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Quoting yourself and adding to it? I'm sorry, I dont follow. God Bless.
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1. Catholic - The whole church is Catholic when God is with us, denomination or not.
2. Roman Catholic - The Roman Catholic Church is a Christian church based in Italy.
Catholicism defined.... adjective - Broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal, universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all, pertaining to the whole Christian body or church.
An example of the church Catholic.... Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. - 1 Corinthians 1:10
Lk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
kingdom shall not end!
matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Where is the word catholic first used?
Around 110 AD
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Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid." CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle to the Smyrnaeans (St. Ignatius)
To those who I give the challenge to, above is an example of a proper answer: a Quote showing in context and link for others to check the full text.
John 20:22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
20:23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
What?Inspired from above not Rome earthly
The Church HAS been granted Divine authority. Jesus (God, 2nd person of the Trinity) has given that Authority.The church is not a Devine authority
The Church Jesus planted, will follow the same path Christ followed. It will preach the Word of God, then suffer and endure a great passion, and will rise and be presented as a spotless lamb (just as scripture tells us)coming from a dying creation
What?
The Church HAS been granted Divine authority. Jesus (God, 2nd person of the Trinity) has given that Authority.
The Church Jesus planted, will follow the same path Christ followed. It will preach the Word of God, then suffer and endure a great passion, and will rise and be presented as a spotless lamb (just as scripture tells us)
The church is not a authority it has one not seen but it is not of flesh and blood.(the Church seen) It comes from above .Where are new born again hearts are .Not earthly of Rome or earthly Jerusalem .Either Christ provides all the power to begin the good work of salvation and finish it to the end. We work it out as he empowers us. We do not work to gain it.
Three verse you can look at ...
He is our confidence, we lovingly commanded to put zero confidence in the flesh (things we do )
(1) Philippians1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
(2) Philippians 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
All born again believer have the treasure of His power working in their earthen bodies of death by which he works to both will and empower them to do the good works he has prepared beforehand hand . No power comes from the flesh which is rendered dead.
(3) 2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Would you agree, everything you said here outside of quoting Scripture, and keeping with Protestant theology is nothing more than your fallible, personal, non-authoritative opinion/ interpretation and is subject to error?
Meant to say, outside of quoting Scripture "directly."
I thanks for the reply.
I would agree if we obey the loving commandment of God according to 2 Timothy 2:15 we can seek the approval of the eternal one who alone is the infallible good Master as Teacher..
Job He infallibly informs us he is not a man and neither is there any infallible fleshly man that stands between our heavenly Holy Father not seen and man seen as a umpire called a Daysman or what some label as a Pope.
sure it is, St Paul tells Timothy to listen to the Church. Do you follow scripture?The church is not a authority it has one not seen but it is not of flesh and blood.
maybe someone else can follow these incomplete sentences.Where are new born again hearts are .Not earthly of Rome or earthly Jerusalem .Either Christ provides all the power to begin the good work of salvation and finish it to the end. We work it out as he empowers us. We do not work to gain
we are born again through Baptism, we become a new creation. I'm just following what scripture says and what the Church has taught for close to 2,000 years....you?No power comes from the flesh which is rendered dead.
sure it is, St Paul tells Timothy to listen to the Church. Do you follow scripture?
maybe someone else can follow these incomplete sentences.
we are born again through Baptism, we become a new creation. I'm just following what scripture says and what the Church has taught for close to 2,000 years....you?
They are asking do you follow what God says or what the Pope says?maybe someone else can follow these incomplete sentences.
That's not what I asked garee. What I did ask "you" is..... "Would you agree, everything "YOU" say here on this forum, outside of quoting Scripture directly, and keeping with Protestant theology is nothing more than "YOUR" fallible, personal, non-authoritative opinion/ interpretation and is subject to error?
I will ask the same of you here as I did on a different thread.
"If it is your belief that Jesus was the only human who was "infallible," then what you are basically saying is that the writers of the various books of the Bible were not infallible when they were writing their particular books of Scripture. Is this what you a claiming? Was not Paul infallible when he wrote his epistles? Were the gospel writers not infallible when they wrote the gospels? If they weren't, then you are essentially saying there could be errors in the Bible...that the Bible is not infallible. So, do you believe the writers of Scripture were infallible or not?
Have a Blessed Day!
"Roman Catholic" is the world's greatest oxymoron.
But I do think many are part of the Catholic church.
Yes I offer my fallible opinion called a “private interpretation” as a personal commentary as to what I believe my heavenly Holy Father is teaching and bringing to my memory the things he has taught the believers. .(John 14)
Just like any man of flesh and blood. It’s how we can seek His approval as we are lovingly commanded to do. The apostles were not moved by their own will (private interpretation) . We know from Paul before he was converted as to what the will of men called a law of the father was capable of doing .Murdering Christians as in out of sight out of mind.
First things first. . .
2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Jesus the Son of man the first born of the brethren (not first of the fathers) is the chief apostle and High Priest . He was sent by the Father as a son he did not do the will of his own flesh. Again not the will of His flesh.
He had food or power that the disciples knew not of. . again to do the will of the unseen Holy Father. Our Father in heaven alone is the infallible good Master. call no man on earth Father or good Master teacher. One is our Lord in heaven
Even Jesus the Son of man refused to claim He revealed his flesh profits for zero.(John 6)
Remember the work of salvation is always in respect to two as one God . No Son of man, seen workings with the unseen father then there is no peace of God. A person in that way denies both the father and the Son.
Two working as one the unseen Father in a greater position not a greater person.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
John 4:33-34 King James Version (KJV) Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
So you would admit, what "you believe" in your private interpretation of Scripture has 'zero' authority over anyone but yourself and could be wrong..... Right?
Again, everything you posted above, outside of quoting Scripture directly is nothing more than your admitted fallible, non-authoritive, opinion, and personal interpretation that could very well be in error......Right? A Yes or No would suffice.
Have a Blessed Day!