Yes, you earn it from the person you want to marry.
Okay. I suppose you could say you "earn" the right to marry from the person you love. But in that case, gay people can do exactly the same.
Because there is no such thing as gay marriage, marriage is based on biology.
Begging the question. you can't assume that the thing you want to prove is the proof of your argument for it.
Because we have a moral conscience, we learn how to recognize it. Just like you learn your physical senses are reliable.
You're still stuck on the horns of the dilemma. As I explained before. Whence cometh this moral conscience? If it was given to you by God, you are begging the question. Your moral conscience is only sound if God is in fact good, and you cannot use a consequence of God being good if you're trying to prove that He is. And if your moral conscience does not come from God, but is instead developed in reaction to the world around you, we do not need God as a foundation of morality.
He helped me accomplish many things including getting my college degrees and answering many prayers.
Prove it.
What is your logical argument that your wife loves you or that she is a good person?
Who said I had one? I know my wife loves me and that she is a good person, but if you ask me to prove it to you beyond any possible dispute, I'm not sure I can.
You, on the other hand, maintain that "God is good" is something that can be rationally proved. So, prove it.
Yes our experience with Him confirms that He is goodness.
Not good enough. You need a logical argument, not experience. How can you prove that God is not simply fooling you?
Yes, but all you need is generally to start the process of knowledge of someone, then with God over time we find out He NEVER goes against His character.
Not good enough. You need a logical argument, not experience. How can you prove that God is not simply fooling you?
Our moral conscience would recognize it.
See above.
Because we are more than physical beings. Your personhood is your mind, will, conscience, and emotions, all these are nonphysical entities.
A hugely problematical statement, but we don't need to address it right bow, because your answer helps you no further in addressing the question of how being able to have sexual congress that results in a baby enhances your personhood.
No, suicide is worse than homosexual behavior, because it devalues human life.
Right. I agree, on the whole. But mentally unstable people are allowed to get married.
Gay marriage has more universal consequences than those rare examples you mention. For one thing it potentially makes marriage meaningless so it can mean whatever you want it to.
Of course it doesn't. We went over this right at the start of the thread. Marriage is simply about two people living together in a legally-recognised loving relationship.
I think I have, just not to your hyperskeptical satisfaction.
Simple common sense looks like hyperskepticality when you're trying to defend an irrational point of view.
Children has nothing to do with it, you obviously have forgotten what I said.
You've said such a lot, it's sometimes hard to keep track of. Regardless, the point stands: being married can be a good thing for people, and we hope it is, but it can also sometimes be a bad thing.
Weird? Those have been the basics of marriage for 2 million years. See my earlier posts where I demonstrate that children are not necessary to prove the superiority of heterosexual relations.
It's not weird to say that marriage includes heterosexual sex. It's weird to say that this is the most important part of it. Which is what you are implying when you say that gay people can't get married.
I have already explained all this reread my posts. I am not going to keep repeating myself. Marriage is far more than love.
No, no. This is an actually important point. And I do not believe you have addressed this, never mind explained it. In what way is gay sex depersonalising?
Already explained this earlier, not need to rehash it.
Because reinforcing personhood is good for you mentally and emotionally.
So what?
I doubt your earlier posts will help much.
This is on topic. We are discussing morality and what is moral behavior such as whether homosexual behavior is moral or not. You dont have any objective basis for saying there is nothing wrong with homosexual behavior.
It's off-topic, I'm afraid. And besides which, by the rules of this forum, I am forbidden to answer your question.
Because Christians have an objective moral standard based on the objectively existing moral character of the Creator.
You keep saying that, then saying you can prove it, then failing to do so.
Not just what He tells us, but also how He behaves and treats us.
So what? Either provide a logical argument, or admit you can't.
Persons cannot change their character, it is part of who you are and that is not my opinion that has been confirmed by experience and empirical observation. And Only our creator can change our character. But I will concede that in a theoretical sense you may be correct, but in actuality you are wrong. Because we can recognize good and evil, your theory is logically impossible. Nevertheless, Gods actions are not arbitrary, they are based on His moral character. God neither conforms to nor invents the moral order. Rather His very nature is the standard for value.
Thank you for your concession. That really is good of you. The thing is, since we are discussing logical positions, a theoretical sense is what we are looking for here. Again, you need to provide a logical argument to back up your claim.
The bible teaches it. I am not making it up.
Bingo. Goodness, it took a while to reach there, didn't it? Your position is based on Christian beliefs, and therefore has no relevance to anyone who does not share your particular Christian viewpoint. All this time you've been claiming that your arguments were based on biology and logic, but really it's just a religious prejudice.
