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Amen. Thankfully there are no former Christians. Christ rescued me from Mormonism.


Titus 3:5, NLT: "he saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit."
Members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter day Saints believe in LOVING Jesus Christ by keeping His commandments. We desire to have the LOVE of Jesus Christ and His Father:

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
 
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Members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter day Saints believe in LOVING Jesus Christ by keeping His commandments. We desire to have the LOVE of Jesus Christ and His Father:

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Your jesus is not ours. Joseph Smith called our God a monster.
 
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Your jesus is not ours. Joseph Smith called our God a monster.
Bur you believe that all three are of the same substance. That is strange. Jesus had a different depiction:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 24)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

They are one in glory and perfection, NOT substance.
 
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The BoM teaches that because of teachings removed from the Bible "an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them..."

That quote comes from Satan, the father of lies.

God says:
2 Timothy 3:15-17
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Thanks for letting me know that statement was by Satan. What other popular proof texts from LDS Scriptures did Satan speak? thanks, daniel
 
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Satan teaches that once saved always saved. The Bible teaches that a person must endure to the end to be saved. People can lose their salvation:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:11 - 22)

11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Where does it say that the "natural brute beasts" were ever saved in the first place?
 
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For years I listened to your church members and leaders reject God's word and twist it to suit their agenda. If Mormons actually loved our God, they would love and obey the Bible and acknowledge Christ's payment for our sins.



Mormon scripture says:
Doctrine and Covenants 130:3
3 John 14:23—The appearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false.

(Mormons teach that only worthy LDS have the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost, and only Melchizedek Priesthood holders can give the Gift of the Holy Ghost to a person baptized into Mormonism.)

The Mormon "holy ghost" isn't real, can be in only one place at a time, and therefore cannot be IN Mormons. Mormons delete words from the Bible.:sob:

Did Satan or the Devil say, Doctrine and Covenants 130:3?
 
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You said: "Christ holds us. Who can overcome His power? Who?"

Do not for one minute underestimate the power of Satan:

(New Testament | Hebrews 6:4 - 6)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

He is doing his best to get people to return to sin:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:20 - 22)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Keeping the commandments of LOVE is the way to know God:

(New Testament | 1 John 4:6 - 8)

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Berean Literal Bible
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because the One in you is greater than the one in the world.

Good News Translation
But you belong to God, my children, and have defeated the false prophets, because the Spirit who is in you is more powerful than the spirit in those who belong to the world.

1 John 4:4
Expanded Bible
4 ·My dear children [2:1], you ·belong to [L are from] God and have ·defeated [conquered; overcome] them [C the antichrists/false teachers]; because ·God’s Spirit, who is in you, is greater than the devil, who is in the world [L that which is in you is greater than that which is in the world].

1 John 4:4-6
The Message
4-6 My dear children, you come from God and belong to God. You have already won a big victory over those false teachers, for the Spirit in you is far stronger than anything in the world. These people belong to the Christ-denying world. They talk the world’s language and the world eats it up. But we come from God and belong to God. Anyone who knows God understands us and listens. The person who has nothing to do with God will, of course, not listen to us. This is another test for telling the Spirit of Truth from the spirit of deception.

1 John 4:4
New Century Version
4 My dear children, you belong to God and have defeated them; because God’s Spirit, who is in you, is greater than the devil, who is in the world.




1 John 4:4
You are from God, little children, and you have defeated these people because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
 
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(New Testament | Acts 20:29 - 35)

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
(New Testament | Titus 1:16)

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The "if it were possible" means it is not.
 
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Bur you believe that all three are of the same substance. That is strange. Jesus had a different depiction:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 24)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

They are one in glory and perfection, NOT substance.

"As if in this way also one were not All, in that All are of One, by unity (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons— the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost: three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in substance, but in form; not in power, but in aspect; yet of one substance, and of one condition, and of one power, inasmuch as He is one God, from whom these degrees and forms and aspects are reckoned, under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. How they are susceptible of number without division, will be shown as our treatise proceeds."
CHURCH FATHERS: Against Praxeas (Tertullian)

My wife will be home soon, thus you all will have to read on starting at chapter 3.
 
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Jesus is said to be “the very image” of the Father’s substance (Hebrews 1:3). Of the word “image” (Greek charakter), W. E. Vine observed:

In the New Testament it is used metaphorically in Heb. 1:3, of the Son of God as ‘the very image (marg. – the impress) of His substance,’ RV. The phrase expresses the fact that the Son is both personally distinct from, and yet literally equal to Him of whose essence He is the adequate imprint (1940, 247).
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The Biblical Doctrine of the Godhead
 
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Where does it say that the "natural brute beasts" were ever saved in the first place?
They aren't, neither should false precepts be taught:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 
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Berean Literal Bible
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because the One in you is greater than the one in the world.

Good News Translation
But you belong to God, my children, and have defeated the false prophets, because the Spirit who is in you is more powerful than the spirit in those who belong to the world.

1 John 4:4
Expanded Bible
4 ·My dear children [2:1], you ·belong to [L are from] God and have ·defeated [conquered; overcome] them [C the antichrists/false teachers]; because ·God’s Spirit, who is in you, is greater than the devil, who is in the world [L that which is in you is greater than that which is in the world].

1 John 4:4-6
The Message
4-6 My dear children, you come from God and belong to God. You have already won a big victory over those false teachers, for the Spirit in you is far stronger than anything in the world. These people belong to the Christ-denying world. They talk the world’s language and the world eats it up. But we come from God and belong to God. Anyone who knows God understands us and listens. The person who has nothing to do with God will, of course, not listen to us. This is another test for telling the Spirit of Truth from the spirit of deception.

1 John 4:4
New Century Version
4 My dear children, you belong to God and have defeated them; because God’s Spirit, who is in you, is greater than the devil, who is in the world.




1 John 4:4
You are from God, little children, and you have defeated these people because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
It is necessary to overcome the world:

(New Testament | 1 John 5:1 - 5)

1 WHOSOEVER believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
 
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"As if in this way also one were not All, in that All are of One, by unity (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons— the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost: three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in substance, but in form; not in power, but in aspect; yet of one substance, and of one condition, and of one power, inasmuch as He is one God, from whom these degrees and forms and aspects are reckoned, under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. How they are susceptible of number without division, will be shown as our treatise proceeds."
CHURCH FATHERS: Against Praxeas (Tertullian)

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Unity and substance do not have the same meaning. Do you believe that all Christians are of the same substance?
 
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Unity and substance do not have the same meaning. Do you believe that all Christians are of the same substance?
All humans are made from a like created substance. God is not created.
 
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Thanks for letting me know that statement was by Satan. What other popular proof texts from LDS Scriptures did Satan speak? thanks, daniel
I don't know if I was clear:


Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 13
29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it[Bible] goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.

1 Nephi 13
 
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All humans are made from a like created substance. God is not created.
God said that humans are made from the dust of the earth. Jesus Christ was formed in the womb and born to Mary. He is the only begotten Son of God the Father. He and the Father are one in unity, glory, and perfection. He died and was the firs fruits of those who slept and has a resurrected spiritual body of flesh and bones.
 
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Unity and substance do not have the same meaning. Do you believe that all Christians are of the same substance?

" unity (that is) of substance" is not saying they have the same meaning.


substance noun

sub·stance | \ ˈsəb-stən(t)s \
Definition of substance
1a: essential nature : ESSENCE
b: a fundamental or characteristic part or quality
...
2a: ultimate reality that underlies all outward manifestations and change
b: practical importance : MEANING, USEFULNESS
the … bill—which will be without substance in the sense that it will authorize nothing more than a set of ideas
— Richard Reeves
3a: physical material from which something is made or which has discrete existence
b: matter of particular or definite chemical constitution
c: something (such as drugs or alcoholic beverages) deemed harmful and usually subject to legal restriction
possession of a controlled substance
substance abuse
4: material possessions : PROPERTY
a family of substance
Definition of SUBSTANCE

Definition of 'of substance'
of substance
PHRASE
A person of substance has a lot of money, power, or influence.
[formal]
...mature men of substance.

Of substance definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

SYNONYMS FOR of substance
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crucial
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great
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of note
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Synonyms of of substance | Thesaurus.com
 
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All humans are made from a like created substance. God is not created.

For encouragement to all, God sustains all things that is holds all things together --- just like Jesus does.
 
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God said that humans are made from the dust of the earth. Jesus Christ was formed in the womb and born to Mary. He is the only begotten Son of God the Father. He and the Father are one in unity, glory, and perfection. He died and was the firs fruits of those who slept and has a resurrected spiritual body of flesh and bones.

Dust just like all living mammals contains Carbon, thus Jesus would also contain Carbon.

I am dead tired tonight, so if I said something od, that is why.

I am dealing with another round of the virus. I lost count.
 
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