Pope backs same sex unions

Homosexuality is a sing of a reprobate mind. I used to be like that, full with all types of degeneracy, that bring shame to me just to remember. When the light came to me in the way of the gospel, I was expose to my wrong doings and I seek the mercy and grace of the lord Jesus Christ. If the pope is normalizing all types of wickedness, where is that light that expose us into who we really are, where is salvation in darkness.

lismore said:

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Mystery Babylon

Philip_B said:

He (Pope Francis) said:
“Homosexual people have a right to be in a family. They are children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable over it. What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered. I stood up for that.”​

I think that there is a level of over-reach going on. Having read a few of his articles more generally, I suggest that Pope Francis in general speaks after due consideration, and he is no intellectual slouch. Whilst I know for some the idea of diminishing to personhood of LGBT is a popular pastime, in truth such actions fail to acknowledge the idea of our shared humanity, and the image and likeness we bear. This is part of the basis for the encyclical Fratelli Tutti (Fratelli tutti (3 October 2020) | Francis), though the substance of that document is not about this issue.

Homophobia is a less endearing stream of some Christianity, and I fear it often appears to deny the truth that Christ died for all. If a group of people were being marginalised in our society and left exposed to unfair treatment, I would hope that the Church would (with Christ) stand up in their defence. If you read the words and not the commentary, I think that is exactly what Pope Francis has done.

Viva Papa!

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You can be compassionate towards homosexual and call them to repent of that sin, I mean okay, if they still feel an attraction to the same sex, well, it's the homosexual acts that are the abominations, so gotta be celibate. But if you enter into a long term homosexual relationship? A civil union? That's not repenting of that sin, that's living in that sin.
I can accept a homosexual person, but I cannot be okay with their sin.

NBB said:

So, are we sure the bible doesn't talk about this?, and also are we sure we are not being pressurized by society and God knows whom else to accept all this?
If you support gays in their things, and God condnems that sin, you are supporting a harm that is sending people to hell, and also disobeying God calling bad good...

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Romans 1
1 Timothy 1
1 Corinthians 6
Yeah it's in the bible, in the new testament, so.. yeah.. nobody who calls themselves Christian should be endorsing a lifestyle of unrepentant homosexuality.

Civil union therefore it is non of our business, so why should all us Catholics intrude on their lives/decisions when they don't believe in it?

Us Catholics are not affected by their decisions or their existence. Support doesn't mean promote. I'm not in agreement to the LGBT culture, but i can say I support it in a sense that i'll mind my own business.

edit: I am actually more annoyed on how it is just forced on tv shows just for the sake of "liberalism". It's like I can hear the director suggest: "but we have to have an LGBT person on this show so others can think we are progressive!"

I think its a disgrace especially among Catholics.

lismore said:

Pope Francis backs same-sex civil unions

Pope Francis has given his most explicit support to same-sex civil unions in a move that is likely to further enrage his conservative opponents in the Catholic church.

His comments came in an interview in a documentary film, Francesco, which premiered at the Rome film festival on Wednesday.

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Straight to the abomination of desolation( let the reader understand.)

GOD DOES NOT CHANGE! God did not merely say homosexuality was wrong, He said it was an ABOMINATION. It is an insult to His Creation. Did they say the church views were ' outdated'? Is that why the priests are molesting small boys by the troves? While they are at it, let's change the Lord's prayer and rewrite the Ten Commandments. I am sorry. I do not mean to seem old fashioned but you cannot change the Word, the Laws, and the Nature of God! And to top it all off the homosexual community took God's Promise to the Earth and made it a symbol for abomination on their flag. Their arms are not long enough to box with God, let alone slap His face.

“I will hide my face from them,” he said, “and see what their end will be; for they are a perverse generation, children who are unfaithful. Deuteronomy 32:20

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
1 Corinthians 6:9

Pope Frances' horns are showing...

lismore said:

Pope Francis backs same-sex civil unions

Pope Francis has given his most explicit support to same-sex civil unions in a move that is likely to further enrage his conservative opponents in the Catholic church.

His comments came in an interview in a documentary film, Francesco, which premiered at the Rome film festival on Wednesday.

Where do you think this is heading?

God Bless

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Well, if Pope Francis endorse same-sex civil union, then Pope acknowledges that Catholic Church is A TEMPLE OF IDOLS !

This is what we have heard:
What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as GOD SAID, "I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. -2 Corinthians 6:16
Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING; then I will welcome you, -2 Corinthians 6:17
and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, SAYS THE LORD ALMIGHTY." -2 Corinthians 6:18

lismore said:

Pope Francis backs same-sex civil unions

Pope Francis has given his most explicit support to same-sex civil unions in a move that is likely to further enrage his conservative opponents in the Catholic church.

His comments came in an interview in a documentary film, Francesco, which premiered at the Rome film festival on Wednesday.

Where do you think this is heading?

God Bless

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I think this is skating the edge of what is acceptable. Civil Unions are not the same as marriage, but on the other hand they are encouraging sinful behaviour and then drawing it into the church.

I had high hopes for Francis after the ultra conservatism of Benedict, but he seems to have taken Liberal Christianity to the extreme - things are OK if society says they are OK. In other words society dictates what the church finds acceptable, not the Bible.

Basil the Great said:

True, but many feel that his words indicate some degree of endorsement or approval of homosexual unions/acts, if only by implication. Others may disagree. At the very least, it appears that the Pope's words have caused confusion and concern for many Catholics.

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I was at a community swimming pool with a small group of neighbors. Two women arrived. They recently moved to the community from Texas. We were all talking to each other. They introduced themselves as married to each other. People were polite to them. After they left there was discussion. There are two other homosexual couples living in the large gated community.

I suppose it is better to be polite to homosexuals than to stone them to death as the Old Testament law required. Jesus said, “Judge not lest you be judged.” Adultery was also punished by stoning in the Old Testament. Adulterers got mercy even though it was a sin, else they would have stoned Trump.

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Given how much people twist what a Pope says ("who am I to judge" is a great example), I refuse to believe any of it until I hear exactly what he said, unedited and in full context.

lismore said:

Pope Francis backs same-sex civil unions

Pope Francis has given his most explicit support to same-sex civil unions in a move that is likely to further enrage his conservative opponents in the Catholic church.

His comments came in an interview in a documentary film, Francesco, which premiered at the Rome film festival on Wednesday.

Where do you think this is heading?

God Bless

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An abomination to God, leading to the desolation of RCC by disabling its salvation power. A church exalting an abomination simply loses its salvation capability as it's no longer a church of God.

chilehed said:

Given how much people twist what a Pope says ("who am I to judge" is a great example), I refuse to believe any of it until I hear exactly what he said in full context.

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Here's a somewhat more detailed article, from the National Catholic Register: Pope Francis Calls for Civil Union Law for Same-Sex Couples, in Shift From Vatican Stance.

The article implies that he supported civil unions when he was in Argentina.

hedrick said:

Here's a somewhat more detailed article, from the National Catholic Register:

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My scepticism holds double for the National Catholic Register. I insist on hearing it unedited, in full context.

When I was still Presbyterian, we had a chap called Fred Nile come up from Sydney for a weekend mini-crusade. He was a morals crusader in New South Wales, and was a member of the NSW parliament for some time, although he's getting on now (he turned 86 in September).

I don't remember a word he said to be honest since this was about 30 years ago, but I do remember one former homosexual who was a member of his ministry group who stated he had become a Christian, fallen more than once, and in despair had tried to commit suicide.

At his second suicide attempt, which would certainly have succeeded had he not been "stopped", he claimed Christ materialised in the corner of the room, moved towards him and somehow seemed to merge with him.

He claimed that from that moment on, he wasn't even tempted by homosexuality! He had married a woman who accepted his past, and had a couple of young sons there to prove it. Yet he said he'd previously been involved in everything going, you name it - BDSM, the Sydney Mardi Gras and all the rest, including, ironically, standing around on street corners in Kings Cross and talking with other homosexuals about how they would slowly kill Fred Nile, who opposed them.

But in talking with the ex-homosexual after the service, we got talking about legalisation of homosexuality. He commented that they should not be subject to bashings, snide comments and other brutalities and discrimination that were often their lot.

There's a fine line here - guaranteeing them the same civil rights as everyone else, without the church having to admit homosexual marriage.

I don't think the Pope is favouring homosexual marriage. I think he's simply making a point about them having the same civil rights and protection under the law as anybody else.

I was surprised. But the Catholic Church basically treats gays like human beings . My church accepts them as normal . Religious conservatives tend to emotionally abuse or some even call for actual physical abuse or murder like that Steven Anderson( who is persona non grata in most of Europe now because of his views )

Jaxxi said:

Straight to the abomination of desolation( let the reader understand.)

GOD DOES NOT CHANGE! God did not merely say homosexuality was wrong, He said it was an ABOMINATION. It is an insult to His Creation. Did they say the church views were ' outdated'? Is that why the priests are molesting small boys by the troves? While they are at it, let's change the Lord's prayer and rewrite the Ten Commandments. I am sorry. I do not mean to seem old fashioned but you cannot change the Word, the Laws, and the Nature of God! And to top it all off the homosexual community took God's Promise to the Earth and made it a symbol for abomination on their flag. Their arms are not long enough to box with God, let alone slap His face.

“I will hide my face from them,” he said, “and see what their end will be; for they are a perverse generation, children who are unfaithful. Deuteronomy 32:20

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
1 Corinthians 6:9

Pope Frances' horns are showing...
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Jesus dealing with Tax collectors, prostitutes, and other types of people that where shown the same form off condemnation as shown in your posts is an example of how we should treat them. "God does not change" doesn't imply condemning and not understanding a persons reasons for who they are at the present time.

also that image is obviously fake, and old.

When I first heard about it, I was kinda surprised that Pope went on to actually give such a definite stance on the issue. I always kinda wondered - is it better to keep denying a struggling homosexual christians a marriage and hence indirectly leading them to a promiscuous life styles (it's always so easy to say 'just don't have sex at all' when you're married yourself), or to let them marry and stay in a stable relationship... But then I realized there're people who know better than Pope or even God himself - the random people on the internet forums!

Needless to say, I found exactly what I expected.

Cis.jd said:

Jesus dealing with Tax collectors, prostitutes, and other types of people that where shown the same form off condemnation as shown in your posts is an example of how we should treat them. "God does not change" doesn't imply condemning and not understanding a persons reasons for who they are at the present time.

also that image is obviously fake, and old.

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Indeed - Christ loved all mankind - including those in your list but did not call for a prostitute's club where everyone in the club could enjoy their chosen profession and could affirm themselves for having chosen such a noble profession. In fact He was pretty clear that people should not be doing that ... but that did not mean He refused to evangelism them and encourage them to accept the gospel, the new birth, the new covenant, the law written on the heart, eternal life.

He dies on the cross so that they can escape slavery to sin and all the doom that a life of rebellion results in at the final day of judgment.