Pope endorses same-sex civil unions in new documentary film

Aspzan said:

Although I am glad this isn't an ex cathedra statement I still don't understand why Pope Francis said this. I don't really know what to say about it or how to move forward. I still want to be Catholic but this has stunned me.

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I am here, too. There is something incredibly wrong with this Pontificate. If it helps, at all, things like this have been prophesied by Catholics about something like this.

Our Lady of La Salette: A Fearful Warning and a Prophecy

I can not believe that the Church that gave us Mother Teresa and Francis of Assisi is evil. Perhaps we have a very bad Pope.

I hear the Protestants on here; there are increasingly few conservative places to turn within the Protestant world.

God bless you guys. I am still here.

grandvizier1006 said:

Just came here to express my sympathy. If he’s going to eventually say what I think he is, then faithful Catholics will be in quite a bind. I’m truly sorry.

Is this the last days? IDK. But I truly hope that in the future, if Christians are basically forced to endorse homosexuality 100%, that God will forgive us of our errors as long as we attempt to remain faithful otherwise. Although such a thing will be difficult.

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Yes. Definitely this.

Michie said:

Inclusivity as far as? Just curious.

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Pachamama worship at the vatican (paganism) and now seeming to be okay with gay marriage.
These kinds of things are acceptable in society at large, and politicians court people from different ways of life, but is that the place of popes, too?
I didn't mean to disturb your thread so I'll go my way.

chunkofcoal said:

Pachamama worship at the vatican (paganism) and now seeming to be okay with gay marriage.
These kinds of things are acceptable in society at large, and politicians court people from different ways of life, but is that the place of popes, too?
I didn't mean to disturb your thread so I'll go my way.

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No, I think I understand. There is a temptation to go along with the zeitgeist. To say what is popular and what will make people happy. Many politicians do this. For votes. But to have the Pope do this is very wrong.

Hold on, guys, one more;

We are witnessing St. John Paul II’s prophesy of an ‘anti-Church’: Catholic priest

eastcoast_bsc said:

I am getting a lot of messages on my Facebook from various people making comments like "I am rejoicing" and "I love this Pope"

The news is being taken that the Pope supports Gay marriage and gay rights.

The Pope knows this and I am reading a lot here that reflects on a naivete or maybe it is a hope and belief the Pope had good intentions.

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Only if he is totally naive. Is he? I don't even know.

I am not going to be led astray . I will struggle and lean on Christ.

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Yes. Perseverence.

Hey, it got me out of my pre-election funk.

zippy2006 said:

It's nothing new. This pope hasn't given much attention to faithful Catholics in his pontificate. He is concerned with those "on the margins": those outside the faith, those who dissent, as well as the poor and disenfranchised in general.

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It's good to be concerned with those on the margins. But I've just been pushed a whole lot farther into the margin by pope Francis.

Gracia Singh said:

Hold on, guys, one more;

We are witnessing St. John Paul II’s prophesy of an ‘anti-Church’: Catholic priest

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Here's JPII:

We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel.

We must be prepared to undergo great trials in the not-too-distant future; trials that will require us to be ready to give up even our lives, and a total gift of self to Christ and for Christ. Through your prayers and mine, it is possible to alleviate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it. . . .How many times has the renewal of the Church been brought about in blood! It will not be different this time.

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Prayers will alleviate the tribulation but it is no longer possible to avert it.

Stabat said:

Keep in mind just how happy Aaron and his fellow Israelites made God when they worshiped the golden calf!

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We already had Pachamama. Should I be shocked at all?

Gracia Singh said:

I am here, too. There is something incredibly wrong with this Pontificate. If it helps, at all, things like this have been prophesied by Catholics about something like this.

Our Lady of La Salette: A Fearful Warning and a Prophecy

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Thank you. Akita is also relevant.

I can not believe that the Church that gave us Mother Teresa and Francis of Assisi is evil. Perhaps we have a very bad Pope.

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Yup. We've had about a dozen of them. But we have had way more saints.

I hear the Protestants on here; there are increasingly few conservative places to turn within the Protestant world.

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I think that before Francis we were somewhat of a beacon for moral reasoning as many of their own supports collapsed. We SHOULD be able to continue that if we go to prayer and we pray with them and for them as they pray for us.

Remember that the Catholic Church was riven with almost all Catholics using contraception. Very slowly we are working back from that, over generations. We stand our ground as faithful Catholics and we make some headway reclaiming the moral teaching. We have the advantage that we actually KNOW the truth with regard to morality. We don't need a committee to vote on it.

And remember how faithful Catholics and other faithful Christians are actually slowly winning the war against abortion. We've done that together, on our knees as it were.
God bless you guys. I am still here.[/QUOTE]
Yea!

chevyontheriver said:

It's good to be concerned with those on the margins. But I've just been pushed a whole lot farther into the margin by pope Francis.

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Of course we are concerned with those on the margins. It is the rank and file Catholics who have always dug deep to feed and clothe the poor. We need to be wary of those who try to conflate "those on the margins" with supporting alternative lifestyles. We help and support prostitutes but don't support their lifestyles. The same goes with anyone, whether they are drug users or a homosexual. Love does not equate to condoning.

Koran kissing JPII was part of this whole mess. Making excuses for that was as bad as making excuses for this.

How long does one keep defending and making excuses for this stuff? When does one tire of letting stuff go or defending it just because it's not "ex cathedra".

It's either right or wrong, period.

How long are some Catholics going to act like abused wives?

"It's OK if he yells at me. At least he doesn't hit me."

... "It's OK if he hit me this time. He hasn't done it before and there isn't even a mark."

...... "It's OK if he bruised my face this time. At least he didn't break a bone."

......... "It's OK if he hospitalized me this time. At least he didn't kill me."

............ "He finally killed me. I should have left him long ago."

Pope Francis keeps on keeping on with his nonsense and he keeps finding gullible people to defend him. He knew that saying this would scandalize the truly faithful, mislead the unfaithful, and encourage those with an agenda. He knew what this would do. He knew he was wrong, is wrong, but he didn't care. It's sad.

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chevyontheriver said:

We already had Pachamama. Should I be shocked at all?

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Exactly.

This is the logical result of the line of thinking that produced Papal Infallibility. It took a while to get here, but that thought defended JPII kissing the Koran, and it defended this guy too long.

People now say nobody can judge a pope, nobody can remove a pope. They don't know history very well - it's been done before by a council, more than once.

In the quest for more power for the papacy, that power now works against the church.

Markie Boy said:

Koran kissing JPII was part of this whole mess. Making excuses for that was as bad as making excuses for this.

How long does one keep defending and making excuses for this stuff? When does one tire of letting stuff go or defending it just because it's not "ex cathedra".

It's either right or wrong, period.

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I don't think anyone here is 'defending' what pope Francis has said. Or making excuses for what pope Francis has said. Quite the opposite.