Holy Ghost Hokie Pokie

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Yes beyond the Hokie Pokie much of the other stuff after that part was much the same as any praise and worship service I've been to from place like the Vineyard, various Charismatic meetings etc.


There are some issues though

1) Can bad taste be a sin? I say that both jokingly and seriously.... In my estimation it can be. People forget the unhappy incidents of things going awry
in the Old Testament when it comes to decorum etc. We may be friends of God but we still have things Ananias and Saphira and saint Paul mentioning people falling ill unto death from taking the Communion because of not "recognizing the Body", and his general admissions of the need for decency and order in the Church.

2) Do the churches that foster this sort of thing foster awe and reverence? In my experiences they largely do not. I spent a couple years at a Vineyard that had a similar kind of atmosphere. They used I think the Willow Creek model, where the Church was made to feel as much as possible to be like one giant living room so your unchurched folks would feel comfortable as far "Seeker Sensitive" ideas go. But in that relaxed atmosphere it was common for people to treat the service with equal or less consideration as you would going to a movie. I'm talking about things like chatting with a friend next to you in the middle of the sermon etc. and other kinds of things like that.


The Fear of the Lord is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
(Isaiah 11:2)

What I hear you describing is a lack of the fear of the Lord in some churches.
And it concerns me, too.

It concerns me when I see compromise and lukewarmness in the church ...
when I can see it at times in my own life, too ...

What is needed is revival ...
:prayer:

(*Revival ... repentance and return to God)

 
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Hello,

Just wondered if you had encoutered the Holy Ghost Hokie Pokie and your feelings on it. God Bless :)



It looks ridiculous to me. It's demeaning to the Holy Spirit. Getting "into the spirit" isn't a child's game or nursery song. Nope. No, thanks.
 
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It looks ridiculous to me. It's demeaning to the Holy Spirit. Getting "into the spirit" isn't a child's game or nursery song. Nope. No, thanks.
Im not too sure about that......I've found that God has a sense of humor. Have you never had an experience with the spirit that made you laugh or smile?
 
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Im not too sure about that......I've found that God has a sense of humor. Have you never had an experience with the spirit that made you laugh or smile?

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying Christians can't have fun, or that children can't participate in worship. Only that this particular example looks absurd and irreverent to me.
 
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Im not too sure about that......I've found that God has a sense of humor. Have you never had an experience with the spirit that made you laugh or smile?

The video clip did show a lot of people apparently having fun and several claiming they had been healed. A merry heart is good medicine (Proverbs 17:22).

But I'm not sure.

And they missed out the chorus on the Hokie Pokie.
 
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I share your skepticism ... I have concern ... over some of the manifestations that we see occurring within Christianity, especially in the more charismatic circles. I personally received no 'education' after initially being filled with the Spirit, and so I was very 'open' to supernatural things at that time ... and thought that all supernatural things were of God. That was a mistake. A painful mistake. And I got hurt.
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Hello Dove. Yes I agree, I don't think all seeming manifestations are from God, we should be careful and test everything. I am sometimes worried that the main test for authenticity now seems to be popularity. And it seems all sorts of weird teachings and doctrines are allowed if there are some sort of manifestations, accepting anything as long as the name 'Jesus' is tagged onto the end and people are excited. 'Unity' with anyone and everyone regardless of truth.

We're in the last days and the bible warns of deception in the last days, but also that the Holy Spirit would be poured out. 'Test everything' God Bless :)
 
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Hello Dove. Yes I agree, I don't think all seeming manifestations are from God, we should be careful and test everything. I am sometimes worried that the main test for authenticity now seems to be popularity. And it seems all sorts of weird teachings and doctrines are allowed if there are some sort of manifestations, accepting anything as long as the name 'Jesus' is tagged onto the end and people are excited. 'Unity' with anyone and everyone regardless of truth.

We're in the last days and the bible warns of deception in the last days, but also that the Holy Spirit would be poured out. 'Test everything' God Bless :)

I use to hear 'test everything' ... it is a phrase we sometimes hear said often in some Christian circles ... and I thought I was doing so ... and yet, I still managed to get into spiritual trouble. (With time in healing, I came to see that I did not understand 'testing' as well as I thought!)

So, I'm wondering, lismore ... (if you think it right for this thread?) ... if you would consider sharing some of your thoughts on just how one might go about 'testing' things?

(I don't want to take the thread off topic, but it might be a helpful discussion at this point?)
 
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So, I'm wondering, lismore ... (if you think it right for this thread?) ... if you would consider sharing some of your thoughts on just how one might go about 'testing' things?

(I don't want to take the thread off topic, but it might be a helpful discussion at this point?)

Hello mourningdove. Sounds like an idea. I would be very interested in hearing everyone's opinions on this too!

A couple of thoughts.

Does the ministry glorify God, or does it stray into self promotion.

Is the gospel of Jesus at the centre or does the speaker talk more about themselves. Does the speaker take a bible passage in it's context or is he just using one partial verse out of context to support what he believes.

Is what they are saying actually true. 2 Corinthians 11:4 talks about people promoting a false gospel and a false Jesus and operating in a different spirit. If the gospel is way off then it's easier to spot, like Mormonism, but what if it's a subtle deception.

Is the gospel given freely and for free or is there a charge for 'new revelation'

God Bless :)
 
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The whole Todd Bentley fiascos also pointed to a lack of discernment etc. of Joyner and other folks.

A Year Later, the Lakeland Outpouring Still Stirs Emotions

How old is this? Why would you post it? Oh I am NO fan of Bentley. This was written 2009..11 years ago. If this was 2009.. yet even then.. I know them but don't know you. They are not here to defend themselves

The video.. seems like that Church is just having fun. I might have given it a different name lol. But.. praise God
 
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How old is this? Why would you post it? Oh I am NO fan of Bentley. This was written 2009..11 years ago. If this was 2009.. yet even then.. I know them but don't know you. They are not here to defend themselves

The video.. seems like that Church is just having fun. I might have given it a different name lol. But.. praise God

I removed the post because I think it conflict with the boards TOS.

I posted it because I think the entire Bentley story is a text book case of bad decision making, theology etc. And how old the story is not really relevant to that. But I won't elaborate anymore since one aspect of the board TOS as i reread a few days back is no criticism of leaders, and I got lots of that for Joyner going back to the early 90s but will save that for some other place, and other time. But I will say I don't think Joyner is a bad person, but going back to sermons of the 90s (That I use to own on tape) I think, actually I know in many ways he does not know what he is talking about on many issues... But if you seem nice, humble, sincere etc. that can take you a long way if your in this general movement. :)


Take Care and may the Lord Bless you and keep you.
 
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Michel said to David: “How glorious was the king of Israel today, shamelessly uncovers himself!”

Here is David Dancing before the Lord, loosing clothing. Was Michel blessed by her confronting David?

If not, why not?
 
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I removed the post because I think it conflict with the boards TOS.

I posted it because I think the entire Bentley story is a text book case of bad decision making, theology etc. And how old the story is not really relevant to that. But I won't elaborate anymore since one aspect of the board TOS as i reread a few days back is no criticism of leaders, and I got lots of that for Joyner going back to the early 90s but will save that for some other place, and other time. But I will say I don't think Joyner is a bad person, but going back to sermons of the 90s (That I use to own on tape) I think, actually I know in many ways he does not know what he is talking about on many issues... But if you seem nice, humble, sincere etc. that can take you a long way if your in this general movement. :)


Take Care and may the Lord Bless you and keep you.

Hi.. just wanted to say....now I understand...lol I am sure its me. Nothing to(you said)elaborate on.. I am fully aware of all this and.. I agree with you. And Joyner .. never followed Bentley or Joyner.. I believe you know why :) Bless you
 
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Michel said to David: “How glorious was the king of Israel today, shamelessly uncovers himself!”

Here is David Dancing before the Lord, loosing clothing. Was Michel blessed by her confronting David?

If not, why not?

I have heard one Pentecostal Pastor saying that Michal was cursed by God because she was critical of David's dancing and that she had no children because of this. 'And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death'. (2 Samuel 6:23)

On the other hand there used to be a Pastor on this forum called Bill who shared a different view, saying the view above was a stretch. Their History, Michal had been a King's daughter and had been married to David, then taken away from David by her father Saul, when she returned David had already married at least two other women and had children by them.

Nathan also says to David: "I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms" (2 Samuel 12:8) i.e Saul's wives which would suggest that David could also be married to Michal's mother. As David had taken Saul's wives one of them could be Michal's mother. Certainly at least David could be married to the mothers of Michal's half-siblings.

Hence it would be possible to assume that perhaps Michal and David hated the sight of each other? A couple who hated each other might be less inclined to be romantic. Hence the no further children.

Some versions of the bible translate: 2 Samuel 21:8 "the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."

An interesting topic, I personally do not agree with the Pentecostal Pastor's view, I would go with Bill's. The standard Pentecostal view is a stretch given the text and there is an alternative.

God Bless :)
 
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I have heard one Pentecostal Pastor saying that Michal was cursed by God because she was critical of David's dancing and that she had no children because of this. 'And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death'. (2 Samuel 6:23)

On the other hand there used to be a Pastor on this forum called Bill who shared a different view, saying the view above was a stretch. Their History, Michal had been a King's daughter and had been married to David, then taken away from David by her father Saul, when she returned David had already married at least two other women and had children by them.

Nathan also says to David: "I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms" (2 Samuel 12:8) i.e Saul's wives which would suggest that David could also be married to Michal's mother. As David had taken Saul's wives one of them could be Michal's mother. Certainly at least David could be married to the mothers of Michal's half-siblings.

Hence it would be possible to assume that perhaps Michal and David hated the sight of each other? A couple who hated each other might be less inclined to be romantic. Hence the no further children.

Some versions of the bible translate: 2 Samuel 21:8 "the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."

An interesting topic, I personally do not agree with the Pentecostal Pastor's view, I would go with Bill's. The standard Pentecostal view is a stretch given the text and there is an alternative.

God Bless :)

The question was: Was she blessed by openly confronting David?
 
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My answer would be that as their relationship was already toxic confronting David didn't put her up or down.

You are most certainly entitled to your beliefs - we disagree.
 
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Please share what you beliefs are. God Bless :)

Already shown, her openly opposing and judging David did not result in God’s approval, nor was she blessed. Her being barren for life came as a consequence. There was no other reason shown in scripture and I can’t, no, won’t add to what is written.
 
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