want to talk about OSAS?

Are you an OSAS believer?

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  • of course

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John is urging them to remain faithful. He worries they may go back.

Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. (1 John 2:24 KJV)
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There are multiple meanings of faith (pistis) in scripture, and I believe John is talking here about the doctrinal kind - the truth abiding in them, since he's already warned of "seducers". It isn't the same kind as the saving faith found in Acts 1:31, or the fidelity kind of 1 Thess 5:24. Continuing in the Son and Father would then be a picture of continuing in their truth. I think if John had meant continuing in salvation, he would have flipped that to say "the Son and the Father also shall continue in you" since he pictures salvation this way in 1 John 5:12 - He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

I think to see it any other way is to say the Lord can't/didn't accomplish the will of the Father -

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day (John 6:39-40)
 
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Essentially yes.

I think that you can only be saved once (per Hebrews 8), but that you may be able to opt out once as well ... if you knowingly decide it's not for you ...

Wouldn't then that be blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, if there is no way back? Actually Origen said something like that (I can look it up if you are interested).
 
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what denomination are you affiliated with ?

It's says non-denominational in the short bio of each of my posts. I would like to have fellowship with certain churches within the International Fellowship of Bible Churches (International Fellowship of Bible Churches); But the ones that I would like to attend are too far away from me. I would need to fly on a plane and book a hotel in order to attend (Which is way too complicated and costly for me to do at this time in my life).

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if none then do you have a doctrinal statement of faith ?

Yes. My statement of faith can be found in my profile page and then by clicking on the button called “information.” On that page is a link to my statement of faith. But for your convenience, I provided it here for you.

What is your Statement of Faith?

I hope this helps;
And may God bless you.
 
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I don't answer hypothetical situations I stick with Scripture. Nowhere does it imply or state in the bible that Moses(murderer), Abraham(a liar), David(adulterer,murderer)or Peter(a hypocrite) were lost, lost their salvation or any such thing. You can choose to believe otherwise but I will believe Gods word.

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It's says non-denominational in the short bio of each of my posts. I would like to have fellowship with certain churches within the International Fellowship of Bible Churches (International Fellowship of Bible Churches); But the ones that I would like to attend are too far away from me. I would need to fly on a plane and book a hotel in order to attend (Which is way too complicated and costly for me to do at this time in my life).



Yes. My statement of faith can be found in my profile page and then by clicking on the button called “information.” On that page is a link to my statement of faith. But for your convenience, I provided it here for you.

What is your Statement of Faith?
Thanks I will read through it .
 
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I would like to clear it up. As I said on another thread, To me how can you not believe in it? You have to keep being saved over and over again otherwise? So once isn't enough for you? That would seem to say that being saved is meaningless if you can't count on it to stick around.
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Well apart from being a polarising subject you mean?

I've switched from OSAS to the opposite. When you first become a Christian you feel you are invincible, but time and wisdom has taught me that what I once thought impossible to repeat (sin) was a constant factor in my life. I have watched others struggle with this and some failed and some succeeded.

Those that failed may come back, but some actually have gone on to oppose totally that which they once believed.

This is borne out by the scriptures. E.g. the parable of the sower includes a seed that grows but is swallowed by weeds.

So Jesus provided a once-and-for all sacrifice to save all people, but we have to keep hold of that, to run the race (as Paul says) or avoid becoming goats (as Jesus hints in the parable).

Following Jesus is not an event, it is a life-long process and only those that stick to it will reach the goal set before them.
 
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My, what a nice compliment.
Biblically, the concepts of mortal and venial sin present several problems: first of all, these concepts present an unbiblical picture of how God views sin. The Bible states that God will be just and fair in His punishment of sin and that on the day of judgment some sin will merit greater punishment than others (Matthew 11:22, 24; Luke 10:12, 14). But the fact is that all sin will be punished by God. The Bible teaches that all of us sin (Romans 3:23) and that the just compensation for sin is eternal death (Romans 6:23). Over and against the concepts of mortal and venial sin, the Bible does not state that some sins are worthy of eternal death whereas others are not. All sins are mortal sins in that even one sin makes the offender worthy of eternal separation from God.

The Apostle James articulates this fact in his letter (James 2:10): “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.” Notice his use of the word “stumbles.” It means to make a mistake or fall into error. James is painting a picture of a person who is trying to do the right thing and yet, perhaps unintentionally, commits a sin. What is the consequence? God, through His servant James, states when a person commits even unintentional sin, he is guilty of breaking the entire law. A good illustration of this fact is to picture a large window and understand that window to be God’s law. It doesn’t matter if a person throws a very small pebble through the window or several large boulders. The result is the same--the window is broken. In the same way, it doesn’t matter if a person commits one small sin or several huge ones. The result is the same--the person is guilty of breaking God’s law. And the Lord declares that He will not leave the guilty unpunished (Nahum 1:3).

Second, these concepts present an unbiblical picture of God’s payment for sin. In both cases of mortal and venial sin, forgiveness of the given transgression is dependent upon the offender making restitution of some type. In Roman Catholicism, this restitution may take the form of going to confession, praying a certain prayer, receiving the Eucharist, or another ritual of some type. The basic thought is that in order for Christ’s forgiveness to be applied to the offender, the offender must perform some work, and then the forgiveness is granted. The payment and forgiveness of the transgression is dependent upon the offender’s actions.got?

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Was Peter lost when he was practicing hypocrisy ?

see Galatians 2.

Does God weigh our sin on a scale ?

Is lust the same as fornication and adultery ?

To answer your question about Peter, I honestly do not know if Peter was saved or not while he was acting hypocritically whereby Paul needed to rebuke him. Scripture does not say one way or the other. We look through a glass darkly. What I do know is that the Bible does clearly teach that if a believer does not confess and forsake mortal sin that the Bible condemns, they abide in spiritual death and they are not saved unless they later confess and forsake their sins. If they die before they get a chance to confess of their sins, they are not saved. It's that simple. Proverbs 28:13 essentially says that he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy. Mercy is tied to salvation.
 
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To answer your question about Peter, I honestly do not know if Peter was saved or not while he was acting hypocritically whereby Paul needed to rebuke him. Scripture does not say one way or the other. We look through a glass darkly. What I do know is that the Bible does clearly teach that if a believer does not confess and forsake mortal sin that the Bible condemns, they abide in spiritual death and they are not saved unless they later confess and forsake their sins. If they die before they get a chance to confess of their sins, they are not saved. It's that simple. Proverbs 28:13 essentially says that he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy. Mercy is tied to salvation.
We will never see eye to eye on this issue but I read through your SOF and its pretty solid.
 
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Biblically, the concepts of mortal and venial sin present several problems: first of all, these concepts present an unbiblical picture of how God views sin. The Bible states that God will be just and fair in His punishment of sin and that on the day of judgment some sin will merit greater punishment than others (Matthew 11:22, 24; Luke 10:12, 14). But the fact is that all sin will be punished by God. The Bible teaches that all of us sin (Romans 3:23) and that the just compensation for sin is eternal death (Romans 6:23). Over and against the concepts of mortal and venial sin, the Bible does not state that some sins are worthy of eternal death whereas others are not. All sins are mortal sins in that even one sin makes the offender worthy of eternal separation from God.

The Apostle James articulates this fact in his letter (James 2:10): “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.” Notice his use of the word “stumbles.” It means to make a mistake or fall into error. James is painting a picture of a person who is trying to do the right thing and yet, perhaps unintentionally, commits a sin. What is the consequence? God, through His servant James, states when a person commits even unintentional sin, he is guilty of breaking the entire law. A good illustration of this fact is to picture a large window and understand that window to be God’s law. It doesn’t matter if a person throws a very small pebble through the window or several large boulders. The result is the same--the window is broken. In the same way, it doesn’t matter if a person commits one small sin or several huge ones. The result is the same--the person is guilty of breaking God’s law. And the Lord declares that He will not leave the guilty unpunished (Nahum 1:3).

Second, these concepts present an unbiblical picture of God’s payment for sin. In both cases of mortal and venial sin, forgiveness of the given transgression is dependent upon the offender making restitution of some type. In Roman Catholicism, this restitution may take the form of going to confession, praying a certain prayer, receiving the Eucharist, or another ritual of some type. The basic thought is that in order for Christ’s forgiveness to be applied to the offender, the offender must perform some work, and then the forgiveness is granted. The payment and forgiveness of the transgression is dependent upon the offender’s actions.got?

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Jesus said that if a person speaks bad words against the Son, it can be forgiven, but speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven:

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." (Matthew 12:32).​

So not all sin is the same.
 
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Well apart from being a polarising subject you mean?

I've switched from OSAS to the opposite. When you first become a Christian you feel you are invincible, but time and wisdom has taught me that what I once thought impossible to repeat (sin) was a constant factor in my life. I have watched others struggle with this and some failed and some succeeded.

Those that failed may come back, but some actually have gone on to oppose totally that which they once believed.

This is borne out by the scriptures. E.g. the parable of the sower includes a seed that grows but is swallowed by weeds.

So Jesus provided a once-and-for all sacrifice to save all people, but we have to keep hold of that, to run the race (as Paul says) or avoid becoming goats (as Jesus hints in the parable).

Following Jesus is not an event, it is a life-long process and only those that stick to it will reach the goal set before them.

I agree that enduring to the end is necessary. I think that to be the primary difference between my belief and basic OSAS view.

If you will I`d like you to share the scriptures that convince you OSAS is wrong. I`d like to consider them.
 
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Biblically, the concepts of mortal and venial sin present several problems: first of all, these concepts present an unbiblical picture of how God views sin. The Bible states that God will be just and fair in His punishment of sin and that on the day of judgment some sin will merit greater punishment than others (Matthew 11:22, 24; Luke 10:12, 14). But the fact is that all sin will be punished by God. The Bible teaches that all of us sin (Romans 3:23) and that the just compensation for sin is eternal death (Romans 6:23). Over and against the concepts of mortal and venial sin, the Bible does not state that some sins are worthy of eternal death whereas others are not. All sins are mortal sins in that even one sin makes the offender worthy of eternal separation from God.

The Apostle James articulates this fact in his letter (James 2:10): “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.” Notice his use of the word “stumbles.” It means to make a mistake or fall into error. James is painting a picture of a person who is trying to do the right thing and yet, perhaps unintentionally, commits a sin. What is the consequence? God, through His servant James, states when a person commits even unintentional sin, he is guilty of breaking the entire law. A good illustration of this fact is to picture a large window and understand that window to be God’s law. It doesn’t matter if a person throws a very small pebble through the window or several large boulders. The result is the same--the window is broken. In the same way, it doesn’t matter if a person commits one small sin or several huge ones. The result is the same--the person is guilty of breaking God’s law. And the Lord declares that He will not leave the guilty unpunished (Nahum 1:3).

Second, these concepts present an unbiblical picture of God’s payment for sin. In both cases of mortal and venial sin, forgiveness of the given transgression is dependent upon the offender making restitution of some type. In Roman Catholicism, this restitution may take the form of going to confession, praying a certain prayer, receiving the Eucharist, or another ritual of some type. The basic thought is that in order for Christ’s forgiveness to be applied to the offender, the offender must perform some work, and then the forgiveness is granted. The payment and forgiveness of the transgression is dependent upon the offender’s actions.got?

hope this helps !!!
Well since we are resorting to cutting and pasting information from websites, here you are:

Mortal and Venial Sin?
 
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to run the race (as Paul says)

I've decided Pauls race isn't a picture of salvation, but of rewards at the Bema. If he used it to picture salvation, it would contradict Romans 4:4 where anything earned is counted as debt, not grace
 
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...time and wisdom has taught me that what I once thought impossible to repeat (sin) was a constant factor in my life. I have watched others struggle with this and some failed and some succeeded.
Meaning that it's possible, after conversion, never to sin again (and thus earn salvation)??
 
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I would like to clear it up. As I said on another thread, To me how can you not believe in it? You have to keep being saved over and over again otherwise? So once isn't enough for you? That would seem to say that being saved is meaningless if you can't count on it to stick around.
Any theories, thoughts, etc?

Our salvation is a journey of faith in Christ, and works in Christ.

This is exactly what has always been taught by the Catholic Church, Western and Eastern rites, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, the Assyrian Church of the East, and is increasingly being understood and accepted by a growing number of non-denoms.

Sadly, the Reformers departed from this Truth, and began to try to figure out how a person might be justified by faith in Christ alone, apart from any works, even works within the context of faith in Christ.
 
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Biblically, the concepts of mortal and venial sin present several problems: first of all, these concepts present an unbiblical picture of how God views sin. The Bible states that God will be just and fair in His punishment of sin and that on the day of judgment some sin will merit greater punishment than others (Matthew 11:22, 24; Luke 10:12, 14). But the fact is that all sin will be punished by God. The Bible teaches that all of us sin (Romans 3:23) and that the just compensation for sin is eternal death (Romans 6:23). Over and against the concepts of mortal and venial sin, the Bible does not state that some sins are worthy of eternal death whereas others are not. All sins are mortal sins in that even one sin makes the offender worthy of eternal separation from God.

The Apostle James articulates this fact in his letter (James 2:10): “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.” Notice his use of the word “stumbles.” It means to make a mistake or fall into error. James is painting a picture of a person who is trying to do the right thing and yet, perhaps unintentionally, commits a sin. What is the consequence? God, through His servant James, states when a person commits even unintentional sin, he is guilty of breaking the entire law. A good illustration of this fact is to picture a large window and understand that window to be God’s law. It doesn’t matter if a person throws a very small pebble through the window or several large boulders. The result is the same--the window is broken. In the same way, it doesn’t matter if a person commits one small sin or several huge ones. The result is the same--the person is guilty of breaking God’s law. And the Lord declares that He will not leave the guilty unpunished (Nahum 1:3).

Second, these concepts present an unbiblical picture of God’s payment for sin. In both cases of mortal and venial sin, forgiveness of the given transgression is dependent upon the offender making restitution of some type. In Roman Catholicism, this restitution may take the form of going to confession, praying a certain prayer, receiving the Eucharist, or another ritual of some type. The basic thought is that in order for Christ’s forgiveness to be applied to the offender, the offender must perform some work, and then the forgiveness is granted. The payment and forgiveness of the transgression is dependent upon the offender’s actions.got?

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James 2:10 is in context to loving your brother and not all law in general. If we break one aspect of loving our brother then we break all of God's laws. James was rebuking a body of believers who were giving favor to the rich brethren and yet they did not give any favor to the poor brethren. That's the context, my friend. Yet, many today rip James 2:10 out of the Bible and or read it in a vacuum to fit a belief they want to be true.

Anyways, 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgiven us our sins. This means I need to confess to the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be forgiven. Forgiveness is dealing with salvation. So believers can potentially stumble into sin on rare occasion. But they do not have a mindset that they will always commit grievous sin in this life as a matter of fact, but they will fight and battle against sin in seeking to overcome mortal sin (as a part of eternal life). 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as He is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Walking in the light is loving your brother by the use of indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11. So we have to love our brother as a part of the cleansing blood of Jesus to save us. This of course is AFTER we are first saved by God's grace and in believing the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Paul says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God in 2 Corinthians 7:1.

How does 2 Corinthians 7:1 even work in your belief?

It simple doesn't.
 
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Meaning that it's possible, after conversion, never to sin again (and thus earn salvation)??

Not all sin is the same. There are grievous sins that lead unto spiritual death, and there are minor infractions or hidden faults that do not lead to spiritual death.

Grievous sin is another name for a "sin unto death"
(Note: To check out the reference to the "sin unto death," see: 1 John 5:16).
(i.e. death = spiritual death or the second death) (Note: The second death is destruction in the Lake of Fire - Revelation 21:8).

"And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;" (Genesis 18:20).​

Examples of Grievous Sin:

#1. Not loving God, and not loving your neighbor (For loving God and loving your neighbor is a part of eternal life; See: Luke 10:25-28 cf. Matthew 19:17-19; Not loving Jesus (God) means one is accursed, see: 1 Corinthians 16:22; As for not loving your neighbor, see the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:29-37), and then see number #5 below).

#2. Looking at a woman in lust = danger of being cast bodily into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30).

#3. Not forgiving = not being forgiven by the Father (Matthew 6:15).

#4. One can be condemned by their words (Matthew 12:37).

#5. Not helping the poor or the unfortunate = Going away into everlasting punishment (or everlasting fire) (Matthew 25:31-46).

#6. No man who puts his hand to the plow (i.e. one who spreads the gospel and teachings to lead men of God into holiness by His Word) and looks back (turns away from doing so) is fit for the Kingdom of God (Luke 9:62) (Note: See the KJV rendering on this verse).

#7. 1 John 3:15 says, "Whoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."

#8. Galatians 5:19-21 says, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Meaning, those who do these kinds of sins will not inherit (enter) God's kingdom (i.e. they will not be saved). For entering God's kingdom is associated with salvation in Matthew 25:34 (Note: Paul is mentioning the violation of the Moral Law. The Moral Law is the same equivalent as loving your neighbor; See Romans 13:8-10).

#9. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8).

Minor infractions or faults of character is another name for a "sin not unto death" (i.e. not unto death = not unto spiritual death or the second death) (Note: While the "sin not unto death" mentioned in 1 John 5:17 is in context to confessed sin in John's epistle (See: 1 John 1:9), it can be extended loosely to refer to the kind of sins that do not lead to spiritual death by it's very name).

"Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults."
(Psalms 19:12).​

Examples of Sins That Do Not Lead Unto Spiritual Death:

#1. 1 John 5:17 mentions the "sin not unto death."
In context to 1 John 5: This would be talking about confessed grievous sin that one is striving to overcome with the Lord's help (1 John 2:1) (1 John 1:9) (Romans 13:14). In 1 John 5, the brethren are praying for this believer to have victory (life) over their sin as this believer confesses their sin (Note: Grievous sin are sins the Bible warns with punishment by hellfire, or spiritual death, etc.; These would be sins like murder, hate, adultery, theft, idolatry, etc.). If these sins are confessed with the intention of forsaking them, the individual is not abiding in spiritual death.

#2. Psalms 19:12 says, "Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults." I believe these would be faults of character or minor errors that a person might make with people. Example: A person may not be a great listener, and they do not allow others to speak like they should. By not listening to others may come off a little like they do not care (even though they care in their own way or a different way). Paul wanted to go to Jerusalem. The Spirit warned Paul not to go. He was still determined to go because he loved His fellow Jews and wanted them to know the love of Jesus. The Spirit told the brethren that Paul will be imprisoned by his going to Jerusalem. The brethren warned Paul not to go. They were in tears and loved him and begged him not to go. But Paul did not listen. He would not hear them. He did not want to hear it. Fault of character. Hidden fault. Minor error of his character. It is not something that condemned him (See Acts of the Apostles 21, and read this article here by Ray Stedman; Note: There is even a better write up than this one by Bible commentator James Boice here; Please keep in mind I do not share their views on Soteriology, though; I merely agree with their view on what happened with Paul in Acts of the Apostles 21).

#3. The Command to Be Baptized.
Paul says Christ sent him not to baptize but to preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:17). If it was essential to salvation, then why would Paul say something like this? In 1 Peter 3:21: Peter says baptism is not for the putting away of the filth of the flesh. If you were to turn to 2 Corinthians 7:1, you would see that it uses similar wording ("filthiness of the flesh") that is clearly in reference to sin. So Peter is saying that baptism is not for the putting away of "sin" [i.e. filth of the flesh]. In other words, baptism is not a command that if disobeyed, leads to spiritual death.

#4. Other Commands in the New Testament that do not seem like a major violation of loving God and loving your neighbor that have no death penalties attached to them. One example would be the command to Rejoice when men persecute you or falsely accuse you of evil in Matthew 5:11-12.

Real world examples: Going 5 miles per hour over the speed limit in area that is not life threatening to others. Not taking out the trash yesterday when it was a little stinky. These minor transgressions would obviously not send a Christian to hell.

But we as Christians strive to obey and do good in all things in the Lord. We strive to keep His commandments. For it is written,

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.' (1 John 5:3).​


Side Note:

Please understand that it is not possible for a person to obey God's commands without them first being saved by Jesus Christ and His grace (i.e. by seeking forgiveness of their sin with Him, and believing in His death, and resurrection on their behalf). For Christians are initially and ultimately saved by Jesus Christ.
 
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