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Shellfish—Eat at Your Own Risk
As a general rule, unclean aquatic creatures are either scavengers or predatory carnivores (such as most sharks). Most clean, edible marine life—those with both fins and scales—are found in deep or fast-running waters and primarily consume algae. However, many varieties (such as the common bass) eat smaller fish, frogs, insects, etc.—but clean fish do not eat dead matter. They also have an efficient enzymatic system of detoxification.

Most unclean aquatic creatures are bottom feeders— scavengers that scour marine beds for dead, decaying matter. The highly popular catfish—which has fins but no scales—is a bottomfeeding scavenger. This feature is precisely what makes unclean marine life unsafe to eat.

Several poisoning syndromes are associated with the consumption of shellfish (mussels, clams, oysters, and scallops). Four are particularly common: amnesic shellfish poisoning (ASP), diarrheal shellfish poisoning (DSP), neurotoxic shellfish poisoning (NSP), and paralytic shellfish poisoning (PSP).19 Human toxicity and mortality sometimes occur after the ingestion of shellfish, but toxicity is also seen in wild animal populations.

Shellfish are bivalve filter feeders and thus rapidly accumulate toxins produced by microscopic algae such as dinoflagellates, diatoms, and cyanobacteria. The toxicity levels of marine bed algae are often seasonal: when the algae of a given area are in “bloom,” the toxicity is high; shellfish that feed on such algae become highly toxic.20 However, it is important to understand that such toxins are a normal byproduct of their existence. In other words, shellfish are always toxic, and have the potential to become dangerously toxic at any time. Attempting to predict the toxicity level of shellfish is highly problematic—a bit like playing Russian roulette!

Paralytic shellfish poisoning is a persistent problem in Alaska and along the West Coast of the United States. Consequently, the State of California once proposed that the following warning label be required on all shellfish packaging: “This food may be dangerous to your health.” The principal toxin responsible for PSP is saxitoxin— a deadly neurotoxin estimated to be 1,000 times more toxic than cyanide (there is no antidote for PSP, and all cases require immediate medical attention). According to research by the State of Alaska, “bivalve shellfish feed on a literal smorgasbord of microscopic algae. Bivalves are ideal conveyers of the PSP toxin because they are relatively indiscriminate filter feeders and consume massive amounts of algae; [shellfish] are not generally killed by saxitoxins, and pass the accumulated saxitoxins on to any animal [or human] that eats them.” 21

It is a common practice to schedule shellfish harvesting around periods of algal bloom. Yet shellfish can store this toxin for several weeks after an algal bloom passes; others, such as butter clams, are known to store high levels of such toxins for up to two years. Moreover, toxic algae can form cysts that reside in the sediment during the non-bloom seasons. “These cysts are as toxic as the suspended vegetative form that are present during a toxic bloom. Shellfish, being bottom dwelling filter feeders, can continue to consume cysts during non-bloom periods and accumulate PSP toxin.”22

In many areas, “off-season occurrences of PSP are most likely caused by [the] retention of toxins from the summer”—long after an episode of algal toxic bloom. Toxic algae are “moved, concentrated, or dispersed by winds, tides, and water currents.” This “patchy distribution” of toxic algae can result in adjacent bays producing shellfish with disparate levels of toxicity—again, making the prediction of risk quite uncertain. For example, in 1993 there were five outbreaks of PSP in the Kodiak area of Alaska, none of which were related to episodes of seasonal algal bloom.23

The fact is, bottom feeders such as shellfish contain hundreds of times more toxins, heavy metals, and harmful chemicals than fish that feed above the bottom—and just happen to have fins and scales. Moreover, the toxins responsible for most shellfish poisonings are water-soluble, heat- and acid-stable, and are thus unaffected by ordinary cooking methods.24

Severe illness from the consumption of raw oysters from the Gulf of Mexico is associated with the bacteria Vibrio vulnificus. Septicemia from this bacteria carries a fatality rate of greater than 50 percent. Some 140 cases were reported by the CDC from 1988 through 1995. “V. vulnificus is present in up to 50% of oyster beds with the water conditions that prevail in the Gulf of Mexico during warm months…. Cases are most commonly reported during warmweather months (April-November), and often are associated with eating raw oysters.” 25

All aquatic scavengers—shellfish, shrimp, catfish, crabs, lobster, squid—are toxic, and their consumption violates God’s instructions designed to protect human health. Why gamble with your health by eating what God has declared to be unclean? Has not God given mankind an abundance of clean fish to eat?


Clean and Unclean Birds
As a rule, unclean birds are predatory—those that kill and eat other animals—or are scavengers, such as the vulture, that eat carrion. Most of them are listed by name or genus in Leviticus 11 as unclean. Generally, clean birds are herbivores; however, farm birds such as chickens do eat a certain amount of small bugs and worms— and ducks eat small fish. (On most commercial poultry farms today, chickens are fed fishmeal or carcass meal—processed dead animals—which raises questions as to their suitability for human consumption.)

While Scripture does not mention clean birds having a “crop,” it does appear that this unique pre-digestion chamber assists in the complete digestion of food and the avoidance of fermentation.


Animals That Eat Animals
God does not reveal in Scripture the precise reasons why the eating of unclean animals is dangerous to our health. Yet we can make certain generalizations based on a particularly notable feature of unclean animals: they are generally consumers of “secondary” materials—that is, they are animals that eat other animals (or their byproducts). God forbids the consumption of all scavengers and carrion eaters—those that devour other animals. Pigs and vultures scavenge decaying flesh; predatory animals such as wolves and various cats typically prey on the weakest (and often the diseased) of a herd. While unclean marine creatures do eat tremendous amounts of algae, they also scavenge dead, decaying matter—even sewage.

The common denominator seems to be the fact that unclean animals habitually eat flesh that would normally sicken or kill humans. By contrast, clean animals almost exclusively consume “primary” materials—various forms of plant life. Moreover, clean animals never eat dead animals or animal byproducts.

It is apparent that God created numerous unclean animals for the express purpose of cleaning up after other animals. Calling them the “sanitation workers of our ecology,” nutritionist David Meinz writes: “Could it be that God, in His wisdom, created certain creatures whose sole purpose is to clean up after the others?”26

Dr. Russell agrees: “Pigs have eaten Philadelphia’s garbage and sewage for more than 100 years, saving the city $3 million a year in landfill costs. This is a wise use of hogs. They are designed [by God] to clean our environment.” Certain scavenger species of marine life perform a similar function. Catfish, for example, “always show the highest levels of contamination in chemically polluted water. After chemical spills, local fishermen are warned not to eat catfish.” Dr. Russell concludes: “Although swine help clean the earth, and shellfish and catfish are ideally designed to purify the water, we don’t want to eat what they clean up!”27
 
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How do you know the Bible is the sole authority?

Because God is unchanging. Jesus says He will give us the Holy Spirit to keep God's Holy law not to break it. The Holy Spirit is not going to go against the commandments of God. The spirit that changed Gods 4th commandment is not from God.

John 14:15-18
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever

1 Peter 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

Please show me in the Bible where God gives His Holy Spirit so that you can change Gods commandments?
 
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Because God is unchanging. The Jesus says He will give us the Holy Spirit to keep God's Holy law not to break it. The Holy Spirit is not going to go against the commandments of God. The spirit that changed Gods 4th commandment is not from God.

So the Spirit didn’t change God’s commandment in Acts 15?
 
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Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you

Ok your answer is circular. Your quoting the Bible to confirm its authenticity. Do you believe the Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy is the Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy because it says it is? Or what about the Infancy gospel of Thomas how do you know it was not inspired by God?
 
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So the Spirit didn’t change God’s commandment in Acts 15?
Acts 15 1. And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

First of all what do you see here according to the custom of Moses, not Gods law.

Traditions, ordinances and ceremonial laws are quite different than Gods commandments. That's why there is this scripture:

I Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. What is important? but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. Like so many other verses in the Bible.

Can you answer my question- can you show me any scripture where the Holy Spirit shows where it changed Gods commandments. I just showed you explicit scripture where Jesus with His own words before the crucifixion said John 14:15-18 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Is that not powerful enough for you? Jesus asked us to keep His commandments to show Him love. He even provides the Holy Spirit to help keep them, not break them. Why do you gloss over this scripture? Was this a confusing scripture we need someone else to translate it for us? It seems pretty clear. We should be elated, Jesus is going to give us the Holy Spirit to help keep the commandments of God, we don't have do it all on our own, but we have to want to and try. Praise God.
 
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Ok your answer is circular. Your quoting the Bible to confirm its authenticity. Do you believe the Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy is the Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy because it says it is? Or what about the Infancy gospel of Thomas how do you know it was not inspired by God?
So now you don't believe in the Bible or the teaching of the Bible?
 
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Ok your answer is circular. Your quoting the Bible to confirm its authenticity. Do you believe the Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy is the Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy because it says it is? Or what about the Infancy gospel of Thomas how do you know it was not inspired by God?
Would love to continue but I have to get on with my day. Seems like you were left with some powerful scriptures on keeping the commandments of God. Do you really think man has authority to change what God wrote with His own hand. Maybe something to pray about?
 
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Shellfish—Eat at Your Own Risk
As a general rule, unclean aquatic creatures are either scavengers or predatory carnivores (such as most sharks). Most clean, edible marine life—those with both fins and scales—are found in deep or fast-running waters and primarily consume algae. However, many varieties (such as the common bass) eat smaller fish, frogs, insects, etc.—but clean fish do not eat dead matter. They also have an efficient enzymatic system of detoxification.

Most unclean aquatic creatures are bottom feeders— scavengers that scour marine beds for dead, decaying matter. The highly popular catfish—which has fins but no scales—is a bottomfeeding scavenger. This feature is precisely what makes unclean marine life unsafe to eat.

Several poisoning syndromes are associated with the consumption of shellfish (mussels, clams, oysters, and scallops). Four are particularly common: amnesic shellfish poisoning (ASP), diarrheal shellfish poisoning (DSP), neurotoxic shellfish poisoning (NSP), and paralytic shellfish poisoning (PSP).19 Human toxicity and mortality sometimes occur after the ingestion of shellfish, but toxicity is also seen in wild animal populations.

Shellfish are bivalve filter feeders and thus rapidly accumulate toxins produced by microscopic algae such as dinoflagellates, diatoms, and cyanobacteria. The toxicity levels of marine bed algae are often seasonal: when the algae of a given area are in “bloom,” the toxicity is high; shellfish that feed on such algae become highly toxic.20 However, it is important to understand that such toxins are a normal byproduct of their existence. In other words, shellfish are always toxic, and have the potential to become dangerously toxic at any time. Attempting to predict the toxicity level of shellfish is highly problematic—a bit like playing Russian roulette!

Paralytic shellfish poisoning is a persistent problem in Alaska and along the West Coast of the United States. Consequently, the State of California once proposed that the following warning label be required on all shellfish packaging: “This food may be dangerous to your health.” The principal toxin responsible for PSP is saxitoxin— a deadly neurotoxin estimated to be 1,000 times more toxic than cyanide (there is no antidote for PSP, and all cases require immediate medical attention). According to research by the State of Alaska, “bivalve shellfish feed on a literal smorgasbord of microscopic algae. Bivalves are ideal conveyers of the PSP toxin because they are relatively indiscriminate filter feeders and consume massive amounts of algae; [shellfish] are not generally killed by saxitoxins, and pass the accumulated saxitoxins on to any animal [or human] that eats them.” 21

It is a common practice to schedule shellfish harvesting around periods of algal bloom. Yet shellfish can store this toxin for several weeks after an algal bloom passes; others, such as butter clams, are known to store high levels of such toxins for up to two years. Moreover, toxic algae can form cysts that reside in the sediment during the non-bloom seasons. “These cysts are as toxic as the suspended vegetative form that are present during a toxic bloom. Shellfish, being bottom dwelling filter feeders, can continue to consume cysts during non-bloom periods and accumulate PSP toxin.”22

In many areas, “off-season occurrences of PSP are most likely caused by [the] retention of toxins from the summer”—long after an episode of algal toxic bloom. Toxic algae are “moved, concentrated, or dispersed by winds, tides, and water currents.” This “patchy distribution” of toxic algae can result in adjacent bays producing shellfish with disparate levels of toxicity—again, making the prediction of risk quite uncertain. For example, in 1993 there were five outbreaks of PSP in the Kodiak area of Alaska, none of which were related to episodes of seasonal algal bloom.23

The fact is, bottom feeders such as shellfish contain hundreds of times more toxins, heavy metals, and harmful chemicals than fish that feed above the bottom—and just happen to have fins and scales. Moreover, the toxins responsible for most shellfish poisonings are water-soluble, heat- and acid-stable, and are thus unaffected by ordinary cooking methods.24

Severe illness from the consumption of raw oysters from the Gulf of Mexico is associated with the bacteria Vibrio vulnificus. Septicemia from this bacteria carries a fatality rate of greater than 50 percent. Some 140 cases were reported by the CDC from 1988 through 1995. “V. vulnificus is present in up to 50% of oyster beds with the water conditions that prevail in the Gulf of Mexico during warm months…. Cases are most commonly reported during warmweather months (April-November), and often are associated with eating raw oysters.” 25

All aquatic scavengers—shellfish, shrimp, catfish, crabs, lobster, squid—are toxic, and their consumption violates God’s instructions designed to protect human health. Why gamble with your health by eating what God has declared to be unclean? Has not God given mankind an abundance of clean fish to eat?


Clean and Unclean Birds
As a rule, unclean birds are predatory—those that kill and eat other animals—or are scavengers, such as the vulture, that eat carrion. Most of them are listed by name or genus in Leviticus 11 as unclean. Generally, clean birds are herbivores; however, farm birds such as chickens do eat a certain amount of small bugs and worms— and ducks eat small fish. (On most commercial poultry farms today, chickens are fed fishmeal or carcass meal—processed dead animals—which raises questions as to their suitability for human consumption.)

While Scripture does not mention clean birds having a “crop,” it does appear that this unique pre-digestion chamber assists in the complete digestion of food and the avoidance of fermentation.


Animals That Eat Animals
God does not reveal in Scripture the precise reasons why the eating of unclean animals is dangerous to our health. Yet we can make certain generalizations based on a particularly notable feature of unclean animals: they are generally consumers of “secondary” materials—that is, they are animals that eat other animals (or their byproducts). God forbids the consumption of all scavengers and carrion eaters—those that devour other animals. Pigs and vultures scavenge decaying flesh; predatory animals such as wolves and various cats typically prey on the weakest (and often the diseased) of a herd. While unclean marine creatures do eat tremendous amounts of algae, they also scavenge dead, decaying matter—even sewage.

The common denominator seems to be the fact that unclean animals habitually eat flesh that would normally sicken or kill humans. By contrast, clean animals almost exclusively consume “primary” materials—various forms of plant life. Moreover, clean animals never eat dead animals or animal byproducts.

It is apparent that God created numerous unclean animals for the express purpose of cleaning up after other animals. Calling them the “sanitation workers of our ecology,” nutritionist David Meinz writes: “Could it be that God, in His wisdom, created certain creatures whose sole purpose is to clean up after the others?”26

Dr. Russell agrees: “Pigs have eaten Philadelphia’s garbage and sewage for more than 100 years, saving the city $3 million a year in landfill costs. This is a wise use of hogs. They are designed [by God] to clean our environment.” Certain scavenger species of marine life perform a similar function. Catfish, for example, “always show the highest levels of contamination in chemically polluted water. After chemical spills, local fishermen are warned not to eat catfish.” Dr. Russell concludes: “Although swine help clean the earth, and shellfish and catfish are ideally designed to purify the water, we don’t want to eat what they clean up!”27

There are a lot of poisonous fish that have scales and fins.
 
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Would love to continue but I have to get on with my day. Seems like you were left with some powerful scriptures on keeping the commandments of God. Do you really think man has authority to change what God wrote with His own hand. Maybe something to pray about?

No I’ve never thought that man has the authority to abolish any of God’s commandments but I have seen evidence in the scriptures themselves that show the Holy Spirit abolishing one of God’s commandments and communicating that abolishment thru men. I think I’ve already clearly demonstrated that.
 
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So now you don't believe in the Bible or the teaching of the Bible?

No I do believe in the Bible I also believe that you just don’t want to admit that the only way you know that the scriptures are the word of God is because the church told you. It was the church that told the world which books were inspired and which books were not. Just don’t reject the truth in order to hold to a belief. It doesn’t make much sense for the church to endure persecution and martyrdom for a lie.
 
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No I do believe in the Bible I also believe that you just don’t want to admit that the only way you know that the scriptures are the word of God is because the church told you. It was the church that told the world which books were inspired and which books were not. Just don’t reject the truth in order to hold to a belief. It doesn’t make much sense for the church to endure persecution and martyrdom for a lie.
Please don't tell me how I feel, because you are so far from the truth. We don't know each other, so for you to say how I feel from a public forum is pretty ridiculous.

The thing you seem to keep forgetting and twisting is where I am getting this information. I have never quoted any SDA doctrines only Bible scripture. I do believe in the teaching of the Bible. I have been Blessed by God's Spirit and I also try to keep all of Gods commandments. I tried it the other way and it didn't work for me. God has such wonderful Blessings He wants to give each of us, but has clearly asked in both New and Old Testaments to keep His commandments.

No I’ve never thought that man has the authority to abolish any of God’s commandments but I have seen evidence in the scriptures themselves that show the Holy Spirit abolishing one of God’s commandments and communicating that abolishment thru men. I think I’ve already clearly demonstrated that.

No, sorry you did not- where is that scripture again? You pointed to Acts 15 which I clearly gave you Biblical scripture it had nothing to do with the commandments of God.
 
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the only way you know that the scriptures are the word of God is because the church told you. It was the church that told the world which books were inspired and which books were not.
Brother, the Scriptures are the result of prophets inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is the work of God and not of humans.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NIV)​

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Brother, the Scriptures are the result of prophets inspired by Holy Spirit. It is the work of God and not of humans.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NIV)​

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Amen but there were many books claimed to be inspired by God. It was the church thru the guidance of the Holy Spirit who decided which books were inspired and which weren’t. Many books were presented and rejected.
 
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Please don't tell me how I feel, because you are so far from the truth. We don't know each other, so for you to say how I feel from a public forum is pretty ridiculous.

The thing you seem to keep forgetting and twisting is where I am getting this information. I have never quoted any SDA doctrines only Bible scripture. I do believe in the teaching of the Bible. I have been Blessed by God's Spirit and I also try to keep all of Gods commandments. I tried it the other way and it didn't work for me. God has such wonderful Blessings He wants to give each of us, but has clearly asked in both New and Old Testaments to keep His commandments.



No, sorry you did not- where is that scripture again? You pointed to Acts 15 which I clearly gave you Biblical scripture it had nothing to do with the commandments of God.

The decision made in Acts 15 had nothing to do with this commandment?

“And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:12-14‬ ‭NASB
 
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The decision made in Acts 15 had nothing to do with this commandment?

“And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:12-14‬ ‭NASB

Correct! If you are a child of God, adopted under the New Covenant, then circumcision (of the flesh) is irrelevant.

Why are you trying to mix the two? If you're under the OT law then you must abide by all of it. If you're under NT grace the OT law, including physical circumcision, no longer applies. Circumcision is a symbol only of your adherence to a Old Covenant command.
 
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Amen but there were many books claimed to be inspired by God. It was the church thru the guidance of the Holy Spirit who decided which books were inspired and which weren’t. Many books were presented and rejected.
Brother, the church is not guaranteed to speak for God, only guaranteed is the inspiration through the prophet to speak for God. God spoke directly to Israel, but because they were afraid of dying, they asked for a prophet and God agreed with their decision to prevent them from dying.

These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me. When you heard the voice out of the darkness, while the mountain was ablaze with fire, all the leaders of your tribes and your elders came to me. And you said, “The Lord our God has shown us his glory and his majesty, and we have heard his voice from the fire. Today we have seen that a person can live even if God speaks with them. But now, why should we die? This great fire will consume us, and we will die if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any longer. For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? Go near and listen to all that the Lord our God says. Then tell us whatever the Lord our God tells you. We will listen and obey.” The Lord heard you when you spoke to me, and the Lord said to me, “I have heard what this people said to you. Everything they said was good. Oh, that their hearts would be inclined to fear me and keep all my commands always, so that it might go well with them and their children forever! “Go, tell them to return to their tents. But you stay here with me so that I may give you all the commands, decrees and laws you are to teach them to follow in the land I am giving them to possess.” So be careful to do what the Lord your God has commanded you; do not turn aside to the right or to the left. Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess. (Deuteronomy 5:22-33 NIV)​

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Correct! If you are a child of God, adopted under the New Covenant, then circumcision (of the flesh) is irrelevant.

Why are you trying to mix the two? If you're under the OT law then you must abide by all of it. If you're under NT grace the OT law, including physical circumcision, no longer applies. Circumcision is a symbol only of your adherence to a Old Covenant command.

The 10 commandments are Old Testament law, and so are the dietary laws. And yet SDA insists that keeping these laws are mandatory for salvation. So I agree, yes if your trying to be justified by the law you must keep the entire law not just pick which ones you want to keep and ignore the ones you don’t want to keep.
 
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Their claimed authority as being churches established by the apostles. I can’t seem to find Ellen White listed among the apostles in my bible for some reason. :scratch:
Peter established Sunday keeping Ham eating churches?

I thought James was clear what was concluded in Acts 15 and Peter and Paul were there:

No sexual immorality...no eating meat offered to idols...no blood in meat and no meat strangled/suffocated/natural causes

Deuteronomy 14:21 has three categories for what to do with this meat:

1. Natives do not eat it
2. Aliens may be given it to eat
3. Foreigners may be SOLD it to eat

So by forbidding these gentiles crowding synagogues every Sabbath to hear about One resurrected and for the forgiveness for ALL...which category was it decided for them to be?

Answer: NATIVE...did you guess that? Neat eh? So INDEED they are Israel adopted into it and as James concluded they would CONTINUE to hear Moses preached every Sabbath...Acts 15:21...you catch that?

Just like when at Sinai Israel receiving the living oracles from their Husband was already full of those NOT of Jacob...REMEMBER the Sabbath its strangers within the gates? THE ONLY commandment to INCLUDE them...the irony

So tell me...you think NOT offering SWINE to an idol or making sure it was free of blood or properly killed made it clean to eat?

"But but but MOISHE I made sure this dog meat was not offered to Zeus" LOL

Oh and what is it with you and Ellen? She didn't even come up with the Sabbath...

Oh and Paul had Timothy circumcised AFTER all this...so circumcision was NOT abolished...just no longer the point...

Peter said we ought to obey Yah and not man his traditions...

I will stand with "first pope" Peter...he kept things pretty clean...errrr clear...
 
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Brother, the church is not guaranteed to speak for God, only guaranteed is the inspiration through the prophet to speak for God. God spoke directly to Israel, but because they were afraid of dying, they asked for a prophet and God agreed with their decision to prevent them from dying.

These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me. When you heard the voice out of the darkness, while the mountain was ablaze with fire, all the leaders of your tribes and your elders came to me. And you said, “The Lord our God has shown us his glory and his majesty, and we have heard his voice from the fire. Today we have seen that a person can live even if God speaks with them. But now, why should we die? This great fire will consume us, and we will die if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any longer. For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? Go near and listen to all that the Lord our God says. Then tell us whatever the Lord our God tells you. We will listen and obey.” The Lord heard you when you spoke to me, and the Lord said to me, “I have heard what this people said to you. Everything they said was good. Oh, that their hearts would be inclined to fear me and keep all my commands always, so that it might go well with them and their children forever! “Go, tell them to return to their tents. But you stay here with me so that I may give you all the commands, decrees and laws you are to teach them to follow in the land I am giving them to possess.” So be careful to do what the Lord your God has commanded you; do not turn aside to the right or to the left. Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess. (Deuteronomy 5:22-33 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Matthew 16:18 the church is guaranteed to prevail over the gates of hell. SDA teaches implies that the gates of hell prevailed at Nicaea when the church decided it was acceptable to worship on Sunday which means that from 325AD and 1827AD the entire world didn’t have a true Christian church. All had accepted the mark of the beast according to Ellen White. The world was completely void of Christ’s Church for 1500 years?
 
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Matthew 16:18 the church is guaranteed to prevail over the gates of hell. SDA teaches implies that the gates of hell prevailed at Nicaea when the church decided it was acceptable to worship on Sunday which means that from 325AD and 1827AD the entire world didn’t have a true Christian church. All had accepted the mark of the beast according to Ellen White. The world was completely void of Christ’s Church for 1500 years?

Some even now claim Peter's seat empty and an heretical imposter in its place...they feel TOO much tradition was added...and now the office occupied by a heretic since 1960's...

they protest too...the irony

As Peter warned...wolves would come in and change times AND Law...Daniel told him that...sorry you didn't get the memo
 
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