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Inclusivity as far as? Just curious.He seems to be interested in inclusivity, though, like the politicians.
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Inclusivity as far as? Just curious.He seems to be interested in inclusivity, though, like the politicians.
I am here, too. There is something incredibly wrong with this Pontificate. If it helps, at all, things like this have been prophesied by Catholics about something like this.Although I am glad this isn't an ex cathedra statement I still don't understand why Pope Francis said this. I don't really know what to say about it or how to move forward. I still want to be Catholic but this has stunned me.
Yes. Definitely this.Just came here to express my sympathy. If he’s going to eventually say what I think he is, then faithful Catholics will be in quite a bind. I’m truly sorry.
Is this the last days? IDK. But I truly hope that in the future, if Christians are basically forced to endorse homosexuality 100%, that God will forgive us of our errors as long as we attempt to remain faithful otherwise. Although such a thing will be difficult.
I would have to look it up. I know there have been bad popes before but not aware of any specific statement. I’m curious now though.I hate asking this because it can lead to a type of debate that isn't allowed here, but when did a Pope make an absurd heretical statement before Vatican 2, which may have raised eyebrows? I am asking simply for informational purposes. This news feels so unreal. I am understanding where the "seedy" camp is coming from now.
Pachamama worship at the vatican (paganism) and now seeming to be okay with gay marriage.Inclusivity as far as? Just curious.
No, I think I understand. There is a temptation to go along with the zeitgeist. To say what is popular and what will make people happy. Many politicians do this. For votes. But to have the Pope do this is very wrong.Pachamama worship at the vatican (paganism) and now seeming to be okay with gay marriage.
These kinds of things are acceptable in society at large, and politicians court people from different ways of life, but is that the place of popes, too?
I didn't mean to disturb your thread so I'll go my way.
Only if he is totally naive. Is he? I don't even know.I am getting a lot of messages on my Facebook from various people making comments like "I am rejoicing" and "I love this Pope"
The news is being taken that the Pope supports Gay marriage and gay rights.
The Pope knows this and I am reading a lot here that reflects on a naivete or maybe it is a hope and belief the Pope had good intentions.
Yes. Perseverence.I am not going to be led astray . I will struggle and lean on Christ.
It's good to be concerned with those on the margins. But I've just been pushed a whole lot farther into the margin by pope Francis.It's nothing new. This pope hasn't given much attention to faithful Catholics in his pontificate. He is concerned with those "on the margins": those outside the faith, those who dissent, as well as the poor and disenfranchised in general.
Hold on, guys, one more;
We are witnessing St. John Paul II’s prophesy of an ‘anti-Church’: Catholic priest
We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel.
We must be prepared to undergo great trials in the not-too-distant future; trials that will require us to be ready to give up even our lives, and a total gift of self to Christ and for Christ. Through your prayers and mine, it is possible to alleviate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it. . . .How many times has the renewal of the Church been brought about in blood! It will not be different this time.
We already had Pachamama. Should I be shocked at all?Keep in mind just how happy Aaron and his fellow Israelites made God when they worshiped the golden calf!
Thank you. Akita is also relevant.I am here, too. There is something incredibly wrong with this Pontificate. If it helps, at all, things like this have been prophesied by Catholics about something like this.
Our Lady of La Salette: A Fearful Warning and a Prophecy
Yup. We've had about a dozen of them. But we have had way more saints.I can not believe that the Church that gave us Mother Teresa and Francis of Assisi is evil. Perhaps we have a very bad Pope.
I think that before Francis we were somewhat of a beacon for moral reasoning as many of their own supports collapsed. We SHOULD be able to continue that if we go to prayer and we pray with them and for them as they pray for us.I hear the Protestants on here; there are increasingly few conservative places to turn within the Protestant world.
It's good to be concerned with those on the margins. But I've just been pushed a whole lot farther into the margin by pope Francis.
No. You are right. The whole pachamama thing was an absolute disgrace and 101 in idol worship.my question was sincere. I was just not sure what you were referring to.Pachamama worship at the vatican (paganism) and now seeming to be okay with gay marriage.
These kinds of things are acceptable in society at large, and politicians court people from different ways of life, but is that the place of popes, too?
I didn't mean to disturb your thread so I'll go my way.
We already had Pachamama. Should I be shocked at all?
I don't think anyone here is 'defending' what pope Francis has said. Or making excuses for what pope Francis has said. Quite the opposite.Koran kissing JPII was part of this whole mess. Making excuses for that was as bad as making excuses for this.
How long does one keep defending and making excuses for this stuff? When does one tire of letting stuff go or defending it just because it's not "ex cathedra".
It's either right or wrong, period.