Is Sabbath a shadow?
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The Sabbath was given as a sign between God and the Israelites. It is not for anyone else.
Exodus 31:13
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
Ezekiel 20:12
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.
Ezekiel 20:20
Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
Exodus 31:13
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
Ezekiel 20:12
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.
Ezekiel 20:20
Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
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Goodness that statement has no truth in it and is simply not biblical when you read in Mark where JESUS says that he made the Sabbath for all mankind *Mark 2:27. The Sabbath was made on the "seventh day" of the creation week according to the scriptures *Genesis 2:1-3 where God blessed the "seventh day" and made it a holy day for all mankind. There was only Adam and Eve when God made the Sabbath for man. There was No JEW, No Gentile, No ISRAEL, No Moses. Yep only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and if we knowingly break any one of them according to James we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-12. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments *James 2:10-12; 1 John 3:4 and all those according to the scripture who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter into the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing and do despite to the Spirit of God's grace *Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-31. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4 over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9. God's ISRAEL in the new covenant dear friend are all those who believe and follow God's Word.
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Assuming the Ten Commandments were "engraved in letters on stone", here's what the Apostle Paul had to say about them. They were the transitory ministry that brought condemnation and death that has no glory now. The letter kills. Other than that, they were awesome.
2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
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Hi Bob- how are you doing today?
What does the Bible say about how we show God love? Just like the verse you quoted above.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
Jesus was summarizing the commandments of God. Not doing away with.
God Bless
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Ephesians 2:14-16
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
Hebrews 8:7, 13
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. ...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
John 1:16-17
Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
Hebrews 8:7, 13
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. ...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
John 1:16-17
Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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You want to know why? Is 66 follows the same thought train as Is 65. Lets explore some verses in Is 65 that refer to the new earth. I bolded the verses that contradicts what most of us believe will really be our destiny. Plus I added some comments.
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
After spending part of the Sabbath with God Is 66:24 goes on to say: 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
So, after having to deal with the abhorring sight each Sabbath we are to rejoice? Every week we are subjected to this Sabbath experience yet we rejoice???
20 No more will there be in it a child who lives only a few days, or an old man who does not live many years. For the child will live to be a hundred years old. And the one who does not live a hundred years will be thought to be cursed. NLV
Babies born in Heaven? Sinners in Heaven? Dying in Heaven? Is that what we have all been taught and does this ring with all other scripture?
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
So much for eternal life, huh.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.
God still punishing the serpent in Heaven?
Do you believe that Isaiah was really referring to the place we will go to when we pass from this life? If the Israelites believed that to live a life with all the ritual commands would only gain them one hundred years or maybe as long as a tree lives no wonder they rebelled and did the things they did. And during this time they would still have to deal with those they thought were cursed.
Maybe pointing to your "proof text" about what we would be doing in the New Earth is really a big mistake when you put it in context.
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wasn’t addressing this...
But this:
“The Sabbath points to creation, not the other way around.”
He chose six days for the creation and to rest the seventh day...ALL of creation points to Him His work of six days...and its day of rest...
Did He need the rest or the reminder He created all? Or was it indeed made for man...man created to REMEMBER the Sabbath...His Creator...the sign between them...
And what would we be doing if THERE WERE NO FALL...no SIN revealed...would we NOT follow Him His calendation of a day of rest?
WHOSE IMAGE are we made in? What are the factory installed manufacturer’s default settings? To DO AS HE did or wander off doing our own thing...
The fact that throughout history man maintains a 7 day cycle at all points to Sabbath...linguistically even...how many languages have Shabbat as its root for the seventh day?
“No evidence” of what? SIN? the breaking of what? the Law right?
So IF the Law describes Him His character and WAY OF LIFE...and He is IMMORTAL...when did this Law begin?
“I change NOT” He claimed...did He lie?
Cain had consequences for murder,
But Enoch walked with Him...
Great evil was done but Noah was found without fault...but all this according to what standard?
Seven days were already counted at the flood, as were clean and unclean animals...
Abraham kept ALL MY COMMANDMENTS...which were those? Just LOVE EVERYBODY?
Melchizedek was priest of which times and WHAT LAW? An opposing one to the one at Sinai?
Rachel sat on idols...Joseph knew adultery a sin to his God not just his master...
But again if He says it was made for man...and NOT just Jews...is that NOT enough...
Just made for Israel?
This ekklesia in the wilderness already at Sinai was full of those NOT of Jacob and received the living oracles...Sabbath the ONLY commandment to include “strangers within thy gates” the irony....
Are you not Israel part of His people? Or are you MAD and imagine Him married to two brides? One that does obey Him His way vs the one who doesn’t think she needs to...
MADE IN HIS IMAGE goes beyond what we look like but HOW WE LIVE...He rested after six days of work...so do we...
You claim to abide in Him you must to live as He did...is what “Follow Me” means
Copy me as I copy Christ...said Paul after he said to establish His Law...as faith does NOT make it void...
There is evidence Adam breathed...but none for Eve...are we wrong to assume she did?
They heard Him walking...might we not assume they did too?...despite LACK OF EVIDENCE
Cuz well...ya know...MADE IN HIS IMAGE...to do as He did...
Until they didn’t...and isn’t that where it all went wrong...they rejected Him His ways...claimed it NOT for them...
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So far so good. I will take what comes my way knowing that my Savior is there to pick me up and see me through if an obstacle comes my way.
Amen! my friend. Now shouldn't we try to figure out what HIS COMMANDS are? If the writer meant the ten commands I believe he would have indicated so wouldn't you? Now I know that SDAs use 1Jn5:3 as a "proof text". They do so believing it is telling us to keep the ten commandments. I certainly do not discount this since I was once a believer. The fact is though there is no "proof" in the text nor is there in any other "Proof text" SDAs use on the subject. Someone has gone through their Bible and highlighted texts out of context and the members use them without thinking for themselves or trying to find out the meaning of the highlighted texts. John in 1Jn 3 verses 19-24 John tells us exactly what "my commandments" mean. It is evident that the one who started the SDA proof texting didn't do his/her homework and it is evident you have taken it for granted that the writer was referring to the ten commandments. Here is the "proof text" that proves the the commands we are to keep are not the ten.
19 This is how we know we are Christians. It will give our heart comfort for sure when we stand before Him. 20 Our heart may say that we have done wrong. But remember, God is greater than our heart. He knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our heart does not say that we are wrong, we will have no fear as we stand before Him. 22 We will receive from Him whatever we ask if we obey Him and do what He wants. 23 This is what He said we must do: Put your trust in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and love each other. Christ told us to do this. 24 The person who obeys Christ lives by the help of God and God lives in him. We know He lives in us by the Holy Spirit He has given us.
This parallels Jn 15:
8 “When you give much fruit, My Father is honored. This shows you are My followers. 9 I have loved you just as My Father has loved Me. Stay in My love. 10 If you obey My teaching, you will live in My love. In this way, I have obeyed My Father’s teaching and live in His love. 11 I have told you these things so My joy may be in you and your joy may be full. 12 “This is what I tell you to do: Love each other just as I have loved you. 13 No one can have greater love than to give his life for his friends.
Do you really believe that Jesus was telling us to not cut our sideburns, to kill animals for our sins, to keep all the feast days and new moon days? Think for yourself my friend. SDA hierarchy is not going to tell you to dig deeper in their doctrines. They are lovers of big numbers and of course all the funds you provide them.
God Bless
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Who's are they? It was He who wrote them on the mount. Which ones are OK to break and still get into His presence?
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Had I wanted to use the word "shy" I certainly would have done so. Some Messianics I have tried to debate with will not recognize Paul as being authentic. Sabbath observers stay away from verses that tell us we are not under the done away old covenant ten commandments.
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Oh I see, some do. I try not to characterize a whole group based on the opinions of a few fringe within that group. To do so, not only leaves us with an illogical statement; but it violates CF rules. I'm glad that we got this cleared up.
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Since we all are under the commands of the new covenant any word that describes doing wrong like the things your sinful old self wants to do are: sex sins, sinful desires, wild living, 20 worshiping false gods, witchcraft, hating, fighting, being jealous, being angry, arguing, dividing into little groups and thinking the other groups are wrong, false teaching, 21 wanting something someone else has, killing other people, using strong drink, wild parties, and all things like these. Gal 5
As you can see many of those sins are not in the ten that you hold so revere.
Can we do witchcraft and still get into His presence? Would we want to do witchcraft if we follow Jesus command to love others as He loves us? Salvation is not about keeping days that were meant for only Israel. The Sabbath command in the ten is the only one that does not relate to how we are to treat God and our fellow man it is strictly a ritual command on how to observe a day just like all the other commands to keep days. The nine commands fit in Jesus command to love one another as He loves us.
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So what? None of what you say contradicts
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
The Israelites knew about the Sabbath before it was given at Zion.
Exo 5:5 And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now are many, and ye make them rest from their burdens.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
There were commandments and statues long before Zion. That is why God said to remember the 7th day---they had spend 400 years Egypt and had to be reminded of it and all the other commandments.
It was instituted at creation. God did not need to rest. The word there is actually "ceased." not rested. He ceased creating the world and instituted the Sabbath in memorial of the Creation week. He did not institute it for Himself. It was given for man as Jesus Himself said. Not for God, not for angels, not just for the Jews for there were no Jews yet---for MAN. It doesn't really matter what you think, it's what God thinks that's important. What He instituted as a memorial to His creation, and later wrote with His own hand, no man has the power to eliminate. We follow the example of Jesus, and He absolutely kept the sabbath and all the commandments. The ONLY thing that changed at the cross was the blood sacrifices that pointed to Jesus as the Sacrificial Lamb. It's not rocket science to see that.
Agasin, where does it ay you can unrepentantly break any commandment and still be saved???
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Zoom, right over your head.
Completely out of context. How can we trust anything you write. The flight out of Egypt took several weeks and God didn't have them stop for a "rest" day now did He?
The first recorded rest day ever for man.
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even our traffic laws agreed upon by "we the people" to maintain order and peace and efficiency become something else when broken...lol
our constitution the same...obey it and a workable nation continues...we are FREE right?...break that constitution and well...it becomes a ministration of penalty...EVEN DEATH
what do your supposed Christ's commandments which apparently are NOT ON STONE bring IF NOT FOLLOWED? eternal life? hardly...
is WHY He gave these descriptions of Himself His life the Way it was in Heaven to His people at sinai...LIVING ORACLES...for MAN...the MANUFACTURER's default settings...
these descriptions...these words...these sayings...these living oracles...these commandments are NOT an instruction book on HOW TO GET SALVATION
but Israel was saved FIRST and then given an OWNER's MANUAL on how to maintain and maximize what they inherited...
we too receive this His owner's manual to what the LAW enshrines the Promise of adoption and inheritance LIFE not only in this world NOW but forever after...
His death is our guarantee to these inalienable RIGHTS our Creator has GIVEN to us...
Paul was clear we are to establish His Law...as our faith does NOT make it void
to bring other's to Him...just like in the OT Israel was to do...is why "go into ALL...teaching to observe ALL I commanded" because His house is a house of prayer for ALL...like the Sabbath given to ALL...like creation...for ALL...
Whosoever believes that is...hears AND DOES the Will of His Father...
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oh no?
Already at Sinai those NOT of Jacob received the Sabbath the ONLY living oracle which SPECIFICALLY included gentiles...the IRONY
Paul confirms to a letter to these dirty goyim now understood as clean...finally...
1 Cor 10:3They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
1 Cor 12 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink.
or do you have His kingdom divided?
He lied I guess when He said Sabbath was made for Man...and not just Jews
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is now a good time to remind you?
Leviticus 19:34
The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.
Exodus 12:49
The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.”
Leviticus 24:22
There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the Lord your God.’”
Numbers 9:14
If an alien sojourns among you and observes the Passover to the Lord, according to the statute of the Passover and according to its ordinance, so he shall do; you shall have one statute, both for the alien and for the native of the land.’”
Numbers 15:14
If an alien sojourns with you, or one who may be among you throughout your generations, and he wishes to make an offering by fire, as a soothing aroma to the Lord, just as you do so he shall do.
Numbers 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the alien who sojourns with you, a perpetual statute throughout your generations; as you are, so shall the alien be before the Lord.
Numbers 15:16
There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.’”
Numbers 15:29
You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.
Deuteronomy 1:16
“Then I charged your judges at that time, saying, ‘Hear the cases between your fellow countrymen, and judge righteously between a man and his fellow countryman, or the alien who is with him.
Deuteronomy 24:14
“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your countrymen or one of your aliens who is in your land in your towns.
Leviticus 18:26
But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you
Exodus 12:19
Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land.
Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
Deuteronomy 5:14
but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
Leviticus 16:29
“This shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;
Leviticus 17:8
“Then you shall say to them, ‘Any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice,
Leviticus 17:10
‘And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.
Leviticus 22:18
“Speak to Aaron and to his sons and to all the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘Any man of the house of Israel or of the aliens in Israel who presents his offering, whether it is any of their votive or any of their freewill offerings, which they present to the Lord for a burnt offering—
Leviticus 17:13
So when any man from the sons of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, in hunting catches a beast or a bird which may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth.
Leviticus 24:16
Moreover, the one who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him. The alien as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.
Numbers 15:26
So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error.
Even the promise ENSHRINED in this law you wish to reject...even abolish:
Ezekiel 47:21So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.
22And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.
23And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.
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