want to talk about OSAS?

Are you an OSAS believer?

  • yes

    Votes: 27 43.5%
  • no

    Votes: 32 51.6%
  • of course

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Total voters
    62

Hammster

Psalm 144:1
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Supporter
Apr 5, 2007
140,012
25,178
55
New Jerusalem
Visit site
✟1,718,526.00
Country
United States
Faith
Reformed
Marital Status
Married
I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
— John 17:11

“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
— John 17:20-21

The only way we can lose salvation is if the Father denies this request from the Son.
 
Upvote 0

RickReads

Well-Known Member
Sep 27, 2020
3,433
1,068
59
richmond
✟64,831.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Divorced
You cannot have faith that God saved you if you think you can be lost. And we are saved by faith.

24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
 
Upvote 0

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,875
USA
✟580,110.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
You cannot have faith that God saved you if you think you can be lost.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: chukoy
Upvote 0

Rachel20

Well-Known Member
May 30, 2020
1,954
1,443
STX
✟58,109.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
The Bible describes salvation in three tenses, past, present and future. We have been saved (2 Timothy 1:9), we are being saved (1 Corinthians 1:18) and we have the hope that we will be saved (Romans 5:9-10).

My understanding of the tenses: we have been saved from the penalty of sin (justification), we are being saved from the power of sin (sanctification), and we will be saved from the presence of sin (glorification).

If we're set free from the law (a tutor according to Paul, from which we've moved on), then it's impossible to transgress the law any longer. We can still miss the mark and lose rewards at the Bema seat though (I believe this is what Paul feared in being disqualified in the "race" he was running, not a fear of losing salvation)
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: RickReads
Upvote 0

Kenny'sID

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Feb 28, 2016
18,185
7,001
69
USA
✟585,304.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Biblically, when God saves us, He gives us "eternal life" (not temporal or probationary life), and that from the very moment that we first believe :amen: As the Lord Jesus told us plainly,

John 5
24 Truly, truly I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, HAS eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

So, we have to assume that believing Him who sent Me, means to believe Christ as well, since Christs words are as good as God's, correct?

And Christ says we must do good in order to get to heaven. So clearly, the following verse says there is more to it than "saying" we believe, but we MUST put that belief into action, and if we fail to do So, there is no more salvation.

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."

Those saved that did not act as Christ said they must, will be condemed, the same way these people lost their salvation.

Luke 8:13 The seeds that fell on rocky ground stand for those who hear the message and receive it gladly. But it does not sink deep into them; they believe only for a while but when the time of testing comes, they fall away

 
Upvote 0

Swag365

Well-Known Member
Dec 25, 2019
1,352
481
USA
✟50,429.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
There has always been that point of view that says God is the one who chooses his sheep, of which none will be irrevocably lost. In fact, the concept is as old as the concept of redemption.
Sure, but practically every denomination teaches election, those who accept OSAS and those who reject it.
 
Upvote 0

Swag365

Well-Known Member
Dec 25, 2019
1,352
481
USA
✟50,429.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
OSAS--Once saved always saved. simply an acronym---the words speak for themselves. the words have no doubt been around since forever but were reduced to an acronym.
Do you consider yourself to fall into the class of people who were "once saved" and thus will "always be saved"?
 
Upvote 0

lsume

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Mar 14, 2017
1,491
696
70
Florida
✟417,518.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I would like to clear it up. As I said on another thread, To me how can you not believe in it? You have to keep being saved over and over again otherwise? So once isn't enough for you? That would seem to say that being saved is meaningless if you can't count on it to stick around.
Any theories, thoughts, etc?
What in reality happens when someone is born again is that you are sealed until the day of redemption. If you really want to experience the punishment for willful sin, then only after being converted can anyone understand. Seek and you shall find. It is not an intellectual pursuit. I thought I was born again until about 16 years later when It happened. That was over 30 years ago and I’m still being refined.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Jesus is YHWH

my Lord and my God !
Supporter
Dec 15, 2011
3,496
1,726
✟389,967.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Do you consider yourself to fall into the class of people who were "once saved" and thus will "always be saved"?
I believe all the promises of Jesus and the Apostles regarding Eternal Life, never ending life.

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

John 10:27-30
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

Romans 8:33-39
Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 1:11-14
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

hope this helps !!!
 
Upvote 0

ChetSinger

Well-Known Member
Apr 18, 2006
3,518
650
✟124,958.00
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
I would like to clear it up. As I said on another thread, To me how can you not believe in it? You have to keep being saved over and over again otherwise? So once isn't enough for you? That would seem to say that being saved is meaningless if you can't count on it to stick around.
Any theories, thoughts, etc?
Hey, it's an OSAS thread! Never seen one of these before...

Salvation is for everyone who believes. So to me a relevant question is this: can a believer stop believing? And I think the answer is yes, as described in the parable of the sower and the seed:

Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. - Luke 8

As long as I'm a believer my salvation is secure. But if I fall away into Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, or Atheism etc., then I'm no longer a believer in Jesus. And then the promises that apply to those who believe would no longer apply to me.
 
Upvote 0

Swag365

Well-Known Member
Dec 25, 2019
1,352
481
USA
✟50,429.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
I believe all the promises of Jesus and the Apostles regarding Eternal Life, never ending life.

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

John 10:27-30
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

Romans 8:33-39
Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 1:11-14
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

hope this helps !!!
No, it does not help. First, I did not ask you. Second, it was a yes or no question. Have a nice day.
 
Upvote 0

1watchman

Overseer
Supporter
Oct 9, 2010
6,039
1,226
Washington State
✟358,358.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Once saved always saved seems to reduce salvation to a trading card or a hall pass.

I think the poignant question is, if you are born again by the Holy Spirit - can that life be ended?

Good question! Your response is 'right one'. I think the truth is that IF one has truly received the Lord Jesus into their heart and is trusting Him and in communion with Him, then that one is "born again" by the indwelling Holy Spirit (John 3; 1 Jn. 5:10-12); and is sealed by the Holy Spirit as God says; and CANNOT be unborn. -1watchman
 
Upvote 0

Jesus is YHWH

my Lord and my God !
Supporter
Dec 15, 2011
3,496
1,726
✟389,967.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Hey, it's an OSAS thread! Never seen one of these before...

Salvation is for everyone who believes. So to me a relevant question is this: can a believer stop believing? And I think the answer is yes, as described in the parable of the sower and the seed:



As long as I'm a believer my salvation is secure. But if I fall away into Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, or Atheism etc., then I'm no longer a believer in Jesus. And then the promises that apply to those who believe would no longer apply to me.
Then your faith is placed in you and not Christ. Those who place their faith in Christ are born again. One cannot become unborn, the Holy Spirit is a promise securing Eternal Life, not conditional or temporary life. It is called eternal or everlasting life for a good reason. See my previous post and believe Gods promises on salvation, eternal life and that one will NEVER perish. Those are Jesus words and His promise to those who genuinely believe in Him, not themselves and their performance for salvation.

hope this helps !!!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Danthemailman
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Jesus is YHWH

my Lord and my God !
Supporter
Dec 15, 2011
3,496
1,726
✟389,967.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Good question! Your response is 'right one'. I think the truth is that IF one has truly received the Lord Jesus into their heart and is trusting Him and in communion with Him, then that one is "born again" by the indwelling Holy Spirit (John 3; 1 Jn. 5:10-12); and is sealed by the Holy Spirit as God says; and CANNOT be unborn. -1watchman
We were writing our response simultaneously. God is good indeed. Amen !
 
  • Friendly
Reactions: Danthemailman
Upvote 0

Swag365

Well-Known Member
Dec 25, 2019
1,352
481
USA
✟50,429.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
[STAFF EDITED DELETED QUOTE] Sacred Scripture does not teach OSAS. You can quote verses until the second coming, and that will remain true. Every verse that you have cited has been discussed in the context of OSAS a thousand times on this site. You merely need search for those threads. Have a nice day.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • Like
Reactions: Kenny'sID
Upvote 0

Rachel20

Well-Known Member
May 30, 2020
1,954
1,443
STX
✟58,109.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Hey, it's an OSAS thread! Never seen one of these before...

LOL I used to love threads like this when I was deciding what I believed. I thought there were good arguments to both sides plus I had 2 obstacles to overcome about OSAS (Heb 6 and Paul's fear of being disqualified from the race). Once those were cleared up, I came to believe OSAS but it took 10 years! Maybe a good thing though because I can relate to those that have their doubts.
 
Upvote 0

Maria Billingsley

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Oct 7, 2018
9,573
7,772
63
Martinez
✟893,850.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I would like to clear it up. As I said on another thread, To me how can you not believe in it? You have to keep being saved over and over again otherwise? So once isn't enough for you? That would seem to say that being saved is meaningless if you can't count on it to stick around.
Any theories, thoughts, etc?
Jesus Christ of Nazareth made it very clear that many will come in His name and He will say, "I never knew you". Christ did the work of salvation for the world. Those who believe in Him are saved. Those who are saved receive His Holy Spirit. Those who walk in His Spirit remain "in Him". Those who do not walk in His Spirit "fall away". It is not a matter of being saved over and over, it is a matter of" remaining in Him" so that on the day of judgment He does not say "I never knew you". Be blessed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kenny'sID
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Yarddog

Senior Contributor
Supporter
Jun 25, 2008
15,265
3,542
Louisville, Ky
✟811,949.00
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
I would like to clear it up. As I said on another thread, To me how can you not believe in it? You have to keep being saved over and over again otherwise? So once isn't enough for you? That would seem to say that being saved is meaningless if you can't count on it to stick around.
Any theories, thoughts, etc?
Does a person who accepted Jesus Christ as savior and is baptized continue in salvation if they later reject him and embrace Judaism or Islam?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kenny'sID
Upvote 0