On record press statement by person who claims to be recipient of Hunter email--Joe involved

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
I thank you. You keep my thread at the top. Can you be sure to stop in tonight while I am sleeping? It would help out a lot.

I'm happy to keep drawing attention to the fact that you have provided zero cogent reasons why this should be taken seriously.

Do keep undermining your case.

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
I did not vote for Trump before, and am not now. But your hypocrisy in not wanting to even look at the allegations is plain.

"Mr Trump, who I do not support..."

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
I did not vote for Trump before, and am not now. But your hypocrisy in not wanting to even look at the allegations is plain.

Again, if you actually meant this, you would not be plying this sad false equivalence. But you are, so..

Again, if this is what you really care about, you would be far, far more concerned about the Trump dynasty, who have done far more dodgy stuff than whatever aerated nonsense you are amplifying about one solitary email allegedly (but not proven to be) from Biden's son, who is not running for president.

Get your priorities in order.

tall73 · Oct 22, 2020

Triumvirate said:
Again, if you actually meant this, you would not be plying this sad false equivalence. But you are, so..

Again, if this is what you really care about, you would be far, far more concerned about the Trump dynasty, who have done far more dodgy stuff than whatever aerated nonsense you are amplifying about one solitary email allegedly (but not proven to be) from Biden's son, who is not running for president.

Get your priorities in order.

My priorities are fine. I am on record saying Trump is not fit for some time, criticizing his killing of non-combatants, his harassing underage contestants in his pageants, his claiming Christian faith but saying he never asked forgiveness, etc.

That doesn't mean I cannot comment on Biden, who has his own war crimes to answer for under the Obama administration, his own problem with making women and children uncomfortable with his touching, etc.

One more reminder of the thread topic. It is about the allegations regarding Joe participating in his son's business deals. It is not on Trump. Stay on topic.

tall73 · Oct 22, 2020

Triumvirate said:
I'm happy to keep drawing attention to the fact that you have provided zero cogent reasons why this should be taken seriously.

Do keep undermining your case.

I trust that people can read the material presented. You have just said It isn't so again and again.

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
One more reminder of the thread topic. It is about the allegations regarding Joe participating in his son's business deals. It is not on Trump. Stay on topic.

I'll decide what I want to talk about, thank you. And to opt straight for the NYposts presentation of this issue without contextualising it is incredibly naive, so it is quite appropriate to contextualise this with the far worse behaviour of Trump and clan that has gone unaccounted for.

Your fallacious both sidesing is not serving anyone, not least the American people. It might serve Trump, however.

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
I trust that people can read the material presented. You have just said It isn't so again and again.

Presenting material uncritically from a source that hasn't presented verification of the material they claim to have so far isn't credible, hth :wave:

tall73 · Oct 22, 2020

Triumvirate said:
I'll decide what I want to talk about, thank you. And to opt straight for the NYposts presentation of this issue without contextualising it is incredibly naive, so it is quite appropriate to contextualise this with the far worse behaviour of Trump and clan that has gone unaccounted for.

Your fallacious both sidesing is not serving anyone, not least the American people. It might serve Trump, however.

There are more than two sides. And the American people would be best to realize that soon rather than voting for an ever worse series of candidates from the two big parties.

If you absolutely must talk about Trump, go ahead. Perhaps you will gain some benefit from it. It doesn't justify Joe, or Obama, or Bush, the long list of war criminals the two parties keep putting forward.

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
There are more than two sides. And the American people would be best to realize that soon rather than voting for an ever worse series of candidates from the two big parties.

If you absolutely must talk about Trump, go ahead. Perhaps you will gain some benefit from it. It doesn't justify Joe, or Obama, or Bush, the long list of war criminals the two parties keep putting forward.

And yet there is no alternative, and it is an untruth to pretend that Biden is comparable to Trump on these counts.

tall73 · Oct 22, 2020

Triumvirate said:
And yet there is no alternative, and it is a lie to pretend that Biden is comparable to Trump on these counts.

There are alternatives. People just keep saying that we have to vote for whatever poor choice the two parties put forward.

I voted for Stein last time, for instance.

And if everyone who was so upset about the two poor choices voted their conscience then we would be better off.

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
There are alternatives. People just keep saying that we have to vote for whatever poor choice the two parties put forward.

I voted for Stein last time, for instance.

Oh boy, another Russian shill who spoiled the vote for a candidate that would have been far less damaging than Trump. Such an improvement.

And if everyone who was so upset about the two poor choices voted their conscience then we would be better off.

As if a lot of the people who've revealed their true character voting for Trump weren't voting with their consciences.....

tall73 · Oct 22, 2020

Let's see what happens with rank voting in place more and more.

Oh, and I hardly think Clinton who sold weapons to countries her own State Department identified as human rights abusers, and conveniently got donations to her foundation from, would have been as great as you claim. She also was the leading voice in pushing Libya, which is now a failed state. To his credit Biden opposed that one.

Moreover, I will admit Stein is quite liberal, and I am sure RT and the rest loved her. That does not mean she was a Russian agent.

And last time the emails from the DNC were legitimate. They were released with political timing, no doubt. But they showed what the politicians actually thought.

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
Yes, I know you have to smear every other candidate but the establishment.

Lol, if you are a political nominee you are already establishment. This idea is a nonsense, it is what lead to thousands of people being conned into thinking Trump wasn't an elite, when he is.

Oh, and I hardly think Clinton who sold weapons to countries her own State Department identified as human rights abusers, and conveniently got donations to her foundation from, would have been as great as you claim.

The political system of the US would not have been nearly so undermined by her, and this is patently obvious.

Moreover, I will admit Stein is quite liberal, and I am sure RT and the rest loved her. That does not mean she was a Russian agent.

No, she was just courted by them at events that a bunch of Trump admin officials were similarly courted at. It makes her a useful idiot, which is a relevant concept here. (Hint for the future - RT and most of the Russian state apparatus is not liberal, so maybe have a think about why they were propping her up)

And last time the emails from the DNC were legitimate. They were released with political timing, no doubt. But they showed what the politicians actually thought.

And yet you'd think you'd have learned not to be chumped by selective and one-sided leaking just before an election? As if Trump doesn't have skeletons lurking in his inbox? Come on. Think. Being conned in 2016 is one thing and bad enough. Being conned a second time in 2020 by the same scam is just foolishness.

tall73 · Oct 22, 2020

Triumvirate said:
The political system of the US would not have been nearly so undermined by her, and this is patently obvious.

The system would be less undermined by electing someone who is not keen on starting wars everywhere. But that is about the only thing the two parties agree on.

No, she was just courted by them at events that a bunch of Trump admin officials were similarly courted at. It makes her a useful idiot, which is a relevant concept here.

Spell out everything you have on Stein please. I am sure you will enjoy it since it relieves you of talking about Biden.

And yet you'd think you'd have learned not to be chumped by selective and one-sided leaking just before an election? As if Trump doesn't have skeletons lurking in his inbox? Come on. Think. Being conned in 2016 is one thing and bad enough. Being conned a second time in 2020 by the same scam is just foolishness.

And the DNC leaks were actual information. I don't approve of hacking. But I also don't feel sorry for politicians having their actual views revealed.

And of course Trump's inbox would be a problem for him. But then I didn't vote for him.

tall73 · Oct 22, 2020

Triumvirate said:
And yet you'd think you'd have learned not to be chumped by selective and one-sided leaking just before an election?

Wikileaks leaked on Republicans too you might recall. Democrats didn't have a problem with it then.

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
The system would be less undermined by electing someone who is not keen on starting wars everywhere. But that is about the only thing the two parties agree on.

Lol, you know drone activity went up under Trump? The idiot who has raised tensions with both DPRK and Iran?

The 'Hilary is a hawk' line was cobblers five years ago, now it is just embarrassing ^_^

Spell out everything you have on Stein please. I am sure you will enjoy it since it relieves you of talking about Biden.

She was at the same event where the Russians were trying to turn Flynn and Page, afaik.

And the DNC leaks were actual information. I don't approve of hacking. But I also don't feel sorry for politicians having their actual views revealed.

And of course Trump's inbox would be a problem for him. But then I didn't vote for him.

Of course not

If you want to make such a big deal of Podesta's inbox while actively knowing you have incomplete information - well, I can't stop you from making such a shoddy analysis, but I would kindly ask that you don't misadvise your fellow citizens.

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
Wikileaks leaked on Republicans too you might recall. Democrats didn't have a problem with it then.

Lol, no they didn't. The Republicans were hacked, but not leaked.

And people like you then evaluated the parties based on an obviously biased information environment. I am simply concerned that people do better than that.

Pommer · Oct 22, 2020

tall73 said:
Wikileaks leaked on Republicans too you might recall. Democrats didn't have a problem with it then.

No.
The Russian hackers did hack both the DNC and RNC emails, but only the DNC’s were posted to Wikileaks.

Triumvirate · Oct 22, 2020

Pommer said:
No.
The Russian hackers did hack both the DNC and RNC emails, but only the DNC’s were posted to Wikileaks.

Yeah, I'd love to see where this comparable leak on the GOP from 2016 was that Wikileaks posted. That's a puzzler.

tall73 · Oct 22, 2020

Tanj said:
A person (Tony Bobulinksi) who's only net presence apart from this thing is a court case

I guess we will find out more about him soon. I updated one of my first posts with the info as well:

Who is Tony Bobulinski? What we know about Hunter Biden's business associate

Tony Bobulinski, the former business partner of Hunter Biden, is expected to participate in an informal interview before a Senate panel on Friday to discuss allegations that the Biden family accepted money from foreign entities, including China and Ukraine.[/QUOTE]

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