Can Anything Good Come Out Of Nazareth?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Oct 22, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Wait, I think I meant to say, get that stupid smile off your face.

I think you meant to say that you are really not interested in knowing what it is and just like to ridicule others because you do not know the answer but call yourself "minister"...smiley face

So be it!

Mr. M · Oct 22, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I think you meant to say that you are really not interested in knowing what it is and just like to ridicule others because you do not know the answer but call yourself "minister"...smiley face So be it!

I admitted several times that I had no idea to what you were referring. I asked you three times politely
if you would care to share. I can honestly say this is the first time I was told that something in Isaiah is inaccessible because it is in Hebrew. How does that even make sense to you?
And you call yourself The Way? Whatever. Nice try. Play your games elsewhere. No smiley face.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Oct 22, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
I can honestly say this is the first time I was told that something in Isaiah is inaccessible because it is in Hebrew. How does that even make sense to you? And you call yourself The Way? Whatever. Nice try. Play your games elsewhere. No smiley face.

See more inaccuracies from you. You can't understand that something in the Hebrew original is differently understood than when it is translated into English? And I don't call MYSELF "the Way", I say YESHUA IS THE WAY. Yeah, nice try Mr. "Minister".

PeterDona · Oct 23, 2020

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Makes it so much more meaningful when Jesus is in the Acts of the Apostles called "Jesus of Nazareth"

Yeshua HaDerekh · Oct 23, 2020

PeterDona said:
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Yes! Winner winner chicken dinner!

Mr. M · Oct 23, 2020

PeterDona said:
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Micah 5:2. But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have
been from of old, from everlasting.
The House of David
Consider this house of David known as Ephrathites. Ephrathah was a Hebrew woman who became the wife of Caleb, the faithful servant to Moses. Caleb was not a Hebrew, but is identified as a Kenizzite. Caleb was granted the region of Hebron by Moses for his faithful witness with Joshua after the scouting expedition. David’s grandmother was Ruth the Moabite. The city of Bethlehem Ephrathah was the city of Joseph, husband of Mary, and the birthplace of the Messiah. David ruled from Hebron for seven years until the elders of Israel came and acknowledged him as their king.

The line of Caleb is listed in the Chronicle genealogies with the tribe of Judah by a process known as grafting in, the same terminology Paul uses in Romans 11 to describe the gentile relationship to natural Israel. Through the house of David the wall of partition between Jew and gentile is broken down and finds fulfillment in Christ Jesus.

Luke 1:31-33. Behold, you shall conceive and bring forth a son and shall call him Jesus. He shall be exalted and called the Son of the Highest and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David, and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Isaiah 9:6&7. For unto us a child is born unto a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulder.... Of the increase of his government and peace no end upon the throne of David...the zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The one true church is the house of David and the Lord Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of the throne of majesty to fulfill all righteousness.
Isaiah 55:3. incline your ear and come unto me, hear and your soul shall live and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, the steadfast love I promised unto David.

Mr. M · Oct 23, 2020

PeterDona said:
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Now we are finally getting somewhere!
Post#2
Mark 12:
35 Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, How is it that the scribes say
that Christ is the Son of David?
36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool.
37. David himself calls Him Lord; how then is He his Son?
And the common people heard Him gladly.

Mr. M · Oct 23, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Now we are finally getting somewhere!
Post#2
Mark 12:
35 Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, How is it that the scribes say
that Christ is the Son of David?
36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool.
37. David himself calls Him Lord; how then is He his Son?
And the common people heard Him gladly.

Isaiah 14:32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation?
That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

Mr. M · Oct 23, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Isaiah 14:32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation?
That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

The Report Of Jesus proclaimed by Isaiah
Luke 7:22. Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Isaiah 61:1. The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the poor; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Mr. M · Oct 23, 2020

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Mr. M · Oct 23, 2020

PeterDona said:
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Good morning Peter,
The only problem with this article is that it is mixing what in the narrative of Matthew 2 is seperate.
Matthew 2:6. And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah:
for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
This prophecy of Micah 5:2 shows that he is of the lineage of David, as does Isaiah 11:1.
netzer translated branch is not at all related to Nazareth/Nazarene, referred to later in
Matthew 2:23 This connection is a contrivance and misses the point. Being referred to as
Jesus of Nazareth was to separate himself from the royal lineage. The point of the topic then
is why? Back to OP#1:
John 7:
40 Therefore many from the crowd, when they heard this saying, said,
Truly this is the Prophet.
41 Others said, This is Christ.
But some said, Will Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Has not the Scripture said that Christ comes from the seed of David
and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of Him.

Along what lines are the people divided?
Here is the question that the OP poses, post #2 points to the answer.
Mark 12:
35 Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, How is it that the
scribes say that Christ is the Son of David?
36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool.
37. David himself calls Him Lord; how then is He his Son?
And the common people heard Him gladly.
Nazareth in Galilee was separated from Judea by Samaria, and in the region of the Decapolis.
This region embraced the Greco-Roman culture. When Jesus called the religious elite hypocrites,
He was using the Greek word for theatre actor. The Jewish population were called Hellenists,
(KJV Grecians) who were discriminated against in the early church. Acts 6:1
Jesus was also rejected at the synagogue of Nazareth, Luke 4
So while having a Jewish population, Nazareth was very much a gentile/greek city, and the prophets,
especially Isaiah, declare that the Messiah would bring forth salvation to the gentiles.
Matthew 2:6 and 2:23 cannot be connected through netzer, which has nothing to do with Nazareth,
and everything to do with Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 11:1.
Nazarene does echo Nazarite "separated one", but that has more to do with John the Baptist. It however,
does allow the Nazarite and vow, such as the narrative of Samson, to foreshadow in the natural, the spiritual children of God, as it is written "come out from among them, and be separate".

Yeshua HaDerekh · Oct 23, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Along what lines are the people divided?
Here is the question that the OP poses, post #2 points to the answer.
Mark 12:
35 Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, How is it that the
scribes say that Christ is the Son of David?
36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool.
37. David himself calls Him Lord; how then is He his Son?
And the common people heard Him gladly.
Nazareth in Galilee was separated from Judea by Samaria, and in the region of the Decapolis.
This region embraced the Greco-Roman culture. When Jesus called the religious elite hypocrites,
He was using the Greek word for theatre actor. The Jewish population were called Hellenists,
(KJV Grecians) who were discriminated against in the early church. Acts 6:1
Jesus was also rejected at the synagogue of Nazareth, Luke 4
So while having a Jewish population, Nazareth was very much a gentile/greek city, and the prophets,
especially Isaiah, declare that the Messiah would bring forth salvation to the gentiles.
Matthew 2:6 and 2:23 cannot be connected through netzer, which has nothing to do with Nazareth,
and everything to do with Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 11:1.
Nazarene does echo Nazarite "separated one", but that has more to do with John the Baptist. It however,
does allow the Nazarite and vow, such as the narrative of Samson, to foreshadow in the natural, the spiritual children of God, as it is written "come out from among them, and be separate".

Actually it has much to do with it...branch (netzer) is the word for the town (Netzeret...Nazareth). He was a Nazarene. It was a very Jewish town in that time. Sepphoris and Tiberius on the other hand were very mixed. You know the early followers of Yeshua were called the "Evyonim" or "Ebionites"...the poor ones?

Mr. M · Oct 23, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Actually it has much to do with it...branch (netzer) is the word for the town (Netzeret...Nazareth). He was a Nazarene. It was a very Jewish town in that time. Sepphoris and Tiberius on the other hand were very mixed. You know the early followers of Yeshua were called the "Evyonim" or "Ebionites"...the poor ones?

Source?

Mr. M · Oct 23, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You know the early followers of Yeshua were called the "Evyonim" or "Ebionites"...the poor ones?

Not in the New Testament. Later sect.
Ebionite | religious sect

Mr. M · Oct 23, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Actually it has much to do with it...branch (netzer) is the word for the town (Netzeret...Nazareth). He was a Nazarene. It was a very Jewish town in that time. Sepphoris and Tiberius on the other hand were very mixed. You know the early followers of Yeshua were called the "Evyonim" or "Ebionites"...the poor ones?

You cannot start in Bethlehem, Micah 5:2, connect (correctly) to Isaiah 11:1, take netzer from there,
travel 80 miles north to Galilee and plant it in Nazareth and claim Nazareth comes from netzer, just
to create an explanation for Matthew 2:23. Unless you are following the teachings of someone like
this guy. Nazarene is Netzerite
Jeremiah and Zechariah don't even use the Hebrew netzer for "The Branch". This is bad exegesis.

chad kincham · Oct 24, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Okay, and I am just asking for a scripture reference, or is Matthew 2:23 referencing something
outside contemporary Christian canon? "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene." You asked "what prophecy", now you seem to
know what it is. As I said, I found numerous references stating that this is not in any of
the Hebrew prophets we know of, so what have you found? Care to share?

I do believe Jesus was born in Bethlehem, and I notice scripture says Joseph left there and went to Nazareth so that Jesus would be CALLED a Nazarene.

I see no conflict.

He was born in Bethlehem but was CALLED a Nazarene.

Both are true.

He’s not a Nazarene but true to the prophecy, they CALLED Him one.

Shalom.

Minister Monardo said:
Okay, and I am just asking for a scripture reference, or is Matthew 2:23 referencing something
outside contemporary Christian canon? "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene." You asked "what prophecy", now you seem to
know what it is. As I said, I found numerous references stating that this is not in any of
the Hebrew prophets we know of, so what have you found? Care to share?

chad kincham · Oct 24, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
All four Gospels testify to the fact that Jesus was widely referred to as "Jesus of Nazareth", and
"the prophet of Nazareth". Even the unclean spirits addressed Him,"what have we to do with you,
Jesus of Nazareth". Throughout Acts, the apostles continue to refer to Him as Jesus of Nazareth,
and the sign Pilate placed above His head on the cross read "Jesus of Nazareth, King of The Jews".
So the question is, why does He distance Himself from the prophecy concerning the birthplace
of Bethlehem, "The City of David" in Micah 5:2 by being called Jesus of Nazareth?

I do believe Jesus was born in Bethlehem, and I notice scripture says Joseph left there and went to Nazareth so that Jesus would be CALLED a Nazarene.

I see no conflict.

He was born in Bethlehem but was CALLED a Nazarene.

Both are true.

He’s not a Nazarene but true to the prophecy, they CALLED Him one.

Shalom.

PeterDona · Oct 24, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Good morning Peter,

Nazarene does echo Nazarite "separated one", but that has more to do with John the Baptist. It however,
does allow the Nazarite and vow, such as the narrative of Samson, to foreshadow in the natural, the spiritual children of God, as it is written "come out from among them, and be separate".

Hello Minister,

So I guess this is the main point you want to set forth in your reply - that "nazarene" could be related to "nazarite".

It is actually quite interesting, to stop and wonder a little about the link between the "nazarite" vow, and what we find in the new testament. What I will present here are just some loose thoughts and by no means a summed up doctrine. Maybe we could work a little together, I would find it interesting to have some further light on this.

Interesting that the vow was called "nazarite"
Numbers 6 (almost whole chapter) is dedicated to this nazarite vow
Judges 13-16 describes Samson, a man who took a nazarite vow.
Certainly there seems to be power in such a vow

Strongs concordance (hebrew 5139) says,
The first occurence of the word is in Gen 49:26, that Joseph was separate from his brethren
In the Bible we know of Samson, Samuel, and John Baptist being lifelong nazarites
Paul made a temporary vow (acts 18:18)

Mr. M · Oct 24, 2020

PeterDona said:
The first occurence of the word is in Gen 49:26, that Joseph was separate from his brethren
In the Bible we know of Samson, Samuel, and John Baptist being lifelong nazarites

Yes, I was looking more at the idea of separation. Bethlehem, representing the royal line
of David, was separated from Nazareth by nothing less than Samaria. According to Isaiah 61, and
confirmed by the Lord in Luke 4, the Gospel preaching was directed to the poor, and the
common people received Him gladly. Religious representatives in Judea, or Nazareth for that matter,
not so much.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Oct 24, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Source?

Source for what

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