MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

Douggg said:

I understand that point, but it doesn't mean that she herself is Babylon the Great.


The mark in Revelation 13 is said to be the mark of his name in Revelation 14:11.

Revelaton 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

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The number 666 and the mark point to the beast's name. Or another way to put it, rely on his name.

One possibility for the mark is the all seeing eye of so-n-so (whatever his name is). Normally the all seeing eye is attributed to God, as being his providence - i.e. protection.

However, since the beast will be claiming to be God, the mark, if it were the all seeing eye of so-n-so would imply the protection of so-n-so.

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Not sure how what you have written here addresses anything from the scriptures in the last two posts and the earlier ones. Did you read the posts provided above and the scriptures in them?

Douggg said:

Yes, I read your rationale. But you did not take into account the mark is not just a mark - but the mark of his (the beast's) name. I am thinking there is a good possibility the mark is the all seeing eye - which is commonly inferred to be the all seeing eye of God. And since the beast claims to be God - then the all seeing eye carries that connotation.

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For me I do not believe that is correct. The "mark of the beast" is not the beasts name. The number of the man only identifies the Beasts name it is not a mark but the identification of the beast power we are warned not to follow or worship. The mark of the beast is something that comes from the Beast that those who follow the beast receive in their hand (do) or forehead (believe) is context to worship according to the scriptures Doug. *see Revelation 13:4; Revelation 13:8: Revelation 13:15; Revelation 14:7; Revelation 14:9; Revelation 14:11.

Douggg said:

I was not saying that the mark is the beast's name. I was pointing out it is the mark of his name in Revelation 14:11.

An example of the mark of someone's name would be the mark of Zeus - would be a lightning bolt. The mark of Hitler would be a swastika.

The mark of the beast's name (if we knew his name), I am suggesting will be the all seeing eye. If the beast's name turned out to be Adonikam, let's say, then the mark of Adonikam, I am suggesting will be the all seeing eye.

(Adonikam because the number of his group coming out of Babylonian captivity was 666 of them. )

I agree that the 666 number of the beast's name is not the mark of the beast's name.

The 3 possible physical imprintations that a person must take (one of the three) in order to buy and sell in the economic system setup by the false prophet will be... (which by it's nature a person submits allegiance and worship of the beast)... will be...

1. The number of the beast's name - 666
2. The mark of the beast's name - something like the all seeing eye.
3. The name of the beast - something like Adonikam

All three are associated with the beast's name.

You list Revelation 14:11 but you are not applying what it says to your interpretation (Ellen G. White's actually) to what the mark is.

It will be a physical imprintation on the right hand or forehead. It will, I agree, be an indication of the beast's power - specifically his claim of being God, overseeing humanity, and his claim of having overcome death.

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LoveGodsWord, I did not see in your posts, what you think the beast person's name is. What is the name of the beast person?

I don't know myself at this point.

The beast person's kingdom (and that of the ten kings, leaders, that will rule with him) will be the EU. The end times version of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7.

Satan's kingdom, differently, is mystery, Babylon the Great. It is not a kingdom having geographic boundaries.

The harlot, the harlot, is the Vatican, that will be burnt to the ground by the ten kings - in reign of the beast person.

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For me I believe the Mark of his name is already known and clearly pointed out in this OP as shown through the scriptures. I believe that Babylon the great is the name of the Great harlot as shown in the scriptures of Revelation 17:5 And on her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. A beast in bible prophecy represents a kingdom and a horn a ruler of the kingdom as already shown through the scriptures. The beast persons (mans) name has already been highlighted and shown earlier throughout this thread but can touch on it again here since you asked.

We should keep in mind that the # 666 relationship written in Revelation 13:18 is to the NUMBER OF HIS NAME fits in both Greek, Latin, and Hebrew. Even this however which fits 100% perfectly is only one relatively small, yet important indicator that the Papacy is the Antichrist and the beast from the sea of Revelation 13. This association by itself proves little, as 666 can fit other people using the same methods. All the other biblical characteristics of the Antichrist must be considered and met as well, then this association becomes significant which it does.

Looking at the scriptures we read...

REVELATION 13:17-18 [17], And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the NAME OF THE BEAST, or THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME.[18], Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding COUNT the NUMBER of the BEAST: for it is the NUMBER OF A MAN; and his number is six hundred three score and six (666).

Ok so there is no mistake here. REVELATION 13:17-18 makes it very clear v17-18 says that it is the NUMBER OF THE BEASTS OR MANS NAME that we are to calculate 666 from.

REVELATION 13:18 shows that "Wisdom" is given to those who have "understanding" and the ability to count (calculate) the number of the beast or mans name by counting (calculating) the total number of the man to 666.

Now dear friend I believe that God who has given "understanding" to us in the use of Roman numerals which was used by the Romans, and by the Greeks and by the early Church in Latin and also is continued to be taught in all our schools to this very present day. Have you ever wondered what use there is to learning Roman numerals at school? Yet we are taught it still today. I have a 10 year old being taught it today. Where are you going to use that in real life? - Yep REVELATION 13:17-18. God is giving understanding.

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The numeric equivalents of Greek letters can also be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World"

The ancient Greek word for "the Latin speaking man" is LATEINOS

L = 30 lambda
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
E = 5 epsilon
I = 10 iota
N = 50 nu
O = 70 omicron
S = 200 sigma
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NOTE: Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church. Church Documents are usually published first in Latin, and then translated from the Latin into other languages. The association of "Lateinos" with 666 was first suggested by Irenæus (ca. 130-202 A.D.) who proposed in his Against Heresies that it might be the name of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:7.

Then also Lateinos has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the Latins are they who at present bear rule: I will not, however, make any boast over this [coincidence].

Source: Against Heresies, by Irenæus, Book 5, chapter 30, paragraph 3.
St. Irenaeus biography online at the New Advent Catholic web site.

The ancient Greek for "The Latin Kingdom" is HE LATINE BASILEIA BASILEIA is Strong's # G932 The ancient Greek for

H = 0 (transliterated)
E = 8 eta

L = 30 lambda
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
I = 10 iota
N = 50 nu
E = 8 eta

B = 2 beta
A = 1 alpha
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
L = 30 lambda
E = 5 epsilon
I = 10 iota
A = 1 alpha
666

"Italian Church" is ITALIKA EKKLESIA EKKLESIA is Strong's # G1577

I = 10 iota
T = 300 tau
A = 1 alpha
L = 30 lambda
I = 10 iota
K = 20 kappa
A = 1 alpha

E = 5 epsilon
K = 20 kappa
K = 20 kappa
L = 30 lambda
E = 8 eta
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
A = 1 alpha
666

And in ancient Greek the word APOSTATES And in ancient Greek
the word for "tradition"

A = 1 alpha
P = 80 pi
O = 70 omicron
ST = 6 stigma*
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
E = 8 eta
S = 200 sigma
666
* Stigma is a now obsolete Greek character, but it appears in the New Testament in Rev 13:18 to give the value 666 (chi xi stigma - See Strong's Concordance, # G5516).

And in ancient Greek the word for "tradition" PARADOSIS Strong's # G3862
PARADOSIS Strong's # G3862

P = 80 pi
A = 1 alpha
R = 100 rho
A = 1 alpha
D = 4 delta
O = 70 omicron
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
S = 200 sigma

666

VICARIUS FILII DEI
THE LITERAL MEANING: VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of FILII - means son DEI - means GOD

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = no value
R = no value
I = 1
U/V = 5
S = no value

F = no value
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1

D = 500
E = no value
I = 1

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112 + 53 + 501 = 666

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DUX CLERI
translated means Captain of the Clergy LUDOVICUS translated means Vicar of the Court

D = 500
U = 5
X = 10

C = 100
L = 50
E = no value
R = no value
I = 1
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666

L = 50
U = 5
D = 500
O = no value
V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
U = 5
S = no value
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666

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The numeric equivalents of Hebrew letters can be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 50.

ROMIITH
means the Roman Kingdom

R = 200 resh
O = 6 waw (vav)
M = 40 mem
I = 10 yod
I = 10 yod
TH = 400 taw
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ROMITI
means the Roman Man

R = 200 resh
O = 6 waw (vav)
M = 40 mem
I = 10 yod
T = 400 taw
I = 10 yod
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Note:

• Lateinos, Ecclesia Italika, and Romith are cited as possible solutions by Johannes Gerhard (1582-1637), a Lutheran, in his Adnotationes in Apocalypsin, page 110.
• Romith, Vicarius Filii Dei, Dux Cleri, Ordinarius Ovilis Christi Pastor, and Dic Lux are cited by the rector of Berlin, Andreas Helwig [or Helwich] (1572-1643) in his Antichristus Romanus, in proprio suo nomine, numerum illum Apocalypticum (DCLXVI) continente proditus, published in 1612 in Wittenberg.
• Dux Cleri is cited by Walter Brute (or Britte), a fourteenth century follower of Wycliff, in his Registrum, page 356.
• Ludovicus was proposed by James Bicheno (d. 1831), a British minister and author, applying it at the time to the French King Louis XIV, as the two-horned beast from the earth.
• He Latine Basileia and Lateinos are cited by Alexander Campbell (1788-1866), founder of the Disciples of Christ, in A Debate on the Roman Catholic Religion of 1837

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As you can see Doug, I believe God has given "understanding" to those who learn Roman numerals from our school days. Calculating the man and beasts name works out 100 % perfectly pointing the number of the Beast and man to the Roman Catholic Church. This however is one of many fulfilled signs in the scripture that you disagree with without reason and without response.

God bless

WHO IS THE ANTICHRIST, THE BEAST AND THE MAN OF SIN with the NUMBER 666?

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

The GREEK word used here is ἀντίχριστος antichristos which means an opponent or against the Messiah: - antichrist.

JESUS is the living WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. So anything or anyone that is against or opposes the Word of GOD is antichrist because JESUS is the Word of God.

1 JOHN 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.

2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-12
[1], Now we beseech you, brothers, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together to him,
[2], That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3], Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4], Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
[5], Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6], And now you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time.
[7], For the mystery of iniquity does already work: only he who now let’s will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8], And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9], Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10], And with all delusion of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11], And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12], That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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REVELATION 13:18 [18], Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.

The Antichirst is simply anything that is anti or against Christ. Jesus is the LIVING WORD of GOD. So anything that is against or opposes the WORD of GOD is ANTICHRIST. JOHN says that even in his time there were many ANTICHRIST (against or in opposition to God’s WORD) which is a sign of the last times *1 JOHN 2:18.

JOHN was referring to the Words of JESUS that in the last days there would be many false teachers, false prophets and false Christ going out to deceive many *MATTHEW 24:24; MARK 13:22; 2 PETER 2:1

The BEASTS of REVELATION 13 are also ANTICHRIST in the book of REVELATION because they deceive the people of the world into worshipping an IMAGE of the first BEAST. This results in all those who are deceived into worship the BEASTS IMAGE receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST.

REVELATION 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that worked miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

All the world will follow after the BEAST and many will be deceived into receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST.

The ANTICHRIST is against God's WORD and will decieve many. 2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-12 says there will be a shaking v2 and a warning is given, not to let any man deceive us and that many will fall away from the truth of God's WORD v3 and that the man of sin will be revealed v3-4 but many will receive and believe strong delusions because they would not receive the love of the truth because they had pleasure in unrighteousness (SIN) v10-12.

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WHO THAN IS THE ANTICHRIST AND THE MAN OF SIN TO BE REVEALED?

REVELATION 13:18 [18], Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.

2 THESSALONIANS 2:3-4 [3], Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4], Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

NOTE: Let him that has understanding or wisdom count the number of the BEAST; IT IS THE NUMBER OF A MAN AND HIS NUMBER IS 666. This number, which is the number of a MAN represents the number that identifies the first BEAST of REVELATION 13.

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The NUMBER of the BEAST (first beast) is the NUMBER of a MAN and his number is 666 *REVELATION 13:18

Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church which uses the Latin Vulgate Bible. Roman numerals are used to calculate the Beast's number which is the number of a man that equals 666.

* If you wish to know what each letter represents in ROMAN NUMERALS Click here in wiki.

The NUMBER of the BEAST (first beast) is the NUMBER of a MAN and his number is 666

A few of many titles of the Pope who is the head of the Catholic Church...

*LATEINOS = 666 (Latin speaking man)
*VICARIUS FILII DEI = 112+53+501 = 666 (Popes titles in place of the Son of God)
*Dux Cleri = 515+151 = 666 (Popes titles in Latin which means Captain of the Clergy)
*LUDOVICUS = 666 (Popes titles in Latin Vicar of the court)
*HE LATINE BASILEIA = 666 (Latin kingdom)
*ITALIKA EKKLESIA = 666 (Italian Church)

*FOR A DETIALED BREAK DOWN OF 666 AND MANY MORE TITLES CLICK THE SOURCE HERE*

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REVELATION 13:18 [18], Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.

The number 666 is the represents the NUMBER of the BEAST and it is the NUMBER of a MAN. The POPE'S OFFICE is the HEAD of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, Therefore the ANTICHRIST and the FIRST BEAST, BABYLON THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS are all pointing to the ROMANS CATHOLIC CHURCH

As shown earlier it is NOT our brothers and sisters in this system that are the problem God has many of his true people in ALL Churches and is calling them out to worship him in Spirit and in truth, according to his Word. The ANTICHRIST is anything that is opposed to or against God's WORD. God's people are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and keep all his commandments by faith. *REVELATIONS 12:17; 14:12; 22:14. Those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD will receive the MARK OF THE BEAST.

God's sheep however, wherever they may be will hear his Voice (the Word of God)

God bless...

Douggg said:

An antichrist is someone who denies that Jesus is the Lord of Heaven come in the flesh of a man.

The Antichrist is a specific person.

Does it say in 1John2:18 that the beast shall come? No.

The beast in Revelation is the specific person after his stint of being the Antichrist is over.

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"Anti" means against; "Christ" is JESUS the Messiah. Antichrist in the Greek means against or opposed to. So Antichrist means against or opposed to JESUS Christ who is the living Word of God. So Anything that is opposed to or against JESUS the living Word of God is "Antichrist". Most of the reformers of the reformation believed this to be the Roman Catholic Church system (not the people in the church). Will post some more references latter.

God bless

Douggg said:

Take a look at this....

Mark 15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

... the pope, papacy is not qualified to be the (Anti-) Christ the King of Israel.

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Sorry I do not see your point here Doug. As posted earlier anything that is against Christ or opposed to Christ according to the scriptures is "Antichrist". That makes the pope and the RCC well qualified and supported with the rest of the scriptures provided all through this thread and the scriptures and prophecies in both books of Daniel and Revelation already provided. BTW you do know that nearly all the early reformers of the reformation taught that the Roman Catholic Church (not the people) is the Antichrist right?

Douggg said:

Yes, I am aware of that. There has been a lot of misunderstanding about the Antichrist.

My point I was trying to show you is this... "Christ the King of Israel".

The concept of the the Christ, the messiah, in biblical background is that he is to be the great King of Israel, descended from David, to sit on David's Throne.

That's what the Jews are looking for today, and back in the days when Jesus lived among them. King of Israel.

The pope is not qualified to be the King of Israel because he is not a Jew and not the right religion.

The other big time issue is that the beast in Revelation is after the person has been the King of Israel (the Anti-Christ) for about 3 years. The person as the beast is no longer the Antichrist.

The nearest comparison I can think of is like saying some who becomes President, who was a former Senator, is no longer Senator - but President.

When the person becomes the beast, he is no longer the Antichrist. Those are two completely different roles and functions.

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Thanks for sharing your view Doug. Sorry but I do not see that in the scriptures to be honest for the reasons outlined in the my last post. The bible does not say anywhere that the antichrist needs to be the king of ISRAEL. The antichrist is simply anything that is anti, against or opposed to JESUS and his Word.

Douggg said:

I appreciate the friendly nature to our disagreement.

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Yes me to Douggg, it is an interesting topic of conversation and well worth the time for discussion. I might post some more content on what the reformers thought at a latter date just for interest sake.

God bless

parousia70 said:

Care to link those scriptures that teach this? Since it is "according to the scriptures"? Which Scriptures is it "according to" exactly?

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Hi parousia70, nice to see you again. Sorry I did not completely understand your post here. Did you wish to explain it a little more. What were you specifically after?