I give up: I'd rather go backwards, than forwards (in Evolution)

Gottservant · Oct 23, 2020

I think the elephant in the room, is basically this: I want to stop, evolving.

I just do not want to evolve.

I didn't ask, I didn't imply, I didn't encourage anyone to think of me as "Evolved".

Call it what you will, but call it something - other than "Evolution".

Gottservant · Oct 23, 2020

Tell me what it is, that I am doing, that makes you think "he is evolved" and I will stop.

I'm serious. Give me what is owed to me and let me go my way.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 23, 2020

Gottservant said:
I think the elephant in the room, is basically this: I want to stop, evolving.

I just do not want to evolve.

I didn't ask, I didn't imply, I didn't encourage anyone to think of me as "Evolved".

Call it what you will, but call it something - other than "Evolution".

The very clear sign in the room is that you don't know a single thing about evolution and you seem to make absolutely no attempt to learn about evolution. All biological organisms, all plants, all animals, all humans, have evolved and will continue to evolve.

Don't like it? Tough toe-nails.

An individual cannot stop adapting and a population cannot stop evolving. The only way to stop is to die.

Gottservant said:
Tell me what it is, that I am doing, that makes you think "he is evolved" and I will stop.

I'm serious. Give me what is owed to me and let me go my way.

No one being is more evolved than another. It's a failing of your own knowledge of science that makes you think that is so.

And not one person here owes you a single thing.

Gottservant · Oct 23, 2020

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
And not one person here owes you a single thing.

Did you ask for permission before you gave me the title "Evolved"?

If you said to me "Don't call me 'created'" I wouldn't say 'tough toe-nails', I'd say "fine, that is your choice"?

Your whole premise is that people want to be called this thing "Evolution" - I don't.

I would rather be called something else. I don't even want you to call me "Created" if it doesn't suit you. But the terms of debate are, mud sticks - either call me something else, or give up calling yourself by the same! I will not stand by while you deceive people that would otherwise learn and take wisdom seriously.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 23, 2020

Gottservant said:
Did you ask for permission before you gave me the title "Evolved"?

If you said to me "Don't call me 'created'" I wouldn't say 'tough toe-nails', I'd say "fine, that is your choice"?

Your whole premise is that people want to be called this thing "Evolution" - I don't.

I would rather be called something else. I don't even want you to call me "Created" if it doesn't suit you. But the terms of debate are, mud sticks - either call me something else, or give up calling yourself by the same! I will not stand by while you deceive people that would otherwise learn and take wisdom seriously.

Again: you don't want to be called evolved. Tough toe-nails, that's what you are. All biological life is evolved, including humans.

It's not my fault that you know virtually nothing about the science you decide to rage against for no reason other than you don't like it personally.

Gottservant · Oct 23, 2020

The whole thing is: I've been evolved.

You're not recognizing that I have progressed beyond that.

If it made sense to call innocent people 'evolved', it makes even more sense to call someone who has moved beyond "innocence" something 'else'.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 23, 2020

Gottservant said:
The whole thing is: I've been evolved.

You're not recognizing that I have progressed beyond that.

If it made sense to call innocent people 'evolved', it makes even more sense to call someone who has moved beyond "innocence" something 'else'.

Except you haven't. That's not even basic English.

You've not progressed beyond evolution nor have you progressed beyond anything else. You are still a human being.

Gottservant · Oct 23, 2020

Even if you called me 'less evolved' that would make more sense, than calling me "evolved" (for no other reason than that you wanted to call me something).

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 23, 2020

Evolution is not a linear scale with 'less evolved' on one end and 'more evolved' on the other. It is not a race to win, nor a ladder to climb. Evolution is simply a biological response to environmental pressures on populations.

Seriously: LEARN THE SCIENCE! IT'S NOT HARD!

Gottservant · Oct 23, 2020

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Except you haven't. That's not even basic English.

You've not progressed beyond evolution nor have you progressed beyond anything else. You are still a human being.

No, it's annoying.

I mean it is actually childish for a number of reasons.

You don't know that I have mutated, you're not interested in my adaptations, it seems humourous to you to call me the descendent of another kind and humourous again to paint a picture of me as 'trying to keep up, with the rest of my species' and it seems right to you to dream up a title for me, when I already have one, one that was given with the best possible spirit and sincerest intentions, paid for at the highest possible price.

You have not done my pre-existing title justice and I want you to stop.

I want you to stop because it is annoying! Do I call you "Created", when it annoys you? No I don't.

If you can't afford to give me another title, I call into question your ability to give title to anything.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 23, 2020

Gottservant said:
No, it's annoying.

I mean it is actually childish for a number of reasons.

You don't know that I have mutated, you're not interested in my adaptations, it seems humourous to you to call me the descendent of another kind and humourous again to paint a picture of me as 'trying to keep up, with the rest of my species' and it seems right to you to dream up a title for me, when I already have one, one that was given with the best possible spirit and sincerest intentions, paid for at the highest possible price.

You have not done my pre-existing title justice and I want you to stop.

I want you to stop because it is annoying! Do I call you "Created", when it annoys you? No I don't.

If you can't afford to give me another title, I call into question your ability to give title to anything.

But it's not a title, it's a biological fact. The human population has evolved, it's a simple and clear biological fact. It's a biological fact that individuals in a population mutate.

Evolution is a biological fact.

You have no pre-existing title because you are not a of nobility.

And take your meds!

Gottservant · Oct 23, 2020

Now a title, is a 'fact'?!

Can you speak for me, while you call me 'evolved'?

"Is a fact" is a platitude; do you call apes "evolved" before or after they evolve?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 23, 2020

Gottservant said:
Now a title, is a 'fact'?!

Can you speak for me, while you call me 'evolved'?

"Is a fact" is a platitude; do you call apes "evolved" before or after they evolve?

You're not making any sense.

Evolved is not a title. It's a statement of fact of biological evolution.
And stating that biological evolution is a fact is not a platitude since it's a fact and it is correct.

Seriously: learn the science, it is not difficult in any way, shape or form, and if you get stuck, there are people on this forum who can help you understand.

Gottservant · Oct 23, 2020

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
You're not making any sense.

Evolved is not a title. It's a statement of fact of biological evolution.
And stating that biological evolution is a fact is not a platitude since it's a fact and it is correct.

Seriously: learn the science, it is not difficult in any way, shape or form, and if you get stuck, there are people on this forum who can help you understand.

You didn't answer the question:

Is an ape evolved, before or after they are evolved?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 23, 2020

Gottservant said:
You didn't answer the question:

Is an ape evolved, before or after they are evolved?

It's a nonsensical question. I answered it: you're not making any sense. And also, again, you're clearly showing that you do not understand science, so please, go and take the time to learn it. It's not hard, and it's not complicated.

Gottservant · Oct 23, 2020

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
It's a nonsensical question. I answered it: you're not making any sense. And also, again, you're clearly showing that you do not understand science, so please, go and take the time to learn it. It's not hard, and it's not complicated.

Show me the answer (you can quote yourself, if you need to)?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 23, 2020

Gottservant said:
Show me the answer (you can quote yourself, if you need to)?

Post #173:

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
You're not making any sense.

Stating that the question is nonsensical is a perfectly valid answer. Because it was a nonsensical question.

Speedwell · Oct 23, 2020

Gottservant said:
You didn't answer the question:

Is an ape evolved, before or after they are evolved?

If they are apes they are already evolving.

AV1611VET · Oct 23, 2020

Gottservant said:
I just want to say that whatever Evolution is, I am not going to chase it. I just don't want to.

Me neither.

If my body is going to adapt, it is going to have to adapt on its own.

VirOptimus · Oct 23, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Me neither.

If my body is going to adapt, it is going to have to adapt on its own.

Que?

I give up: I'd rather go backwards, than forwards (in Evolution)

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