Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

clefty said:

Some of us have accepted His calendar includes the showtimes for His former Temple...

it is after all His calendar...and His times and Laws...and not Julian Rome or Gregory’s that matters

Turkey was last country to accept Greg’s...1926

Some things take time with man his traditions...

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I don’t even know who “Greg” is

BNR32FAN said:

Sabbath keepers who taught that it was necessary for salvation? Who were they? What was the name of their church or denomination?

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The denomination is called the Holy Bible. The scripture came from Gods own hand. Jesus also asked us to keep the commandments of God and kept the Sabbath as God commanded. Shouldn't that trump ALL dominations? Should we follow the traditions of man or God? The Seventh-day Adventist church follows the teachings of the Bible and the Bible should be above all other sources, including the church I belong to (SDA).

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (why would the devil be enraged by keeping the commandments of God if they were wiped out?)

And in God's own commandment
Exodus 20
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

1 John 2:4 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

2 John 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

Just a few, I can keep going..... I think these scriptures are really important. I would pray on it. It's important to God which means I think we should make it important to us.

BNR32FAN said:

I have read Galatians myself several times and we were discussing chapter 2 which had absolutely nothing to do with idols or false gods. Even in Paul’s opening statements he is rebuking the Galatians for their acceptance of the Judaizers who were seeking to mix Christ’s atonement with obedience to the law and continues to do so all the way thru the entire epistle to chapter 6. I never said they were “returning to God” I said they were practicing Judaism which is justification by obedience to the law.

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That is what "many", who come in Christ's Name preach. But to believe this religious philosophy, I would have to believe that the Pharisees were guilty because they obeyed God, and taught to obey God. To believe this, I would have to completely disregard the entire Law and Prophets, inspired by the Christ of the Bible, who dedicated volumes of Scriptures to point out that the problem with the Religious leaders of that time was their disobedience to God's Laws, not their obedience as your religious philosophy promotes.

I would also have to reject and ignore "EVERY WORD" Jesus himself said about, and defined the Pharisees by.

And for what purpose? To belittle God's Laws as the "Beggarly Elements" and "Yoke of Bondage" the religions of the Land preach God's Laws are? And replace them with modern religions own high days and their own "instruction in righteousness" just as the Jews of HIS Time did.

Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. (Another scripture I must ignore if I follow popular religious philosophy)

But if a man acknowledges the truth as Jesus describes, that the Religious leaders of that time, like the pagans they lived among, were promoting religious philosophies saturated with man made idols, man made high days, man made Laws and doctrines they called the "Law of Moses", while at the same Time rejecting God's Definition of Holy, Clean, Good and Righteous, then you understand Galatians in a different light. One that agrees with ALL Scripture.

Gal. 2: 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? ( Transgressing the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions)

Your confusion comes from not understanding what the "Works of the Law" that the Jews were promoting for atonement or "justification" are.

When a man sinned, Moses didn't tell them to "keep the Sabbath Holy, or Love your neighbor as yourself, (Law of Moses) as "many" imply the Jews were trying to preach to the Galatians. God told Moses to require those who sinned to bring a sin offering to the Levite Priest who would then perform sacrificial "Works" before forgiveness could be given. God, of course, knew this was a Temporary Law, "ADDED" till the Seed should come.

Since the corrupt Pharisees didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah, they were still promoting a religion which required their version of these obsolete "Works of the Law" for justification. A Law the Christ Himself promised to replace in Jer. 31.

Paul understood and taught this.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (another scripture I would have to ignore in order to follow the religious philosophy of modern religious man)

And again;

1 Cor. 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. ( Another scripture which exposes the whole "God's Laws are Beggarly Element" religious philosophy as untrue)

When a man believes all that is written, they "see" the Gospel that the Children of Israel didn't mix with Faith when it was taught to them. Examples for our admonition.

Gal. 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

This is true for Jews, the mainstream preachers of Paul's time, "teaching for doctrines the commandments of men", as Jesus described their religion, and also Gentiles who also followed man made religious "Ways" and not the "Way of the Lord".

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

This would be like me turning to the religious high days and observances of the religions of the land I was born into, after Jesus atoned for my transgressions of God's Commandments with HIS Own Blood, while I was yet in Egypt/sin.

10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Paul isn't taking about the Feasts of the Christ here. As he said;

1 Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, (disobedience) that ye may be a new lump, (obedience, Faithful Sons of God) as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, (Like the Pharisees) neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (Like all the Examples of Faith in the Bible)

And again;

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (Lord of the Sabbath Days)

And again;

Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you (As a Judiazer, or unfaithful) in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

All of which are from the Christ in the First place, not traditions of men or rudiments of the world as ":many" preach.

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility ( To who? Religious doctrines and traditions of the religions were were born into? or God?), or and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he (Pharisees) hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

We have a fundamental disagreement regarding the origin and content of the Gospel of Christ, just as Paul and the mainstream preachers of his time had a fundamental disagreement regarding the Gospel of Christ.

Like Zacharias, Jesus and Paul, I believe "ALL" that is written in the Law and Prophets. Not a popular position in the religions of the land I was born into.

BNR32FAN said:

Thanks for your kind words. I came to Christ in my church, I was baptized and received the a Holy Spirit in my church, and I have become a new creation dead to my old self and my old ways. I love my church family and I can see Christ working in them. I see no reason to leave. The Holy Spirit is at work in me and my church and I feel no conviction from Him concerning the Sabbath. So I’m going to keep honoring God the way that I believe is right. There’s certainly nothing wrong with worshipping on Saturday but unfortunately I’m expected to work Saturdays in my company and I’m never expected to work on Sunday. So Sunday worship is better suited for my situation. Thanks for your prayers & God bless you brother.

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Just a thought, pray about wanting to keep the Sabbath and see what God can do for you about your Saturday work situation. It's amazing what He can work out when we want to obey His loving commandments. I'll pray for you. God Bless.

Studyman said:

Where is it written in the entire Bible where the Pharisees were following the Laws of God? What is "Judaism" in your philosophy? Was Jesus a Judaiser?

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Where is it written in any of my posts that I claimed the Pharisees followed the laws of God? They were hypocrites who pretended to keep His laws but inwardly they were wicked and greedy. Judaizers were Christians who taught that the Mosaic law must also be kept in order to receive salvation. No Jesus was not a Judaizer because he did not keep the Mosaic law. He did not stone the adulterous woman or rebuke His apostles who were picking grain on the Sabbath. Jesus knew the difference between God’s commandments and the Mosaic law. The Mosaic law has many stipulations that were added in order to coincide with God’s commandments. They added interpretations to better define God’s commandments like for example what is considered to be work on the Sabbath? What they considered to be work was much more restricting than what God has originally intended.

BNR32FAN said:

I do

“"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”
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I work 6 days and rest on the 7th day.

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Sunday is not the "seventh day".

BNR32FAN said:

Nowhere in any of those verses does Paul say the “Mosaic shadow law”. Again he said the law is a shadow of that is to come. Interestingly enough Paul included the Sabbath day as one of these “shadow laws” along with the dietary laws.

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Really? Well that is not true but lets see why? Happy to go through each verse with you if you like. Let's start with verse 1...

HEBREWS 10:1 [1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

I asked you this question earlier but you ignored it. Do you still make animal sacrifices every time you sin? If not why not? What does our very first scripture mean? Is the scripture context of Hebrews 10 talking about "Shadow laws"; YES/NO? Are these laws for remission of sins Mosaic laws of the old covenant; YES/NO? If you answers are yes then how does then how can you claim in your words "Nowhere in any of those verses does Paul say the “Mosaic shadow law”. Goodness dear friend we have only started on verse one of the chapter and it already seems God's Word disagrees with you.

BNR32FAN said:

“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

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Indeed here you go more shadow laws. So let's examine the detail. Don't want to find ourselves in sin breaking God's law. What sabbaths [plural] is Paul talking about in Colossians 2? Did you know that there are many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament that could fall on any day of the week that were not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments? For example was Paul talking about...

1. The Sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *Leviticus 23:6-8
2. The Sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *Leviticus 23:27-32
3. The Sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *Leviticus 23:24-25?
4. The Sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *Leviticus 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *Leviticus 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The Sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *Leviticus 25:2
8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *leviticus 25:9-54

Why do we no longer keep many of these sabbaths that can fall on any day of the week that are not one of God's 4th commandment?

9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *Exodus 20:8-11 from Genesis 2:1-3

Do you know where Paul is quoting from in Colossians 2:16-17 from the old testament scriptures?

So many question, so many answers. Pulling scriptures from context and surface reading is the practice of those talked about in 2 Peter 3:16. That is not where we want to be as Gods' people. Let's prayerfully seek God's Spirit to understand his Word. Ignoring it does not make it disappear.

BNR32FAN said:

Brother it’s already happened in Acts 15

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What are the shadow laws and what are Gods' eternal laws that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Does it not concern you that if we knowingly break God's eternal laws it will keep us out of God's kingdom? What do you think Hebrews 10:26-31 and Matthew 7:21-23 are talking about?

BNR32FAN said:

Brother it’s already happened in Acts 15

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What happened in Act 15 and what are you claiming is passed away from what JESUS says in Matthew 5:17-20? Are you claiming that JESUS was not telling the truth?

BNR32FAN said:

Evidently His truth was completely absent from His church for 1500 years according to you.

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What does that even mean?

BNR32FAN said:

Paul didn’t make any distinction between the Sabbath days. There’s nothing conclusive in this commentary only a person’s opinion which is contrary to the opinion of the church the apostles established. Just because Paul said Sabbaths plural form doesn’t mean the weekly Sabbath was not included. That’s just a person’s opinion to support his theology, it’s inconclusive evidence.

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Sure he did. Paul did indeed make a distinction. What is the context of Colossians 2:16 and what sabbaths are being discussed in verse 16? Yep those sabbaths of the annual feast days that are shadows of things to come not Gods 10 commandment.

imge said:

I'm going to pray for you. The scripture is there, I would also suggest you pray about it. What if you're wrong, what do you have to lose? Accordingly to the beliefs on this forum, what SDA's have to lose is our time, dedicated to keeping God commandments and His Sabbath day. What do people who reject Gods commandments have to lose according to the Bible. Something to pray on.

God Bless.

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I very much like this post sis. Thanks for sharing it as I think it goes right to the heart of the matter. In times of ignorance God does not hold us accountable for sin until he gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word and we reject it. This is shown in the scriptures in Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and Hebrews 10:26-31. God has His people in every church according to the scriptures who are living up to all the knowledge of His Word that he has revealed to them and He knows that many people have been deceived by the teachings handed down to Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church foretold in Danial 7:25. The hour is come and now is says JESUS that God is calling his people out where ever they may be from following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9 back to the pure Word of God as God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 10:16; John 4:23-24. BABYLON (Christianity) has fallen. God is calling us to come out and return to him (the Word) and to follow him through his Word. If we deny God's Word he will deny us. It is only those who follow God's Word that love him and are his Sheep *John 14:15; John 10:26-27. What many do not realize by breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is that and God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments is that doing so will keep us out of God's kingdom according to the scriptures *Hebrews 10:26-31; Matthew 7:21-23. It is the many that are going to be disappointed come judgement day.

Something to pray about indeed.

BNR32FAN said:

Thanks for your kind words. I came to Christ in my church, I was baptized and received the a Holy Spirit in my church, and I have become a new creation dead to my old self and my old ways. I love my church family and I can see Christ working in them. I see no reason to leave. The Holy Spirit is at work in me and my church and I feel no conviction from Him concerning the Sabbath. So I’m going to keep honoring God the way that I believe is right. There’s certainly nothing wrong with worshipping on Saturday but unfortunately I’m expected to work Saturdays in my company and I’m never expected to work on Sunday. So Sunday worship is better suited for my situation. Thanks for your prayers & God bless you brother.

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In times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at but what God gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word he calls us to believe and follow it. *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17. According to the scriptures if we reject God's Word and harden our heart to God's Word *Hebrews 3:8; 15; Hebrews 4:7 when he has given us a knowledge of the truth of his Word then the scriptures teach that we are then held accountable for sin (breaking God's commandments and not believing God's Word) and there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come *Hebrews 10:26-31. God's is not willing that anyone should perish but that all should be saved and is long suffering towards us all *2 Peter 3:9 and God's Spirit does not give up on us knocking at the door of the heart. It is up to us however to open that door and let JESUS in by believing and following God's Word. If we ignore Gods' knocking and pleading with us eventually that knocking is going to stop. Yes according to the scriptures, we can harden our hearts, close our eyes and ears to hearing and seeing God's Word and reject him who calls us in love to love another but there are consequences to those actions and his reward is with him *Revelation 22:11-12. Those who are called God's Saints and are born again through the Spirit are according to Gods word are those who keep His commandments *1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. What we are discussing here that we need to be mindful and prayerful about is that are we rejecting God's Word. If you are right I will see you by Gods grace in His Kingdom. If you are wrong however. We will not meet again.

Something to pray about.

Studyman said:

That is what "many", who come in Christ's Name preach. But to believe this religious philosophy, I would have to believe that the Pharisees were guilty because they obeyed God, and taught to obey God.

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Not hardly...

“saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men. But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. But the greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted. "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. [ Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation. ] "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves. "Woe to you, blind guides, who say, 'Whoever swears by the temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.' You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold? And, 'Whoever swears by the altar, that is nothing, but whoever swears by the offering on it, he is obligated.' You blind men, which is more important, the offering, or the altar that sanctifies the offering? Therefore, whoever swears by the altar, swears both by the altar and by everything on it. And whoever swears by the temple, swears both by the temple and by Him who dwells within it. And whoever swears by heaven, swears both by the throne of God and by Him who sits upon it. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, and say, 'If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell? "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.”
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BNR32FAN said:

Sabbath keepers who taught that it was necessary for salvation? Who were they? What was the name of their church or denomination?

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Well in the first century it was known as a sect known as "the Way" then after that it was known as "the Heretics" I think...

not sure might have to google it yourself...

BNR32FAN said:

I don’t even know who “Greg” is

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Really? Wow...guess I overestimated you...lol

Studyman said:

But if a man acknowledges the truth as Jesus describes, that the Religious leaders of that time, like the pagans they lived among, were promoting religious philosophies saturated with man made idols, man made high days, man made Laws and doctrines they called the "Law of Moses", while at the same Time rejecting God's Definition of Holy, Clean, Good and Righteous, then you understand Galatians in a different light. One that agrees with ALL Scripture.

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There are no pharisees mentioned in the entire book of Galatians. They were Jews that came from James.

clefty said:

Well in the first century it was known as a sect known as "the Way" then after that it was known as "the Heretics" I think...

not sure might have to google it yourself...

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The only religious groups I find called The Way were established in the early 20th century.

BNR32FAN said:

The only religious groups I find called The Way were established in the early 20th century.

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is why I suggested GOOGLE...

“The Way” is mentioned several times in the book of Acts (Acts 9:2; 19:9, 23; 22:4; 24:14, 22)

You really do think you don't need to work...lol...

it's still six days then the seventh rest...

BNR32FAN said:

There are no pharisees mentioned in the entire book of Galatians. They were Jews that came from James.

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and they came to Antioch PRIOR the conclusion of Acts 15...which was that Moses would still be heard every Sabbath...oh AS LONG AS 4 other things were respected...all 4 ALREADY expected of those not of Jacob since this ekklesia received the living oracles at Sinai...

Paul even circumcised AFTER this...odd if Acts 15 indeed ABOLISHED circumcision...imagine if the gentiles WISHED to do so like so many men desire body modification for vanity sake...I mean American hospitals still do...but not for vanity sake...I think...or for salvation...

for which circumcision NEVER was...

but keeping one law means keeping them all right? glad the uncircumcised don't need to keep ANY...or?

you're like the kid who hates the rules of the very game he is playing...always insisting "UNFAIR!"...lol

wishing to change them by popular vote and then resenting those who remember the original ones...