Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

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Looking for another scripture but found this- thought I would share
Proverbs 3 1-12
Trust in the Lord with All Your Heart

3 My son, do not forget my teaching,
but let your heart keep my commandments,
2 for length of days and years of life
and peace they will add to you.

3 Let not steadfast love and faithfulness forsake you;
bind them around your neck;
write them on the tablet of your heart.
4 So you will find favor and good success
in the sight of God and man.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
and do not lean on your own understanding.
6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make straight your paths.
7 Be not wise in your own eyes;
fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
8 It will be healing to your flesh
and refreshment to your bones.

9 Honor the Lord with your wealth
and with the firstfruits of all your produce;
10 then your barns will be filled with plenty,
and your vats will be bursting with wine.

11 My son, do not despise the Lord's discipline
or be weary of his reproof,
12 for the Lord reproves him whom he loves,
as a father the son in whom he delights.
 
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But Galatians isn’t about returning to their own vomit Galatians is about returning to Judaism.

Returning to Judaism?

Paul was clear “when you did NOT know Yah you served those which by nature are NOT gods” does that sound like they were keeping Torah?

“But now after you have known Yah or rather are known by Yah how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements to which you desire again to be in bondage...under the elements of the world”

They were going back AGAIN to their own calendar... you are familiar with the Gaelic calendar yes?...can’t go back AGAIN to something one NEVER did...

Just because you view Torah as weak and beggarly and bondage does NOT mean Paul did...
 
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Your the one claiming that the bible is not true not me.

Thats not even remotely what I said and you know it. You just keep avoiding the question because you can’t admit the truth.
 
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Ok so what your saying is that Paul and Peter we’re making the Gentiles observe the Jewish customs so why would Peter fear persecution or ridicule from the Jews for eating with the Gentiles if they were observing Jewish customs? If they were observing Jewish customs Peter and the others would have no reason to fear persecution or ridicule now would they?

Paul wrote the Galatians PRIOR the Jerusalem council...and this event in Antioch was prior his letter...

You keeping ignoring or rejecting the ENMITY of the Jews for the unclean goyim...and that enmity had ancient history and tradition and laws...to keep them SEPERATE from the dirty goyim...

The Jews from Jerusalem would “rightfully” be alarmed at seeing fellow Jews frolicking with the locals...lol

I ALREADY explained WHY there would still be concern in my previous post... so I am not surprised you miss what was going on at that time in scripture...the complicated dynamics of “how to live as a Jew among the unclean goyim”

So what if they were eating clean meat?...DID THEY KNOW whether or not it was offered to IDOLS...drained of blood...NOT strangled?

Oh yeah...and IF ALL these gentiles were NOT sexually immoral?

btw- “inappropriate contenteia” in the Greek expands to a scope greater than just physical adultery but also spiritual...as in were these Greeks faithful to Torah or worshipping their own ways on the side...still a relevant question obviously...STILL today even...

Remember this was ALL PRIOR the council in Acts 15

which FINALLY and ONLY THEN concluded on these 4 issues for those NOT of Jacob to be able to hear of One resurrected and for the forgiveness of ALL...

therefore James concluded these “strangers within thy gates” would KEEP HEARING THE REST OF MOSES every Sabbath...to fine tune their NEW FAITH...which THEY WANTED TO DO...

unlike you and other modern views and opinions those not of Jacob have to His living oracles...
 
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No problem. You should start with Hebrews 10:1-17. Then you might want to also read Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28; Colossians 2:1-17 and Ephesians 2:1-22.

Nowhere in any of those verses does Paul say the “Mosaic shadow law”. Again he said the law is a shadow of that is to come. Interestingly enough Paul included the Sabbath day as one of these “shadow laws” along with the dietary laws.


“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
 
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The Gentiles can eat meat offered to idols if they don’t know about it.

Happily those with uncircumcised hearts in LOVE with Him AND His ways as He loved us...verify and make sure...they seek out the answer and not avoid it...to keep clean meat clean...

to keep themselves clean for Him His Ways...as choosing to eat defiling food means the inside was ALREADY defiled...can’t defile that which already is...

But what else do you wish to get away with? and sneak around to minimize your sacrifice to Him His Ways?
 
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You simply can’t admit that because that would mean that Nicaea would’ve been capable of amending the Sabbath law as well.
Brother, no one can change any of God's laws "until heaven and earth disappear". His plan includes "a new heaven and a new earth" in Revelation 21.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Where was the church that taught you must keep the Saturday Sabbath between the 4th century and the 19th century? There was no church other than Judaism that taught you must keep the Saturday Sabbath during this 1500 year span.

His truth remains

or by majority opinion only?

1600 years and more man believed rotten meat birthed flies...years later germs were “discovered”

Sabbath keepers were throughout...
 
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I do, Jesus gave us freedom from the law.
free to bare false witness yes?

We are no longer under the letter of the law but instead under the purpose for which the laws were written which were to love God with all your heart soul and mind and love others as He loves us.
a love which did not include Sunday Ham dinners...

People who worship on Sunday don’t do it to disrespect Him we do it because we love and honor Him which is why we celebrate His resurrection.

People thought a golden calf would be proper too...

you celebrate His resurrection the day after He did

and not as yearly sabbath of festival of first fruits which it was...
 
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Nowhere in any of those verses does Paul say the “Mosaic shadow law”. Again he said the law is a shadow of that is to come. Interestingly enough Paul included the Sabbath day as one of these “shadow laws” along with the dietary laws.


“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Let’s first take a look at the apostle Paul's words in Colossians 2:14–17: “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.”

When some read about the sabbath days that were shadows and that passed away at the cross, they think that Paul was referring to the weekly Sabbath, the fourth of the Ten Commandments. Is this accurate? It’s important to get this right, because our interpretation of the apostle’s actual meaning can lead us into deeper truth or into deeper error.


Two Sabbaths


First, there is nothing in the Ten Commandment law about food, drink, festivals, new moons, or sabbath days (plural). All these were actually separate laws that God gave for the physical and spiritual health of His Old Testament people; these were called ceremonial laws.


Second, Paul wrote plainly that he was speaking of “sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come,” and not of the weekly Sabbath, which is a memorial of something that happened in the past, at the creation. The contrast between a shadow and a memorial is quite clear. Indeed, the fourth commandment does not tell us to keep the seventh day as a type of something to come. It says: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:8, 11).

Moreover, to show that he had something other than the weekly Sabbath in mind, Paul distinctly mentioned “sabbaths,” plural,” which are a shadow of things to come.” (The word “sabbath” in the Greek can be singular or plural according to Strong’s and Greek lexicons.)


Festivals and Shadows


The King James uses the word “holyday,” and some will contend that it refers to the weekly Sabbath, while the expression “sabbath days” refers to yearly sabbaths. The American Standard Version uses “feast day” instead of “holyday,” and this likely a clearer translation. The word translated “holyday” is from the Greek heorte, and in John 5:1, this same word is used to designate one of the yearly festivals of the Jews: “After this there was a feast [heorte] of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.” This is one of the holy days that Paul spoke of as having been nailed to the cross.


The “shadows” Paul mentions pointed to Jesus as a Savior from sin and were observed with that in mind. But the weekly Sabbath was made for man before sin entered into the world, before man would need atonement. The shadows pointing forward to His death as an atonement for sin certainly were not instituted until after sin. Therefore, since the weekly Sabbath was instituted before sin, just as was the marriage institution, it was not a shadow of Christ’s death as a Savior from sin; and His death did not end the Sabbath day any more than it brought marriage to an end. Both the Sabbath and marriage came to us in a perfect world.

Paul’s language shows he was referencing the shadowy ceremonies that pointed forward to and ended at the cross. Notice again, carefully, his words in Colossians 2:14: “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” Paul mentions that these laws were “against us” and “contrary” to us. Would it be contrary to Christians to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain, dishonoring parents, murder, theft, adultery, lying, and coveting—the sins rebuked by the Ten Commandments? Thus, the apostle must have been talking of another law—a law that enjoined food offerings, drink offerings, the observance of festivals, new moons, and yearly sabbaths.


Why Are These Laws Contrary to Us?


Why would the observance of these ceremonies after the death of Christ be contrary to the Christian faith? The yearly sabbath of the Passover involved killing a lamb that represented Jesus, the Lamb of God. The apostle Paul taught directly, “Indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us" (1 Corinthians 5:7). Thus, to keep offering a sacrificial lamb after His death would be to imply that Jesus had not accomplished atonement. Such an observance would be contrary to the teachings of Christianity.


Many other shadowy requirements of the ceremonial law pointed to the death of Jesus on the cross, as well. All these festivals, food and drink offerings, and sabbaths that were nailed to the cross, Paul declared to be “a shadow of things to come.” Then he adds, "But the substance is of Christ." That is, the substance that cast these shadows was Christ’s body on the cross.

Think of it this way—late in the afternoon when a tall tree casts its shadow eastward, one can begin at the farthest end of the shadow and follow it until he or she gets to the tree that casts the shadow, and there the shadow ceases to be. Likewise, we can go back to the time when “through one man [Adam] sin entered the world, and death through sin,” and there a merciful God promised to send a Redeemer (Genesis 3:15), a Substitute, to die in man’s place. To keep man continually reminded of this fact, and to supply him with a means of expressing his faith in the coming sacrifice, God instituted these ceremonies. All of these were included in the law that was not written on tables of stone.

Follow these shadowy ceremonies all the way from Eden to the time of Moses, and then through the wilderness journey and on for hundreds of years after the settlement in Canaan, and at last to Calvary—and there they cease. So it would be "against us" and "contrary" to our faith to observe these ceremonies after Jesus' death. Not so with the other law. It is just as necessary to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain, dishonoring the Sabbath, murder, adultery, and theft after the cross as before. Indeed, it was the violation of these principles that caused the death of Christ. Could they have been set aside or changed to accommodate the carnal mind, Jesus need not have died.

Now with these truths before us, let us again read Colossians 2:14–17 and see how plainly Paul revealed that he did not mean that the weekly seventh-day Sabbath had been nailed to the cross: "Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

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No but I can definitely show my love for God but worshipping on Sunday in honor of Christ’s resurrection.

not a love as He loved us...

and not a Sunday resurrection...

at least you are consistent...

just need to move closer to on target
 
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“"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:8-11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I work 6 days and rest on the 7th day.

lol
 
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Nowhere in any of those verses does Paul say the “Mosaic shadow law”. Again he said the law is a shadow of that is to come. Interestingly enough Paul included the Sabbath day as one of these “shadow laws” along with the dietary laws.


“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Yup...they ARE a shadow of good things STILL coming...

Might this at least be interesting to ya?

Mistranslations: Why Many Do Not Understand About the Sabbath and the Holy Days
 
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I see so a person loving God is keeping God's commandments? What is your excuse then for God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10? You know what James says "If you break one of them you break all of them *James 2:10-11 - Yep he's talking about the 10 commandments. No one loves God according to JESUS if they do not believe and follow God's Word *John 14:15; Matthew 7:21-23.

James said the law which meant all of the mosaic law. You keep implying that whenever someone says the law that they’re only referring to the 10 commandments. The law means the entire mosaic law which included the 10 commandments which is why he said “the whole law”.


“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
 
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Returning to Judaism?

Paul was clear “when you did NOT know Yah you served those which by nature are NOT gods” does that sound like they were keeping Torah?

“But now after you have known Yah or rather are known by Yah how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements to which you desire again to be in bondage...under the elements of the world”

They were going back AGAIN to their own calendar... you are familiar with the Gaelic calendar yes?...can’t go back AGAIN to something one NEVER did...

Just because you view Torah as weak and beggarly and bondage does NOT mean Paul did...


“It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is. But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished. I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves. For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, " YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:1-26‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
 
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therefore James concluded these “strangers within thy gates” would KEEP HEARING THE REST OF MOSES every Sabbath...to fine tune their NEW FAITH...which THEY WANTED TO DO...

James did not say the Gentiles ”would KEEP HEARING THE REST OF MOSES every Sabbath” that’s a fabrication of what he actually said. Why are you changing the scriptures to fit your theology? That’s deceptive and blasphemy.

“Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath."”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:19-21‬ ‭NASB

Abstaining from meat offered to idols, fornication, what has been strangled, and blood is what Moses taught in every synagogue on the Sabbath. He never told the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath.
 
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Happily those with uncircumcised hearts in LOVE with Him AND His ways as He loved us...verify and make sure...they seek out the answer and not avoid it...to keep clean meat clean...

to keep themselves clean for Him His Ways...as choosing to eat defiling food means the inside was ALREADY defiled...can’t defile that which already is...

But what else do you wish to get away with? and sneak around to minimize your sacrifice to Him His Ways?


“All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor. Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience' sake; FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD'S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS. If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience' sake. But if anyone says to you, "This is meat sacrificed to idols," do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience' sake; I mean not your own conscience, but the other man's; for why is my freedom judged by another's conscience? If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks? Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God; just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:23-33‬ ‭NASB
 
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Brother, no one can change any of God's laws "until heaven and earth disappear". His plan includes "a new heaven and a new earth" in Revelation 21.

Brother it’s already happened in Acts 15
 
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