Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

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His truth remains

or by majority opinion only?

1600 years and more man believed rotten meat birthed flies...years later germs were “discovered”

Sabbath keepers were throughout...

So what your saying is there was no church that taught that we must keep the Saturday Sabbath during this 1500 year span. Your saying that the gates of hell prevailed over Christ’s church and every single church established by the apostles fell to heresy even despite their enduring persecution and martyrdom in their devotion to preserving God’s word and spreading the gospel to all nations. And all of these thousands upon thousands of devoted servants of God spanned out over thousands of miles apart just all the sudden agreed to teaching a false gospel with no evidence of resistance whatsoever. I can’t even fathom how such a wide spread and total conspiracy could even be imaginable. That these people who suffered and endured so much for the spreading of the gospel would ALL just agree to preaching a false gospel with no resistance. Nobody stepped up and said hey this isn’t right. Truly amazing.
 
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“It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is. But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished. I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves. For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, " YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:1-26‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

you hung all that on a broken hanger...the hanger breaks when you falsely claim Sabbath is kept to become justified...we REMEMEBER the seventh day Sabbath BECAUSE we believe in WHAT HE DID for us to be justified...HE DID IT ALL...having included the rest made for man...and now we wish to Love AS He loved us...with a seventh day Sabbath rest...as to LIVE AS HE LIVE...is to fulfill the law as well...

to establish the Law our faith does NOT make void...but helps others see what is expected of His people who He saved...giving them His living oracles...including that seventh day rest...

you keep peddling the Jewish false witness that "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered"...don't believe Jewish fables OK? Titus 1:14
 
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“All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor. Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience' sake; FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD'S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS. If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience' sake. But if anyone says to you, "This is meat sacrificed to idols," do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience' sake; I mean not your own conscience, but the other man's; for why is my freedom judged by another's conscience? If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks? Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God; just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:23-33‬ ‭NASB

context:

1 Cor 10:3...They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them, for they were struck down in the wilderness.…

so I guess you still have it that dog rat pig flesh is now ok?

right...so what else do you NOT ask after to be sure you do not represent Him AS HE LIVED FOR US AND TAUGHT WE FOLLOW...as we are to go into ALL "teaching to observe ALL I commanded"...

Love AS HE LOVED US...is indeed NOT seeking for your own good but that of your neighbor...

BTW...That meat market is not a marketplace to a pagan god's temple...and that "eat anything" does NOT include dog rat pig human flesh ok?
 
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So what your saying is there was no church that taught that we must keep the Saturday Sabbath during this 1500 year span. Your saying that the gates of hell prevailed over Christ’s church and every single church established by the apostles fell to heresy even despite their enduring persecution and martyrdom in their devotion to preserving God’s word and spreading the gospel to all nations. And all of these thousands upon thousands of devoted servants of God spanned out over thousands of miles apart just all the sudden agreed to teaching a false gospel with no evidence of resistance whatsoever. I can’t even fathom how such a wide spread and total conspiracy could even be imaginable. That these people who suffered and endured so much for the spreading of the gospel would ALL just agree to preaching a false gospel with no resistance. Nobody stepped up and said hey this isn’t right. Truly amazing.

yup...and yet...here we are...HalleluYah...

Christendom even remains divided over leavened or unleavened bread...lol
 
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So what your saying is there was no church that taught that we must keep the Saturday Sabbath during this 1500 year span. Your saying that the gates of hell prevailed over Christ’s church and every single church established by the apostles fell to heresy even despite their enduring persecution and martyrdom in their devotion to preserving God’s word and spreading the gospel to all nations. And all of these thousands upon thousands of devoted servants of God spanned out over thousands of miles apart just all the sudden agreed to teaching a false gospel with no evidence of resistance whatsoever. I can’t even fathom how such a wide spread and total conspiracy could even be imaginable. That these people who suffered and endured so much for the spreading of the gospel would ALL just agree to preaching a false gospel with no resistance. Nobody stepped up and said hey this isn’t right. Truly amazing.
It is truly amazing. Just like it is right now when scripture is presented in the Bible that is clear as day, yet people still want to reject it to follow the traditions of man. It's not just a scripture here or there it is scripture throughout the entire Bible. God puts a lot of emphasis on loving Him and keeping His commandments. There is a lot of emphasis on salvation by keeping the commandments. Right before the second coming one of the last verses in the Bibles again says:

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (why would the devil be enraged by keeping the commandments of God if they were wiped out?)

And in God's own commandments
Exodus 20
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Again, the path is narrow and few find it. We all still have a chance to get on the narrow path and follow the commandments of God.




Why don't more people keep the Sabbath if its so important? | Sabbath Truth
When Christianity debuted in the world, the people of the day, both Jews and Greeks, had much to say about it being a new doctrine.

When Christ rebuked an evil spirit, commanding it to come out of a man, the people “were all amazed, so that they questioned among themselves, saying, ‘What is this? What new doctrine is this?’ ” (Mark 1:27). When Paul came to Athens and began to preach Christianity, the people inquired, “May we know what this new doctrine is of which you speak?” (Acts 17:19).

Various other passages could be given showing that the teachings of Christianity were considered new and strange.

In the heart of the Reformation in the sixteenth century, the most common argument against the teachings of the Reformers was that they were new. The argument was similar to the one we are addressing here in this article; they said, "If what you Reformers say is true, how is it that these doctrines were not discovered before?"

But did such charges against Christ, the apostles, and the Reformers prove that their teachings were not of God? When Christ or His disciples were confronted with the charge, they always denied it, declaring that they did not preach new, strange doctrines, but that, as Paul affirmed, they preached “no other things than those which the prophets and Moses said would come” (Acts 26:22).

When the charge was made against the Reformers, they proceeded to show from the Bible that the doctrines they preached were not new but ancient.

As we read history, we marvel at the charges made against Christ and the Reformers, wondering why people were so slow to discern truths that now seem so evident. But the fact that they were so slow is not an indictment against true doctrines, but of faulty human reasoning and hearts.

The Sabbath doctrine is not new; it is as old as creation. Although this Sabbath truth was suppressed for centuries and did not burst forth again until relatively modern times, there has never been a time when a faithful few did not keep it—many times at the risk of their lives. Likewise, the truth of righteousness by faith was almost wholly lost for more than a thousand years and did not burst forth again until the sixteenth century!

Why don’t more thought leaders believe this Sabbath truth? What of the thought leaders in the days of Christ? It was the common people who heard Christ gladly, and His disciples were ordinary people, such as fishermen. The thought leaders of Christ’s time endeavored to argue people out of accepting Christ by inquiring, “Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believed in Him?” (John 7:48).

What was it that Paul declared to the early believers? “You see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called” (1 Corinthians 1:26). And what about all the thought leaders in the time of the Reformation? Church dignitaries were spending their time trying to catch Martin Luther and others, to burn them.

It is true that God has among thought leaders many honest hearts, and that from their ranks will finally be drawn strong believers in the Sabbath. But even if none should believe, the seventh day would still be the Sabbath of the Lord, for no man is big enough to change God’s Commandments.

Adapted from Francis D. Nichol, Answers to Objections, 253, 254.
 
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Evidently His truth was completely absent from His church for 1500 years according to you.

you keep missing there were Sabbath keepers THROUGHOUT...but the minority voice...

like around here...and rejected...like by you

Carlstadt who was Luther's professor was a Sabbath keeper...

but also removing images and the organ from his church well...he was considered TOO EXTREME...

imagine telling Germans NEIN about their swine meats...lol

you miss the ENMITY Jews had for unclean goyim...and then the anti semitism of the early church...to divorce itself of all things "Jewish"
 
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Was never mentioned in the entire chapter.

right because HE NEVER SERVED IT...thus it's not even in the entire NT...

you would think of all those manuscripts they could come up with something better than a mere addition of "He thus made all foods clean"

(Thus he declared all foods clean) Part 1 | Mark 7:19

even 40 days 5 weekends after the cross He spent time with His...would have been a GREAT time to say..."BTW guys Sabbath is done away with...rest every day...oh and eat whatever"

HAD He said that...it would have been news worthy...

and then the Jews claiming Stephen taught Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered would NOT be a FALSE WITNESS...

but it WAS a FALSE WITNESS because HE did NOT do such...in fact He insisted "think NOT THAT" but here you are...
 
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Let’s first take a look at the apostle Paul's words in Colossians 2:14–17: “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.”

When some read about the sabbath days that were shadows and that passed away at the cross, they think that Paul was referring to the weekly Sabbath, the fourth of the Ten Commandments. Is this accurate? It’s important to get this right, because our interpretation of the apostle’s actual meaning can lead us into deeper truth or into deeper error.


Two Sabbaths


First, there is nothing in the Ten Commandment law about food, drink, festivals, new moons, or sabbath days (plural). All these were actually separate laws that God gave for the physical and spiritual health of His Old Testament people; these were called ceremonial laws.


Second, Paul wrote plainly that he was speaking of “sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come,” and not of the weekly Sabbath, which is a memorial of something that happened in the past, at the creation. The contrast between a shadow and a memorial is quite clear. Indeed, the fourth commandment does not tell us to keep the seventh day as a type of something to come. It says: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:8, 11).

Moreover, to show that he had something other than the weekly Sabbath in mind, Paul distinctly mentioned “sabbaths,” plural,” which are a shadow of things to come.” (The word “sabbath” in the Greek can be singular or plural according to Strong’s and Greek lexicons.)


Festivals and Shadows


The King James uses the word “holyday,” and some will contend that it refers to the weekly Sabbath, while the expression “sabbath days” refers to yearly sabbaths. The American Standard Version uses “feast day” instead of “holyday,” and this likely a clearer translation. The word translated “holyday” is from the Greek heorte, and in John 5:1, this same word is used to designate one of the yearly festivals of the Jews: “After this there was a feast [heorte] of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.” This is one of the holy days that Paul spoke of as having been nailed to the cross.


The “shadows” Paul mentions pointed to Jesus as a Savior from sin and were observed with that in mind. But the weekly Sabbath was made for man before sin entered into the world, before man would need atonement. The shadows pointing forward to His death as an atonement for sin certainly were not instituted until after sin. Therefore, since the weekly Sabbath was instituted before sin, just as was the marriage institution, it was not a shadow of Christ’s death as a Savior from sin; and His death did not end the Sabbath day any more than it brought marriage to an end. Both the Sabbath and marriage came to us in a perfect world.

Paul’s language shows he was referencing the shadowy ceremonies that pointed forward to and ended at the cross. Notice again, carefully, his words in Colossians 2:14: “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” Paul mentions that these laws were “against us” and “contrary” to us. Would it be contrary to Christians to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain, dishonoring parents, murder, theft, adultery, lying, and coveting—the sins rebuked by the Ten Commandments? Thus, the apostle must have been talking of another law—a law that enjoined food offerings, drink offerings, the observance of festivals, new moons, and yearly sabbaths.


Why Are These Laws Contrary to Us?


Why would the observance of these ceremonies after the death of Christ be contrary to the Christian faith? The yearly sabbath of the Passover involved killing a lamb that represented Jesus, the Lamb of God. The apostle Paul taught directly, “Indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us" (1 Corinthians 5:7). Thus, to keep offering a sacrificial lamb after His death would be to imply that Jesus had not accomplished atonement. Such an observance would be contrary to the teachings of Christianity.


Many other shadowy requirements of the ceremonial law pointed to the death of Jesus on the cross, as well. All these festivals, food and drink offerings, and sabbaths that were nailed to the cross, Paul declared to be “a shadow of things to come.” Then he adds, "But the substance is of Christ." That is, the substance that cast these shadows was Christ’s body on the cross.

Think of it this way—late in the afternoon when a tall tree casts its shadow eastward, one can begin at the farthest end of the shadow and follow it until he or she gets to the tree that casts the shadow, and there the shadow ceases to be. Likewise, we can go back to the time when “through one man [Adam] sin entered the world, and death through sin,” and there a merciful God promised to send a Redeemer (Genesis 3:15), a Substitute, to die in man’s place. To keep man continually reminded of this fact, and to supply him with a means of expressing his faith in the coming sacrifice, God instituted these ceremonies. All of these were included in the law that was not written on tables of stone.

Follow these shadowy ceremonies all the way from Eden to the time of Moses, and then through the wilderness journey and on for hundreds of years after the settlement in Canaan, and at last to Calvary—and there they cease. So it would be "against us" and "contrary" to our faith to observe these ceremonies after Jesus' death. Not so with the other law. It is just as necessary to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain, dishonoring the Sabbath, murder, adultery, and theft after the cross as before. Indeed, it was the violation of these principles that caused the death of Christ. Could they have been set aside or changed to accommodate the carnal mind, Jesus need not have died.

Now with these truths before us, let us again read Colossians 2:14–17 and see how plainly Paul revealed that he did not mean that the weekly seventh-day Sabbath had been nailed to the cross: "Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

Doesn't Colossians 2:14 wipe out the weekly Sabbath? | Sabbath Truth

Paul didn’t make any distinction between the Sabbath days. There’s nothing conclusive in this commentary only a person’s opinion which is contrary to the opinion of the church the apostles established. Just because Paul said Sabbaths plural form doesn’t mean the weekly Sabbath was not included. That’s just a person’s opinion to support his theology, it’s inconclusive evidence.
 
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Paul didn’t make any distinction between the Sabbath days. There’s nothing conclusive in this commentary only a person’s opinion which is contrary to the opinion of the church the apostles established. Just because Paul said Sabbaths plural form doesn’t mean the weekly Sabbath was not included. That’s just a person’s opinion to support his theology, it’s inconclusive evidence.
I'm going to pray for you. The scripture is there, I would also suggest you pray about it. What if you're wrong, what do you have to lose? Accordingly to the beliefs on this forum, what SDA's have to lose is our time, dedicated to keeping God commandments and His Sabbath day. What do people who reject Gods commandments have to lose according to the Bible. Something to pray on.

God Bless.
 
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Paul didn’t make any distinction between the Sabbath days. There’s nothing conclusive in this commentary only a person’s opinion which is contrary to the opinion of the church the apostles established. Just because Paul said Sabbaths plural form doesn’t mean the weekly Sabbath was not included. That’s just a person’s opinion to support his theology, it’s inconclusive evidence.

Some of us have accepted His calendar includes the showtimes for His former Temple...

it is after all His calendar...and His times and Laws...and not Julian Rome or Gregory’s that matters

Turkey was last country to accept Greg’s...1926

Some things take time with man his traditions...
 
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Exactly what was yet to be determined?

That Gentiles were allowed to eat meat offered to idols as long as they don’t know...or ask about it...

Written in 55AD to Corinth after the Acts 15 council which was after the letter to Galatians which was after the correction of Peter...

But you wish to claim dog meat was on the menu at Antioch which Peter partook...

Or was it rat stew?

Bat burgers? Hmmm...what if China was more clean in its eating

how many illnesses would we avoid?
 
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I'm going to pray for you. The scripture is there, I would also suggest you pray about it. What if you're wrong, what do you have to lose? Accordingly to the beliefs on this forum, what SDA's have to lose is our time, dedicated to keeping God commandments and His Sabbath day. What do people who reject Gods commandments have to lose according to the Bible. Something to pray on.

God Bless.

Thanks for your kind words. I came to Christ in my church, I was baptized and received the a Holy Spirit in my church, and I have become a new creation dead to my old self and my old ways. I love my church family and I can see Christ working in them. I see no reason to leave. The Holy Spirit is at work in me and my church and I feel no conviction from Him concerning the Sabbath. So I’m going to keep honoring God the way that I believe is right. There’s certainly nothing wrong with worshipping on Saturday but unfortunately I’m expected to work Saturdays in my company and I’m never expected to work on Sunday. So Sunday worship is better suited for my situation. Thanks for your prayers & God bless you brother.
 
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But Galatians isn’t about returning to their own vomit Galatians is about returning to Judaism.

Where is it written in the entire Bible where the Pharisees were following the Laws of God? What is "Judaism" in your philosophy? Was Jesus a Judaiser?

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Is this an example of Judaism in your view?

How is it people who "don't know God" in Galatians were "returning" to obedience to a God they didn't know, when there were doing service to those who were not gods?

I know your version of Gal. is what is taught in the religions of the land, but read it for yourself. How can you preach they were "returning" to God when they did service to those, before they knew God, who were no gods?

This is just like the false preaching about Matt. 5, that the "Them of old time" was God and Moses, and not the Shepherds God placed over Israel who corrupted and became partial in HIS Laws.

As it is written "A Little Leaven leavens the whole lump".
 
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Where is it written in the entire Bible where the Pharisees were following the Laws of God? What is "Judaism" in your philosophy? Was Jesus a Judaiser?

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Is this an example of Judaism in your view?

How is it people who "don't know God" in Galatians were "returning" to obedience to a God they didn't know, when there were doing service to those who were not gods?

I know your version of Gal. is what is taught in the religions of the land, but read it for yourself. How can you preach they were "returning" to God when they did service to those, before they knew God, who were no gods?

This is just like the false preaching about Matt. 5, that the "Them of old time" was God and Moses, and not the Shepherds God placed over Israel who corrupted and became partial in HIS Laws.

As it is written "A Little Leaven leavens the whole lump".

I have read Galatians myself several times and we were discussing chapter 2 which had absolutely nothing to do with idols or false gods. Even in Paul’s opening statements he is rebuking the Galatians for their acceptance of the Judaizers who were seeking to mix Christ’s atonement with obedience to the law and continues to do so all the way thru the entire epistle to chapter 6. I never said they were “returning to God” I said they were practicing Judaism which is justification by obedience to the law.
 
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Another change to God’s commandments? How could this be? Lol

What change? You think this was a new law a change from prior?

You think in the OT they could eat food offered to idols?

Exodus 34:15

otherwise you might make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land and they would play the harlot with their gods and sacrifice to their gods, and someone might invite you to eat of his sacrifice,

Lev 17:8 “Say to them: ‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice 9 and does not bring it to the entrance to the tent of meeting to sacrifice it to the Lord must be cut off from the people of Israel.

Already when this ekklesia received the living oracles at Sinai there were those not of Jacob

The disciples referenced these for their conclusion in Acts 15

As indeed James concluded the rest of Moses would continue to be heard by them on Sabbaths
 
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you keep missing there were Sabbath keepers THROUGHOUT...but the minority voice...

like around here...and rejected...like by you

Carlstadt who was Luther's professor was a Sabbath keeper...

but also removing images and the organ from his church well...he was considered TOO EXTREME...

imagine telling Germans NEIN about their swine meats...lol

you miss the ENMITY Jews had for unclean goyim...and then the anti semitism of the early church...to divorce itself of all things "Jewish"

Sabbath keepers who taught that it was necessary for salvation? Who were they? What was the name of their church or denomination?
 
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