WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

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What I will not do is take your word for it. I trust my Church's understanding because it stems from what the first believers actually taught, learned from the apostles themselves.
I have only provided God's Word and God's Word is not my words. In response you provide your words that are not God's Word but yours. You are free to believe whatever you wish though as I do not judge you. We all answer only to God come judgement day. According to the scriptures we ought to believe and obey God over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Matthew 15:3-9. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. I am sorry dear friend but I cannot see the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church stemming from the bible.
 
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In Ancient Greek that is true, but in Koine Greek the meanings are more general.Πέτρος | billmounce.com Gloss: Peter; this has the designative meaning rock or individual stone, rock, stone Definition:a stone;, in NT the Greek rendering of the surname Cephas, given to the Apostle Simon, and having, therefore, the same sense as πέτρα, Peter, Mt. 4:18; 8:14

The "same sense" is not the "the same" or identical. A piece of rock or pebble is a piece of rock or a pebble or small stone is still a rock in the same sense right? Petros generally meant "pebble or rock fragment," in the Greek while petra meant "boulder" or "cliff".

Accordingly, taking Peter's name means "pebble" or piece of rock. The scripture says "And I tell you that you are Peter (Πέτρος; G4074 Petros a (piece of) rock pebble and on this rock (different Greek Word used - πέτρα; G4073 petra a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock) - different Greek word being used here). I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Note that this was said after JESUS asked who do you think I am... "Upon this Rock (different Greek word πέτρα; G4073 petra a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock)" I will build my Church. Now because of this context and the different words being used I interpret this to being JESUS but I am at peace with either interpretation but let me explain why....

The Church was not built on Peter but the teachings of Christ and the Word of God that JESUS commissioned his 12 Apostles to give to the world. The gates of Hell did prevail against Peter many times although to his credit he acknowledged his mistakes and repented.

The gates of Hell never prevailed against JESUS and all the scriptures of the old and new testament declare JESUS as the "Rock" not Peter (Go read some of those scriptures in the previous posts also provided earlier as evidence showing JESUS is the Rock in *Matthew 16:18; 1 Corinthians 10:4 Matthew 7:24; Psalms 62:7-8; 1 Peter 2:8; Psalms 89:26; Isaiah 8:14; 1 Corinthians 10:4; 1 Corinthians 3:11; Psalms 118:22; 1 Peter 2:6; Romans 9:33; Ephesians 2:20; 2 Samuel 22:47; Psalms 18:2; Psalms 18:46; Psalms 42:9; Psalms 62:7; Psalms 94:22).

Even if you apply the "rock" as Peter building God's Church you run into further problems if your interpretation is to the RCC or any church denomination. Let me explain why. You see this whole Peter argument in my view is a little silly because what it does not consider is that is the biblical definition of "Church" that is to be built is a calling out of a people that believe and follow God's Word. The RCC claims to be the Church yet the "Church" (G1577; ἐκκλησία; ekklēsia - a calling out, or an assembly of saints) is defined in the scriptures as all those who are called out to "believe and follow Gods' Word".

Therefore any people or persons that are no longer believing and following God's Word are by definition not God's Church. This will be shared through the scriptures in more detail shortly in another thread. This is where the premise of Peter's connection to the RCC falls down.

The scriptures teach BABYLON (Christianity) has fallen *Revelation 18:1-5. God is calling us out from where ever we may be back to worship Him in Spirit and in truth, back to the pure Word of God *John 10:16; John 4:23-24.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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The "same sense" is not the "the same" or identical.
In this case it pretty much is.
A piece of rock or pebble is a piece of rock or a pebble or small stone is still a rock in the same sense right?
No.
Petros generally meant "pebble or rock fragment," in the Greek while petra meant "boulder" or "cliff".
In Ancient Greek, yes. In Koine Greek, not so much.
 
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In this case it pretty much is.

No.

In Ancient Greek, yes. In Koine Greek, not so much.
Sorry dear friend, we will have to agree to disagree, for the reasons outlined in post # 722 linked. Your just repeating yourself here without addressing any of the content provided that disagrees with you in the previous post.
 
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Sorry dear friend, we will have to agree to disagree, for the reasons outlined in post # 722 linked. Your just repeating yourself here without addressing any of the content provided that disagrees with you in the previous post.
You are simply repeating yourself, and your post #722 did not address what I posted, it simply rolled out your standard anti-Catholic argument. I am not arguing for the Catholic side so your long diatribe was irrelevant.
 
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You are simply repeating yourself, and your post #722 did not address what I posted, it simply rolled out your standard anti-Catholic argument. I am not arguing for the Catholic side so your long diatribe was irrelevant.
Not really you just ignored everything written in post # 722 linked that disagrees with you and continued repeating yourself so did not think there was much point in continuing so simply stated we will have to agree to disagree. BTW please do not say I am anti-catholic. I am not anti-catholic but I do believe the bible does not support catholic teachings. I am only sharing God's Word. God's Word is not mine but God's. There is no need to get offended.
 
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You just described your own response perfectly. Such hypocrisy, you are very entertaining.
Ok no need to be upset, disrespectful or rude dear friend. We will just have to agree to disagree. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. You are free to believe as you wish. Thank you for sharing your view though.
 
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And this supports your claim to Peter being "the Leader" of the Apostles how? - It doesn't
Jesus naming Peter Kephas and telling him specifically that he would lead the Church does that. And just because you disagree doesn't make it not so. It's there in the Bible.
See, here's the problem. You don't accept what the Bible says, in its totality, in its original meaning and intent. So the problem is really not with Scripture at all. It's with the interpretation.
 
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Jesus naming Peter Kephas and telling him specifically that he would lead the Church does that. And just because you disagree doesn't make it not so. It's there in the Bible.
See, here's the problem. You don't accept what the Bible says, in its totality, in its original meaning and intent. So the problem is really not with Scripture at all. It's with the interpretation.
JESUS did not make Peter "the" leader of the Church. He was one of many. According to the scripture James was the leader. The problem how I see it is that I do accept what the bible says. In evidence you will see it shared with you in nearly all my posts but it seems you do not believe these scriptures that are shared with you. These scriptures are God's Words and not my words but Gods'. In response you deny God's Word with your words that are not God's Word but your words. So who should be believed. According to the scriptures he who God's sends speaks the Words of God *John 3:34 and you do not provide any. I know who I believe and follow. For me dear friend, only God's Word is true *Romans 3:4 and we should believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 5:29 over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9. Many it seems do not understand what the "Church" is according to the scriptures and how God's Word defines God's Church. God's Church according to the scriptures are all those who believe and follow God's Word. If we are no longer believing and following God's Word we are no longer a part of God's Church. It is God's Word not mine that says "BABYLON" has fallen. God is calling his people out and back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5; John 4:23-24.

God's Sheep hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those that do not hear and do not follow are not His sheep *John 10:25-27
 
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I was neither upset, disrespectful nor rude. How very impolite of you to suggest I was otherwise.

I will leave that between you and God to work through. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.
 
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I will leave that between you and God to work through.
Again, dshonestly implying there is something I need to work out with God. It seems like you are the one who is in need of doing this.
 
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Again, dshonestly implying there is something I need to work out with God. It seems like you are the one who is in need of doing this.
Again, no dishonesty my part. Sharing God's Word is about as honest as one can get :)
 
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Again, no dishonesty my part. Sharing God's Word is about as honest as one can get :)
Hypocrite! First take out the log from your eye, and then you will see-clearly to take out the speck from the eye of your brother.
 
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Hypocrite! First take out the log from your eye, and then you will see-clearly to take out the speck from the eye of your brother.
Indeed, good advice we can all learn from JESUS. Thanks for sharing :)
 
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I understand why you believe this. You must understand some of your statements there are no scriptures for.
Such as what? Let's be specific and address the truth of God's Word as we do not want to find ourselves making statements that are not biblical.
Were talking about the Law here and Sabbath was not talked about for what 2500y? And then first in Ex 16 then they were told in Ex 30 Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
Arr.. nope. JESUS says that he made the Sabbath for mankind *Mark 2:27. The Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week *Genesis 2:1-3 not at Mount Sinai. Exodus 16 only demonstrates that God's people knew about the Sabbath before the ten commandments were spoken *Exodus 20:1-17 and written with the finger of God on tables of stone *Exodus 32:16.
So OT you must keep it and keep it holy.. if you just gathers sticks .. stoned/killed. But today? Must keep it or else? WOOT nothing happens. Awesome huh. Seems the Jewish leaders over the years found a way round this. Seems some of the earliest writings about the Church is they did meet on Sunday but never called it the Sabbath. Odd you would think this would be shared. Others say it was pagan.. not sure why your only sharing showing one side. There are many here. And this is a rabbit hole. There are so many BOOKS on this.
Not really. Your mixing up the civil laws of the old covenant with God's eternal law that gives us a knowledge of what sin is in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Under the civil laws of ISRAEL if someone was found publicly breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments they were put to death. The same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught breaking most of the 10 commandment. For example, 1st . Commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Exodus 20:3; Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20); 2nd Commandment, Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15); 3rd Commandment, Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Exodus 20:7; Leviticus 24:16); 4th yep; 5th commandment and cursing there Mother and farther (Exodus 20:12; Exodus 21:15-17); 6th commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20: 13; Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33); 7th commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14; Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5), 8th commandment stealing /kidnapping (Exodus 21:6), 9th commandment thou shalt not lie or bearing false witness (Deuteronomy 19:15-19) and 10th commandment thou shalt not covet (Joshua 7:21-25. Knowingly breaking anyone of God's ten commandments and continuing in it has the same penalty it always has and that is the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-31.
I don't let man tell me what days holidays, Sabbaths to keep. I am not under the law. Christ came and rose AMEN! The law from everything I know did one thing.. showed me I am not righteous and I need a savoir. Some groups believe different.. praise God
According to the scriptures, no one is "Under the law" if they have received God's forgiveness and have repented and turned away from their sins. We are only "Under the law" according to Romans 3:19-20 if we stand before God guilty of knowingly breaking God's Law. According to God's Word the purpose of God's 10 commandments in the new covenant is to give is the knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and if we knowingly break anyone of them according to James we stand guilty before God of sin. Those who knowingly practice sin do not enter into God's kingdom because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31. So in summary, we are not "under the law" by breaking the law! If we break God's law we stand guilty before God of sin *Romans 3:19. Sin will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of God's kingdom *Hebrews 10:26-31.

Let's talk scripture and deal with the detail. It seems God's Word disagrees with you.
 
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Jesus naming Peter Kephas and telling him specifically that he would lead the Church does that. And just because you disagree doesn't make it not so. It's there in the Bible.
See, here's the problem. You don't accept what the Bible says, in its totality, in its original meaning and intent. So the problem is really not with Scripture at all. It's with the interpretation.
You nailed it here.
It's with the interpretation.
That is the primary problem with what the SDA church teaches. The do not read the scripture in the embedded context and they selectively pick and choose verses. To support just one commandment above everything else. Hard to believe that people could concentrate on just one commandment in the law, but that is what they do.

That is why they call themselves the 'Seventh Day Adventists'.

Truly remarkable.
 
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You nailed it here.That is the primary problem with what the SDA church teaches. The do not read the scripture in the embedded context and they selectively pick and choose verses. To support just one commandment above everything else. Hard to believe that people could concentrate on just one commandment in the law, but that is what they do. That is why they call themselves the 'Seventh Day Adventists'. truly remarkable.

Indeed until we start talking scripture then all the darkness disappears. ;)
 
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