The 70 Weeks of Daniel
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JESUS came around two thousand years ago. He said: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand): do you think JESUS was speaking of Antiochus?
Because you have posted, It seems you believe the universal history exposed in your post to interpret the Holy Scriptures, I am not against Universal History, but the history you have posted has nothing to do with the spirit of prophecy within the biblical context, I think WE should not believe in mere universal history to interpret the spirit of prophecy of Scriptures, much less to believe in cuningly devised fables, but in revelation given by the Spirit of prophecy, by the Holy Spirit, do you agree? (this is a question of discernment).
In the first vision, as is written in Daniel chapter 7(see 8;v.1), the FOURTH kingdom is described as follow:
Dan.7:v.7- ...and behold a fourth Beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the Beasts that were before it(Media/Persia and Greece); and it had ten horns. Verse 8 - I considered the (10)horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,... (The litle horn was not enthroned yet. This fact of the fourth kingdom has nothing to do with Antiochus)
NOTE VERY VERY IMPORTANT: From verse 9 onwards or henceforth the PROPHECY jumps from the time of the appearance of FOURTH kingdom BC, to our days (2020 for example), to the present time, and even to times to come soon yet. The Abomination of Desolation manifested not itself yet, but it will happen in this new decade. Can you discern this?
10 And it (the little horn) waxed great, even to the host of heaven (God's people-the Christian people-the Church); and it cast down some of the host (believers) and of the stars to the ground(1/3 -by the TAIL -angels of the Churches-Revelation 1:v.20), and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he (the little horn) magnified himself (magnified as it was God) even to the prince of the host(Michael-Revelation 12), and BY THE LITTLE HORN the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. (Honestly, sincerely,
Antiochus has nothing to do with the little horn.
To associate the prophecy of Daniel exposed above with Antiochus is a false interpretation of Scriptures, the way the Devil likes it.
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The little horn arose from the dissolution of the western Roman imperial empire into ten kingdoms. Arising as it did from these Roman kingdoms, the little horn was also Roman.
The Reformers accurately and correctly recognized it as the apostate papal Roman empire. That recognition was one of the pillars of the Reformation.
By God's divine grace, mercy, and empowerment, the Reformation was successful in liberating the true Church from spiritual darkness and oppression.
We are on this forum today because of the Reformers' faith, vision, and sacrifice.
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Daniel's Vision of the Ram and the Goat
Dan 8:1 In the third year of the reign of King Belshazzar a vision appeared to me—to me, Daniel—after the one that appeared to me the first time.
Dan 8:2 I saw in the vision, and it so happened while I was looking, that I was in Shushan, the citadel, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in the vision that I was by the River Ulai.
Dan 8:3 Then I lifted my eyes and saw, and there, standing beside the river, was a ram which had two horns, and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher one came up last.
Dan 8:4 I saw the ram pushing westward, northward, and southward, so that no animal could withstand him; nor was there any that could deliver from his hand, but he did according to his will and became great.
Dan 8:5 And as I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the west, across the surface of the whole earth, without touching the ground; and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
Dan 8:6 Then he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing beside the river, and ran at him with furious power.
Dan 8:7 And I saw him confronting the ram; he was moved with rage against him, attacked the ram, and broke his two horns. There was no power in the ram to withstand him, but he cast him down to the ground and trampled him; and there was no one that could deliver the ram from his hand.
Dan 8:8 Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven.
Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land.
Dan 8:10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them.
Dan 8:11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"
Dan 8:14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."
The Interpretation of the Vision
Dan 8:15 Then it happened, when I, Daniel, had seen the vision and was seeking the meaning, that suddenly there stood before me one having the appearance of a man.
Dan 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of the Ulai, who called, and said, "Gabriel, make this man understand the vision."
Dan 8:17 So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, "Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end."
Dan 8:18 Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground; but he touched me, and stood me upright.
Dan 8:19 And he said, "Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be.
Dan 8:20 The ram which you saw, having the two horns—they are the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21 And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king.
Dan 8:22 As for the broken horn and the four that stood up in its place, four kingdoms shall arise out of that nation, but not with its power.
Dan 8:23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, When the transgressors have reached their fullness, A king shall arise, Having fierce features, Who understands sinister schemes.
Dan 8:24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; He shall destroy fearfully, And shall prosper and thrive; He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
Dan 8:25 "Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means.
Dan 8:26 "And the vision of the evenings and mornings Which was told is true; Therefore seal up the vision, For it refers to many days in the future."
Dan 8:27 And I, Daniel, fainted and was sick for days; afterward I arose and went about the king's business. I was astonished by the vision, but no one understood it.
Do you understand the kingdom of Alexander the Great was divided up among four of his generals at his death?
Do you understand Antiochus Epiphanes came out of one of those kingdoms?
If you do not understand this, it is found above in the interpretation of Daniel's dream.
Do you understand the meaning of John 10:22?
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Blaming other people for your cherry picking? I have no issue how the Bible was written as I know what is figurative and what is literal, without my personal opinion changing the facts.
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Those paid by Satan? No thanks. True faith does not needs volumes of written consensus. Most in addition to God's Word anyways. If men claim it is so, faith was tossed out the window along the way.
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Sorry, brother, you are being evasive. What will WE learn from you if these your words did not bring any revealation, neither even a human admissible or thinkable information?
Questions:
- Which were the 10 kingdoms you say were of the dissolution "of the ancient western Roman imperial empire"?
- Who was or is the MAN and which is his kingdom symbolized as "a little horn" you say he arose from the dissolution of the 10 kingdoms? By your words, the prophecy of Daniel already fulfilled literally long time ago, no? For examples, Daniel 8:v.10-11, as follow:
Daniel 8:v.10-11
10 And the LITTLE HORN waxed great, even to the host of heaven (God's people-the Christian people-the Lord's Church); and the LITTLE HORN cast down some of the host (believers) and of the stars to the ground(1/3 of the stars were cast down to the ground by his TAIL - stars are angels of the Churches-Revelation 1:v.20), and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, the LITTLE HORN magnified himself (magnified as he was God) even to the prince of the host(Michael-Revelation 12), and BY THE LITTLE HORN the DAILY SACRIFICE WAS (WILL BE) TAKEN AWAY, and the place of the sanctuary was (will be) cast down. (Honestly, sincerely, I think it is hard for you to answer the two questions posted above. What you wrote has nothing to do with the LITTLE HORN. To associate the prophecy of Daniel to the theory you posted, sorry, it is resultative of a false interpretation of Scriptures, in the way the Devil likes it).
OK. OK. What says the Word of God? 1Cor.3:v.12-17:
12 If any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the Day (the Lord's Day) shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; ...
The Word is God. And God is the Word made flesh.
Deuteronomy 18:v.20 - The Word is God
The prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods(gods of this world), even that prophet shall die.
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You're the one doing the complaining and blaming.
Tell us what is figurative and what is literal in 1 Peter 2:9.
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Of course. To the futurist, historical wisdom and prophetic fulfillment are anathema.
As futurist godfather John Darby declared:
"I do not admit history to be, in any sense, necessary to the understanding of prophecy."
So, to paraphrase Judges 17:6, carry on believing what is right in your own mind.
And continue to be your own authority.
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Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Ten kingdoms: Alemanni, Anglo-Saxons, Franks, Burgundians, Visigoths, Suevi, Ostrogoths, Heruli, Bavarians, Vandals.
The little horn of the papacy uprooted three of these kingdoms: The Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths.
The first of the three kingdoms to be uprooted were the Heruli in 493 AD, by papal ally Theodoric. Gelasius I was pope from 492-496 AD.
Did the devil like the Reformation?
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DANIEL'S BOOK - INTERPRETATION - CHAPTER 8 - KJV - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DESCRIPTION OF THE DANIEL'S VISION - VERSES 01 to 14
The main focus are:
- The daily sacrifice was(will be) take away;
- The little horn - the Beast like a lamb-Revelation 13:v.11
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DANIEL 8 - SECOND VISION OF DANIEL~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar(553BC) a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.(First vision about four great kingdoms from the sea-the vision of the chapter 7:v.3-8. By the way, Daniel's vision from two years ago, around 551BC).
2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.
NOTE: In this second vision Daniel was captive in Babylon, that was the FIRST of the FOUR kingdoms revealed in the chapter 7. In this chapter 8, we see that was revealed to Daniel the NAMES of the second and of the third kingdoms, i.e. Media and Persia. (Ciro and Dario) and Grecia(336BC-323BC-Dan.2:v.39, right?
3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns(two kings-Media and Persia, as is written in the verse 20): and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last-(so, the last was Persia).
4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.
5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west (Grecia) on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. (see verse 8)
6 And he came to the ram that had two horns(Media and Persia-verse 20), which I had seen standing before the river(verse 3), and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns(Media and Persia): and there was no power in the ram(Media and Persia) to stand before him(before the goat), but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. (Media and Persia were totally defeated by Grecia)
8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn (the notable horn-see verse 5) was broken; and for it came up FOUR notable ones toward the FOUR WINDS of HEAVEN (heaven is not SKY).(see DAN.7:v.2-3 about FOUR winds, combined with Daniel 2:v.36-40, and mainly Revelation 7:v.1-4)
NOTE: It is important to discern that the three first kingdoms are described from verse 1to 8, but from verse 9 onwards or henceforth, comes the fourth kingdom that begins before Christ, and continues even millenniums after the time of Christ. The main focus are:
- The daily sacrifice was(will be-future yet) take away;
- The little horn - Revelation 13:v.11
Comments about the little horn, and about the daily sacrifice that was taken away (verses 9to11)
9 And out of one of them(out of the fourth notable ones-fourth kingdom) came forth a little horn(chap.7:v.7-8),which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land- (Holy Land-Israel).
DETAIL: In the first vision, as is written in the chapter 7(see 8;v.1), the fourth kingdom is described as follow:
Dan.7:v.7- ...and behold a fourth Beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the Beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. Verse 8 - I considered the (10)horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,... (The litle horn was not enthroned yet)
NOTE VERY VERY IMPORTANT: From verse 9 onwards or henceforth the PROPHECY jumps from the time of the appearance of fourth kingdom BC, to our days, to the present time, and even to times to come soon yet. The Abomination of Desolation manifested not itself yet, but it will happen in this new decade. Can you discern this?
10 And it (the little horn) waxed great, even to the host of heaven (God's people-the Christian people-the Church); and it cast down some of the host (believers) and of the stars to the ground(1/3 -by the TAIL -angels of the Churches-Revelation 1:v.20), and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he (the little horn) magnified himself (magnified as God) even to the prince of the host(Michael-Revelation 12), and by the little horn the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.
COMMENTS - THE DAILY SACRIFICE IS TAKEN AWAY BY THE LITLLE HORN
Identifying the little horn, by whom will be taken away the daily sacrifice, and the place of sanctuary will be cast down.
Paul Apostle prophesied about the little horn who comes from the ten horns, who is from the tribe of Dan, as prophesied Jacob: Genesis 49:v.16-17. Check it out. Paul said: 2 Thessalonians 2:v.4-7-
4 Who (will) opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the MYSTERY of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
THE DISPENSATION OF GRACE WILL CEASE
Then, in fulfilment of the Word of God - the Word is God -, the current Dispensation of Grace will cease, for the MYSTERY of iniquity doth already work (2Th.2:v.7), so the sacrifice of JESUS will no longer work as it always worked, it will cease LITERALLY, as is written, only he who now letteth will let (JESUS's sacrifice), until he be taken out of the way. - Here is revealed the moment IN WHICH will be END the Dispensation of Grace, the place of sanctuary will be CAST DOWN -
THE PLACE OF THE SANCTUARY WILL BE CAST DOWN
Actually, the SACRIFICE of JESUS SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY when the MAN of sin, the son of perdition(the little horn, who is from the tribe of Dan, as prophesied Jacob: Genesis 49:v.16-17. Check it out), sits in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God, then the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION will stand in the holy place in the second half of the last week by 1260 plus 30 days, would say the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and devilish event. And face of the establishment of abomination the sanctuary WILL BE CAST DOWN. (Revelation 11:v.1-2 reveals how will be the END of the FIRST half of the last week(1260 days), the sanctuary will be cast down, when the Beast of the earth is enthroned in the Holy Place to rule the kingdom in the second half of the last week - 1290 days)
ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION
Scriptures say Abomination of Desolation is about the holy and daily sacrifice of JESUS that has been valid daily in these last two millenniums, and will be valid even until the END of this current Dispensation of Grace. Yes, it will be valid until the Abomination of Desolation settles in the holy place, in the temple of God, then the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END.
A SOWER OF CONFUSION
Many people have brought only and only confusion about abomination of desolation, Scripture is not PROPHESYING about sacrifices of animals made in the holy place, be it red heifers, or goats, or pigs, whatever it is, much less is prophesying about DEMONIC SACRIFICES made by the gentile Antiochus, oh no, absolutely no. By the way, even in this site that devilish theory about Antiochus's sacrifice has been posted here deceiving the readers. What a sin.
SACRIFICE OF JESUS - VALIDITY TIME
I'm sure you know that Scriptures say Abomination of desolation is about the holy and daily sacrifice of JESUS that has been valid daily in these last two millenniums, and will be valid even until the END of this current Dispensation of Grace. Yes, it will be valid until the abomination of desolation settles in the holy place, in the temple of God, then the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END. Actually, the SACRIFICE of JESUS SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY when the MAN of sin, the son of perdition(the little horn, who is from the tribe of Dan, as prophesied Jacob: Genesis 49:v.16-17. Check it out), sits in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God, then the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION will stand in the holy place in the second half of the last week by 1260 plus 30 days, would say the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and devilish event.
12KJV - And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression (transgression of the great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt), and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. - God is Truth -
12NIV-for comparision - Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people[a] and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground. - God is Truth -
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake(dialogue between JESUS and Michael the archangel(?), How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot. (Revelation 11:v.1-2-the holy city shall be trodden by Gentiles )
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.(HERE ENDS THE VISION OF DANIEL.)
Verses 15to19 is a description about Daniel's quest to interpret his vision
15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the END shall be the vision.
18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be IN THE LAST END of the indignation: for at the time appointed the END shall be.
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CONTINUATION OF POST ABOVE
~~~~~INTERPRETATION OF DANIEL's VISION~~~~~
VERSES 20 TO 27
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are:the kings of Media and Persia. (Ciro and Dario:Ciro reined from 559-530BC/Dario from 522–486BC-Daniel 2:v.39)
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia(336BC-323BC-Dan.2:v.39):and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
~REMEMBER: Daniel's vison was in the time of the king Belshazzar. The FIRST vision in the FIRST year of king Belshazzar. The second vision in the third year of Belshazzar.
22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, FOUR kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. (In others words, as for the horn that broke, and four rose up in its place, these are four kingdoms that will arise out of this nation, but not with the power the first king, actually they are lower kingdoms-Daniel 2:v.39 reveals-, but the fourth kingdom will be strengthened later, over time).
Comments and interpretation of verses 23-27:
Jewish Scriptures (Complete Jewish Bible) say about the latter part of his reign, that is the second part of the last week-1290 days-, when the evildoers/transgressors become as evil as possible-v.23; And the Verse 24 KJV says his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: (He will make an alliance with the Beast of sea having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his 7 heads the name of blasphemy.(the Papacy-Rev.13:v.2);
And so on, as is commented below , verses 23to27:
Daniel 8:v. 23 - 27 -
Versions: Complete Jewish Bible and KJV for comparision, verse by verse.
verse 23 Complete Jewish Bible says:
In the latter part of their reign,(second half of the last week-Dan12:12);
when the evildoers/transgressors have become as evil as possible, (Matt.24:v.15-22);
there will arise an arrogant king (arrogant Beast: Revelation 13:11-18);
skilled in intrigue.(understood in guessings-esoteric/kabbalist/spiritist Beast);
Verse 23 - King James Version says:
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences(understood in guessings), shall stand up.
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Verse 24 KJV
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: (He will make an alliance with the Beast of sea(the Papacy)-Rev.13:v.2);
he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise-Rev.13:v.15;
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.(Revelation 13:v.7 and 11:v.7)
Verse 24 - CJB (for comparision)
His power will be great, but not with the power (as) the first king had. He will be amazingly destructive, he will succeed in whatever he does, and he will destroy the mighty and the holy ones
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Verse 25 CJB
25 He will succeed through craftiness and deceit,(Rev.13:v.14)
will become swelled with pride, and destroy many people just when they feel the most secure. (Revelation 13:v.12)
He will even challenge the prince of princes; but, without human intervention, he will be broken.
Verse 25 KJV (for comparision)
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself(AS GOD) in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.(Dan.2:v.45)
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Verse 26- CJB
The vision of the evenings and mornings which has been told is true; but you are to keep the vision secret, because it is about days in the distant future.”(Mat.24:v.15 & Dan.11:v.31-35 and 12:v.11-12)
Verse 26-KJV - for comparision
And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
verse 27-KJV - And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
~~~~~INTERPRETATION OF DANIEL's VISION~~~~~
VERSES 20 TO 27
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are:the kings of Media and Persia. (Ciro and Dario:Ciro reined from 559-530BC/Dario from 522–486BC-Daniel 2:v.39)
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia(336BC-323BC-Dan.2:v.39):and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
~REMEMBER: Daniel's vison was in the time of the king Belshazzar. The FIRST vision in the FIRST year of king Belshazzar. The second vision in the third year of Belshazzar.
22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, FOUR kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. (In others words, as for the horn that broke, and four rose up in its place, these are four kingdoms that will arise out of this nation, but not with the power the first king, actually they are lower kingdoms-Daniel 2:v.39 reveals-, but the fourth kingdom will be strengthened later, over time).
Comments and interpretation of verses 23-27:
Jewish Scriptures (Complete Jewish Bible) say about the latter part of his reign, that is the second part of the last week-1290 days-, when the evildoers/transgressors become as evil as possible-v.23; And the Verse 24 KJV says his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: (He will make an alliance with the Beast of sea having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his 7 heads the name of blasphemy.(the Papacy-Rev.13:v.2);
And so on, as is commented below , verses 23to27:
Daniel 8:v. 23 - 27 -
Versions: Complete Jewish Bible and KJV for comparision, verse by verse.
verse 23 Complete Jewish Bible says:
In the latter part of their reign,(second half of the last week-Dan12:12);
when the evildoers/transgressors have become as evil as possible, (Matt.24:v.15-22);
there will arise an arrogant king (arrogant Beast: Revelation 13:11-18);
skilled in intrigue.(understood in guessings-esoteric/kabbalist/spiritist Beast);
Verse 23 - King James Version says:
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences(understood in guessings), shall stand up.
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Verse 24 KJV
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: (He will make an alliance with the Beast of sea(the Papacy)-Rev.13:v.2);
he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise-Rev.13:v.15;
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.(Revelation 13:v.7 and 11:v.7)
Verse 24 - CJB (for comparision)
His power will be great, but not with the power (as) the first king had. He will be amazingly destructive, he will succeed in whatever he does, and he will destroy the mighty and the holy ones
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Verse 25 CJB
25 He will succeed through craftiness and deceit,(Rev.13:v.14)
will become swelled with pride, and destroy many people just when they feel the most secure. (Revelation 13:v.12)
He will even challenge the prince of princes; but, without human intervention, he will be broken.
Verse 25 KJV (for comparision)
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself(AS GOD) in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.(Dan.2:v.45)
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Verse 26- CJB
The vision of the evenings and mornings which has been told is true; but you are to keep the vision secret, because it is about days in the distant future.”(Mat.24:v.15 & Dan.11:v.31-35 and 12:v.11-12)
Verse 26-KJV - for comparision
And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
verse 27-KJV - And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
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The theory you are selling is not yours, it is a false interpretation of the Word of God in which you are believing unfortunatelly. By the way, the Word is God, God is the Truth. What is your point? You should not believe in spirit of lie, should you? But the most sin is of him who invented that cunningly devised fable.
In fact, the MAN - little horn - manifested not himself until now, he will do henceforth, therefore,to associate the prophecy of Daniel with Antiochus is a false interpretation of Scriptures, even in the way the Devil likes it, for the spirit of prophecy speaking of the little horn, it will fulfil yet LITERALLY but henceforth. The prophecy does not refers to Antiochus, absolutely, if you believe in that false interpretation, then you are believing in the spirit of lie.
Deuteronomy 18:v.20 - The Word is God
The prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods(gods of this world), even that prophet shall die. -The Word is God -
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Did not you read in the same chapter 7 the verses 7to11?
Dan.7:v.7-11:
7 ...and behold a fourth Beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the Beasts that were before it; and it had (10) ten horns.
8 - I considered the (10)horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,... (The litle horn was not enthroned yet)
NOTE VERY VERY IMPORTANT: From verse 9 onwards or henceforth the PROPHECY jumps from the time of the appearance of FOURTH kingdom BC, to our days, to the present time, and even to times to come soon yet. The Abomination of Desolation manifested not itself yet, but it will happen in this new decade. Can you discern this?
10 And the little horn waxed great, even to the host of heaven (God's people-the Christian people-the Church); and it cast down some of the host (believers) and of the stars to the ground(1/3 -by the TAIL -angels of the Churches-Revelation 1:v.20), and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, the little horn magnified himself (magnified as if he was God) even to the prince of the host(Michael-Revelation 12), and by the little horn the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.
- THE DAILY SACRIFICE IS TAKEN AWAY BY THE LITLLE HORN -
What prevails is the Word of God. Where do the DAILY SACRIFICE appear in the history of your post about the supposed 10 kings, and about the little horn? Yes, where?
The interpretation you are posting here has nothing to do with the Word of God. Terrible. Very terrible, what you wrote has nothing to do with the revelations God showed to Daniel, and Daniel prophesied. In fact, what you wrote is a mere cunningly devised fable, and you were transformed in a mere historyteller.
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I like to read prophecies of Daniel, so I will take this space to write part about his wonderful interpretation of Nebuchadnezzars's dream:
Daniel 2:v.40-44
40 And the FOURTH kingdom shall be strong as iron (Roman Empire): forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
41 And whereas thou sawest the FEET(2) and TOES(10), part of potters' CLAY, and part of IRON, the FOURTH kingdom shall be divided (IN TWO PARTS-THE FEET); but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron MIXED with miry CLAY.
42 And as the TOES(10) of the FEET were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Aleluiaaaaa!
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Imperial Rome.
Papal Rome.
The abomination of desolation does not appear in Daniel 7. You're confusing Daniel 7 with Daniel 8. Can you recognize this?
The daily sacrifice does not appear in Daniel 7. You're confusing Daniel 7 with Daniel 8.
The daily sacrifice does not appear in Daniel 7. You're confusing Daniel 7 with Daniel 8. That's where.
The interpretation you are posting here is an example of private "interpretation by imagination", which ignores and distorts the Word of God, ignores the prophetic fulfillments of history, and impugns the faith, vision, and sacrifice of the historical defenders of the faith. You need to abandon it.
A glorious prophecy of the Kingdom of God and Heaven which our Lord established at His first coming, and which is fulfilled in His True Church.
There, I answered all your questions, but you didn't answer mine, so here it is again:
Did the devil like the Reformation?
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