King of Israel

Bruce Leiter said:

I agree with you except that the period of the Judges is a rebellious time too. Israel would fall into idolatry, God would punish them by allowing pagan people to invade their land, they cry out to him, and he uses weak or out-of-place people like Gideon to deliver them. Then, the vicious cycle is repeated over again. The pattern is described at the very beginning. Throughout all the historical period of Israel, there remains a faithful, small group of believers like Boaz in the Book of Ruth, who lives during the time of the judges.

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I agree...Thanks

I would offer to add. The time of judges, no outward representation of the King of kings and Lord of lords, it became rebellious because natural unredeemed mankind unlike those sent with the word of God the prophets like Gideon, Samson or Deborah and Rehab. It did not provide a way for the use of the oral traditions of men .The pagan foundation. There jealous rebellion's of other nations led to Kings in Israel "the abomination of desolation" oral traditions making desolate to no effect the word of faith, as it is written.

It was reformed at the promise of Joel .God bringing his prophecy in the tongues of all the nations men a woman prophets as a new manner of a kingdom of priest.

Rebellion's from men who God calls fools (no God in the hearts) are again those who did not have faith coming from a unseen God it began in Genesis. This is when faithless Cain lured his born again brother Abel out into the field and plowed him under. In that way Abel is the first recorded martyr.

Cain establishing the father of lies was a murderer from the beginning the first recorded murder.

It established the pagan foundation. Out of sight out of mind.. . as in "who worships a God not seen"? Again certainly not the fool.

garee said:

I agree...Thanks

I would offer to add. The time of judges, no outward representation of the King of kings and Lord of lords, it became rebellious because natural unredeemed mankind unlike those sent with the word of God the prophets like Gideon, Samson or Deborah and Rehab. It did not provide a way for the use of the oral traditions of men .The pagan foundation. There jealous rebellion's of other nations led to Kings in Israel "the abomination of desolation" oral traditions making desolate to no effect the word of faith, as it is written.

It was reformed at the promise of Joel .God bringing his prophecy in the tongues of all the nations men a woman prophets as a new manner of a kingdom of priest.

Rebellion's from men who God calls fools (no God in the hearts) are again those who did not have faith coming from a unseen God it began in Genesis. This is when faithless Cain lured his born again brother Abel out into the field and plowed him under. In that way Abel is the first recorded martyr.

Cain establishing the father of lies was a murderer from the beginning the first recorded murder.

It established the pagan foundation. Out of sight out of mind.. . as in "who worships a God not seen"? Again certainly not the fool.

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Of course, the pouring out of the Holy Spirit is most definitely accomplished on Pentecost Sunday in the disciples for the power to witness that Jesus predicted. Peter quotes those verses in his sermon.

You talk about Cain. Our men's group has been discussing the early chapters of Genesis, and we concluded that the ancestry line from Adam through Cain was a line of unbelief. On the other hand, the line through Seth and then Enoch to Noah is the believing line. The two lines mix at the beginning of Genesis 6 to produce the unbelieving, violent mass of humanity, except for Noah and his family. After 120 years, God's justice shows in the universal flood.

shilohsfoal said:

You also believe the day of the Lord is in the past?

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There have been Several "Day of the Lord" events that have come to pass In Israel's History.
Here's A Biblical comparison:

The desolation of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was a past "Day of the Lord." After it happened, the prophet Jeremiah tells us:

Lamentations 1:12
behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.

Lamentations 2:1
How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger.

Lamentations 2:21
The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.

Lamentations 2:22
Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained

Note also that it was God who did the killing! Did anyone SEE Jehovah kill people? Was the prophet lying? Of course not. This is how the prophets spoke.

Furthermore, Ezekiel had foretold of this same Day of the Lord against Jerusalem which took place in the 500s BC, saying:

Ezekiel 7:19
They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of Jehovah: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.

And again, Ezekiel says of this same past Day of the Lord...

Ezekiel 13:2-5
Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of Jehovah.

The prophet Zephaniah also calls the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians "the Day of the Lord."

Zephaniah 1:1 - 1:7

The word of Yahweh which came to Zephaniah, the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, in the days of Josiah, the son of Amon, king of Judah. I will utterly sweep away everything off of the surface of the earth, says Yahweh. I will sweep away man and animal. I will sweep away the birds of the sky, the fish of the sea, and the heaps of rubble with the wicked. I will cut off man from the surface of the earth, says Yahweh. I will stretch out my hand against Judah, and against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place: the name of the idolatrous and pagan priests, those who worship the host of the sky on the housetops, those who worship and swear by Yahweh and also swear by Malcam, those who have turned back from following Yahweh, and those who haven't sought Yahweh nor inquired after him. Be silent at the presence of the Lord Yahweh, for the day of Yahweh is at hand. For Yahweh has prepared a sacrifice. He has consecrated his guests.

Folks, there we have the classic "Day of the Lord" in scripture. The prophets speak of Jehovah who comes down and does a whole host of "physical" things. Yet did anyone SEE Yahweh do these things? Was Zephaniah lying? This scripture goes on all the way to the end of Zephaniah chapter two, and be sure to note that the judgments that ensue upon the other surrounding nations are also a past Day of Yahweh event (1:14; 2:2-3).

So, the destruction of Jerusalem in the 500s BC is just one example of MANY past day of the LORD events.

I'll even give you another.

The destruction of Babylon by the Medes in 539 BC was a PAST "Day of the Lord" event, according to Isaiah:

Isaiah 13:1
13 The burden against Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw.

13:6 Wail, for the day of the Lord is at hand!
It will come as destruction from the Almighty.

13:17 “Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them,
Who will not regard silver;

This is an actual historical event that took place in 539 BC when the Medes overthrew Babylon as Isaiah prophesied.

According to Isaiah, the 539 BC destruction of Babylon by the Medeo-Persian armies was to be rightfully understood as one of many Judgment events in scripture that the prophets called "The Day of the Lord".

Bruce Leiter said:

Of course, the pouring out of the Holy Spirit is most definitely accomplished on Pentecost Sunday in the disciples for the power to witness that Jesus predicted. Peter quotes those verses in his sermon.

You talk about Cain. Our men's group has been discussing the early chapters of Genesis, and we concluded that the ancestry line from Adam through Cain was a line of unbelief. On the other hand, the line through Seth and then Enoch to Noah is the believing line. The two lines mix at the beginning of Genesis 6 to produce the unbelieving, violent mass of humanity, except for Noah and his family. After 120 years, God's justice shows in the universal flood.

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Yes, the power was displayed at Pentecost .But it was not a different Spirit that had been poured out on Abel in Genesis. Abel who by the faith Christ that comes by hearing God that worked in him it looked ahead at the suffering of the Son of man Jesus and the glory (graves were opened) that which followed the renting of the veil.(a sign of the bloody circumcision of the first born the husband, Christ. )This is when he said; “it is finished”.

The Old Testament saints received the end of their new born again faith from the beginning just as us. They looked ahead by faith.

Believers on this side of the cross by the same spirit of faith as it is written looked back. We have the privilege of looking back to the same promised demonstration..

1 Peter 1:9-11 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Yes Adam and Eve in the image of God, two generations or beginnings.

The first born or created mankind followed the first birth of man and woman procreation are “daughters of men” the non-redeemed human race. It is also called the evil generation. No faith coming from hearing God.. . none not little.

The second born Abel is used to represent God’s first born the Son of man, Jesus. Jesus in that way is considered the second Adam.

Cain the firstborn of daughters of men was murdered by faithless Cain under the influence of the god of this world Satan, the murderer from that beginning.

Because the father of lies, the spirit of error that works in the unredeemed is not subject to salvation he would kill the entire human race not knowing the spiritual born again seed Christ.( No faith)

The spiritual seed (Christ) was passed to Seth and eventually to Noah a renown of God or giant of the faith of Christ who worked in Noah. From there the seed ( not fleshly as many mankind) )was passed to Abraham to represent the father of all nations and people mankind who are freely given the faith of Christ to believe God like Able the second born. Then to Abraham and Isaac, the son of promise or son of faith (sons of God) and again the second born, Jacob.

Esau like Cain had no value in the unseen things of God he sold his birth rite for a cup of goat soup . Onan spilled the seed representing the spiritual seed, the generation of Christ. Seeing no value in the unseen things of God it then went to Pharez .

The born again generation Christ ended at the birth of Jesus. . ( the end of that kind of genealogy). The generation of Adam as daughters of men will end on the last day under the Sun .

Genesis 50:24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob