicated from the Catholic Church in 1054AD. So anything they’ve done after 1054AD has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. Your following a Judiazer cult established by a woman 157 years ago.