SO MANY CHURCH'S - WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH (Scripture)?

God can prove the truth to anyone, anywhere, any time and under any circumstances about churches. And He can use any means that He chooses to do so.

He proved the truth to Jonah. He proved the truth to Noah and his family,
He has proved the truth to many who have been locked up in jail.
He has proven the truth to those who were blind, or unable to walk.
So yes, God can and has proven His truth.

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi everyone,

Just some questions for friendly discussion (answers to be based on the scriptures please). According to some consensus' there have been recorded between 40,000 to 50,000 different Christian Church denominations believe it or not. Now I do not know how accurate these numbers are but let's say for arguments sake even if there was only 5 different Christian Church's all professing to be the chosen of God, how are you going to know who has God's truth and who truly is God's Church? I think this will be an interesting topic as JESUS warns us in the last days that many will come in his name and there will be many false prophets (messengers) and false Christs (Head's of the body which is the church).

QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION (scripture please).

Q1. How do the scriptures define Church?
Q2. With so many Christian Church's in the world all professing Christ how can we know who is God's true Church?
Q3. How does the bible define as God's people?
Q4. Who is God's ISRAEL in the new covenant?
Q4. Who is Gods Church according to the scriptures in the New covenant?

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My view which I will show latter through the scriptures is that God's people make up his Church, and they are defined in the scriptures as all those who are living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them and are knowingly believing and following his Word. This means God's people are in every Church but not every Church is God's - There is a calling out coming according to REVELATION 18:1-5 because the Church's professing Christianity have fallen away from God and his Word.

This of course should be obvious to everyone as there is not only scriptures foretelling this but from the very fact that there are 40,000 or 50,000 different denominations of Christianity recorded today all professing to be God's true Church. Not all of them can be right and God's true Church right?

I will look to provide scripture proof latter and link them to this OP showing why I believe this way. I believe that God is calling his people where ever they may be back and from what ever Church they may be in back to the pure Word of God, as God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is calling the true worshipers out from following man made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God.

Friendly discussion please. What are your thoughts?

God bless.

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Hi Love Gods Word:

Hope my rather succinct answers to your questions help.

Q1) Scriptures define the church as Gods people or the followers of Jesus. In the early days there were ony 2 "denominations" The Jewish wing and the gentile wing of Christians. But they all made up teh body of Christ.

Peter was the Apostle to teh Jews, Paul to teh Gentiles and James led the Jerusalem church! As Paul said in corinthians we are the body of Christ.

Q2) God does not recognize "sects" and "denominations" as shown here:

1 Corinthians 1:11-13
King James Version

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

The true church is comprised of all of those who have been born again and are followers of Jesus! There are many "good" churches and "bad" churches. Many denominations have devolved generally speaking into what Paul said:

2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Q3) for the New Testament- gods people are defined of all those both Jew and Gentile who belong to Jesus!

Q4) In the New Covenant Gods Israel is those Jews who have received Jesus as Messiah!

Paul showed this clearly in romans.

Rom. 9: 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Romans 11
King James Version

11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Galatians 6:16
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Paul is asking for peace to two groups- those who walk according to this rule and to the Israel of God!

So The Israel of God in the new covenant are those remnant that are faithful and accept Jesus as Messiah in every generation.

Q5) Gods church is the same definition as teh church it is comprised of all believing Jews and gentiles who form one body- the church.

Hope this helps.

BTW I believe you are way off in counting denominations. Most sources who deal with these things put the number of denominations around 13,000 which is still way too large!

dqhall said:

Peter became the leader of the church in Jerusalem after Jesus ascended. The Catholic Church may claim the Pope is like Peter, but proof is difficult to come by. The Holy Spirit guides believers in truth, even as church leaders were not always true.

The chief priests of the Sanhedrin had failed to guide Israel into God’s plan of salvation.

Matthew 21:42 (WEB) Jesus said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures,

‘The stone which the builders rejected
was made the head of the corner.
This was from the Lord.
It is marvelous in our eyes’? Psalm 118:22-23

43 “Therefore I tell you, God’s Kingdom will be taken away from you and will be given to a nation producing its fruit.

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No, it was James (The Lord’s brother). It’s in The Bible

I saw the thread title, and wondered if the OP was SDA.

I opened the thread, to see my guess confirmed.

My view: any church which claims to be the One True Church...isn't.

Lost4words said:

Peter means rock. Cephas means rock.

Peter the Rock

You will always disagree as the truth hurts what you believe my friend.

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Thanks for the link to the Catholic site; very helpful (not). Catholics claim that their interpretation of this part of Scripture is true but...

It says NOTHING about Peter being the first Pope.
Jesus calls Peter "Satan" shortly after these verses.

Matthew 16:22-23, "Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!” Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Peter denied Jesus out loud, three times to pagans while He was being tried.
James is considered in the Bible to be the head of the early church.


Because you disagree with the above doesn't make it untrue; the Bible clearly says what it says. If the Pope or whomever goes beyond what the Bible clearly says, that doesn't invalidate the truth.

It's a valid point, albeit one that is usually ignored.

IF Peter were named to the position that we later called "Pope," (and that's a big IF), it proves nothing at all about there being such a role in the ongoing Christian church. All it would mean is that Peter was chosen to be the main leader, evangelist, etc. among the Apostles.

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi everyone,

Just some questions for friendly discussion (answers to be based on the scriptures please). According to some consensus' there have been recorded between 40,000 to 50,000 different Christian Church denominations believe it or not. Now I do not know how accurate these numbers are but let's say for arguments sake even if there was only 5 different Christian Church's all professing to be the chosen of God, how are you going to know who has God's truth and who truly is God's Church? I think this will be an interesting topic as JESUS warns us in the last days that many will come in his name and there will be many false prophets (messengers) and false Christs (Head's of the body which is the church).

QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION (scripture please).

Q1. How do the scriptures define Church?
Q2. With so many Christian Church's in the world all professing Christ how can we know who is God's true Church?
Q3. How does the bible define as God's people?
Q4. Who is God's ISRAEL in the new covenant?
Q4. Who is Gods Church according to the scriptures in the New covenant?

...............

My view which I will show latter through the scriptures is that God's people make up his Church, and they are defined in the scriptures as all those who are living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them and are knowingly believing and following his Word. This means God's people are in every Church but not every Church is God's - There is a calling out coming according to REVELATION 18:1-5 because the Church's professing Christianity have fallen away from God and his Word.

This of course should be obvious to everyone as there is not only scriptures foretelling this but from the very fact that there are 40,000 or 50,000 different denominations of Christianity recorded today all professing to be God's true Church. Not all of them can be right and God's true Church right?

I will look to provide scripture proof latter and link them to this OP showing why I believe this way. I believe that God is calling his people where ever they may be back and from what ever Church they may be in back to the pure Word of God, as God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is calling the true worshipers out from following man made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God.

Friendly discussion please. What are your thoughts?

God bless.

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Acts 20:28
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

The true church are those in Jesus ... Jesus is the head of the church.

Those in Jesus transcend/exceed any earthly organized "church".

The sheep are scattered.

John 10

14I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, 15just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep.

16 I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Jesus is the true Israel of God.

When we read of God’s promises of restoration that He gave Israel through the Old Testament prophets, we must do so through the lens of the person and work of Christ. All of the judgment prophesied about the nation prepares us for the judgment that fell on Christ—the true Israel—for our sin. In His resurrection, Jesus secures the restoration that was promised so long before. When the Apostles appeal to Joel 2:28–32 in Acts 2:16–21 and Amos 9:11–12 in Acts 15:16–17, this is what they have in view. The fulfillment of those restoration promises occurs first in the risen or restored Son of Abraham, who will consummate them in a new heaven and earth.

All covenants are fulfilled in/through/by Jesus.

Colossians 1

The Supremacy of the Son
(Hebrews 1:1–14)

15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. 19For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him,

20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

21 Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds because of your evil deeds. 22But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence —

23if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Thank you Lord Jesus for all that you have done and all that you are doing. Glory and honor to you always. AMEN!

There are no doubt some true "born again" believers (note John 3; John 14; etc.) in many of the professing Christian sects, but if they do not bow to clear BIBLE-ONLY teachings ---"rightly dividing the Word of Truth", as God tells us, they will follow innovations and ways which sound nice to them. There are NO contradictions in a sound Holy Bible, so if one thinks there are, it is due to misapplying Scripture. A good reliable Bible Dictionary by a sound Bible-only source, will clarify meanings. Taking verses out of context and listening to various preachers is much of the problem for many readers. Let us be looking to God and not various doctrines!

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi everyone,

Just some questions for friendly discussion (answers to be based on the scriptures please). According to some consensus' there have been recorded between 40,000 to 50,000 different Christian Church denominations believe it or not. Now I do not know how accurate these numbers are but let's say for arguments sake even if there was only 5 different Christian Church's all professing to be the chosen of God, how are you going to know who has God's truth and who truly is God's Church? I think this will be an interesting topic as JESUS warns us in the last days that many will come in his name and there will be many false prophets (messengers) and false Christs (Head's of the body which is the church).

QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION (scripture please).

Q1. How do the scriptures define Church?
Q2. With so many Christian Church's in the world all professing Christ how can we know who is God's true Church?
Q3. How does the bible define as God's people?
Q4. Who is God's ISRAEL in the new covenant?
Q4. Who is Gods Church according to the scriptures in the New covenant?

...............

My view which I will show latter through the scriptures is that God's people make up his Church, and they are defined in the scriptures as all those who are living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them and are knowingly believing and following his Word. This means God's people are in every Church but not every Church is God's - There is a calling out coming according to REVELATION 18:1-5 because the Church's professing Christianity have fallen away from God and his Word.

This of course should be obvious to everyone as there is not only scriptures foretelling this but from the very fact that there are 40,000 or 50,000 different denominations of Christianity recorded today all professing to be God's true Church. Not all of them can be right and God's true Church right?

I will look to provide scripture proof latter and link them to this OP showing why I believe this way. I believe that God is calling his people where ever they may be back and from what ever Church they may be in back to the pure Word of God, as God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is calling the true worshipers out from following man made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God.

Friendly discussion please. What are your thoughts?

God bless.

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It would be a terrible mistake to claim that only one expression of the church of Jesus Christ is the true church. Wherever the gospel is rightly preached and believed and the sacraments rightly celebrated, there is the church of Jesus Christ, no matter what form or affiliation it may take.

LoveGodsWord said:

Friendly discussion please. What are your thoughts?

God bless.

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My thoughts now are that God doesn't want division, to the extreme that we have it now. People will always draw a line in the sand somewhere stating how much unity and how much division is acceptable. Either way, regardless of how one wishes to define it, Christ only established one church, with "one Lord, one faith, one baptism". Eph 4:5

1watchman said:

There are no doubt some true "born again" believers (note John 3; John 14; etc.) in many of the professing Christian sects, but if they do not bow to clear BIBLE-ONLY teachings ---"rightly dividing the Word of Truth", as God tells us, they will follow innovations and ways which sound nice to them. There are NO contradictions in a sound Holy Bible, so if one thinks there are, it is due to misapplying Scripture. A good reliable Bible Dictionary by a sound Bible-only source, will clarify meanings. Taking verses out of context and listening to various preachers is much of the problem for many readers. Let us be looking to God and not various doctrines!

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There is an element of truth in this, but it's also unrealistic. There are, and have been throughout history, many professing Christian sects that believe the teachings of the Bible and -- this is important -- those teachings are not always clear and obvious; just the opposite.

There are definitely contradictions in the Bible if one is applying pure logic but that is not the way the Bible is written. There is a very good reason that Jesus spoke in parables: they are understood only by those whom God wants to understand them.

Matthew 11:25, "At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Matthew 11:27, "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

Luke 10:21-22, "At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do. All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”

John 12:38, "This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: “Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”

John 17:6, "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

Romans 8:19, "For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed."

Romans 10:20, "And Isaiah boldly says, “I was found by those who did not seek me; I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.”

1 Corinthians 2:3-10, "I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power. We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—

these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

1 Corinthians 4:1, "This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed."

Ephesians 3:4-6, " In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus."

1 Peter 1:12, "It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things."

Of course there are many other examples from the Bible that instruct us about God's truths but these should suffice that God reveals what He wants to reveal to those whom He has chosen to understand His truths. There is no cut-and-dried interpretation of God or His Word!

It makes people feel good about themselves to say that they have an understanding of God's Word that others lack, but 99% of the time it's just their ego.

ss51 said:

we have been led astray by Constasntine who created a "church" based on Roman Government model

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Constantine didn't create anything. The council he organised was based on the council held by the Apostles in Acts. The hundreds of bishops invited to the council existed long before the council was called and there is no evidence that Church governance was any different after the council to what it was before.

dqhall said:

Peter became the leader of the church in Jerusalem after Jesus ascended. The Catholic Church may claim the Pope is like Peter, but proof is difficult to come by. The Holy Spirit guides believers in truth, even as church leaders were not always true.

The chief priests of the Sanhedrin had failed to guide Israel into God’s plan of salvation.

Matthew 21:42 (WEB) Jesus said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures,

‘The stone which the builders rejected
was made the head of the corner.
This was from the Lord.
It is marvelous in our eyes’? Psalm 118:22-23

43 “Therefore I tell you, God’s Kingdom will be taken away from you and will be given to a nation producing its fruit.

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He became one of three leaders. James was actually head of the Church in Jerusalem...

Jesus Christ clearly demonstrated that He was God, by constantly doing things only God could do. He, God, founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Anyone who reads the Bible should know this. God Himself clearly stated where He intended us to find His truth. It is obvious that we cannot find truth in manmade churches that have defected from His Church, since there are over 6,000 of them, the teaching of each one contradicting the teaching of the others. Truth cannot contradict truth, so untruth is clearly rampant in this manmade tradition. Which is why the stated will of Jesus Christ concerning His followers was and still is "That they all may be one, even as I and My heavenly Father are one".

pescador said:

There is an element of truth in this, but it's also unrealistic. There are, and have been throughout history, many professing Christian sects that believe the teachings of the Bible and -- this is important -- those teachings are not always clear and obvious; just the opposite.

There are definitely contradictions in the Bible if one is applying pure logic but that is not the way the Bible is written. There is a very good reason that Jesus spoke in parables: they are understood only by those whom God wants to understand them.

Matthew 11:25, "At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Matthew 11:27, "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

Luke 10:21-22, "At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do. All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”

John 12:38, "This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: “Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”

John 17:6, "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

Romans 8:19, "For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed."

Romans 10:20, "And Isaiah boldly says, “I was found by those who did not seek me; I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.”

1 Corinthians 2:3-10, "I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power. We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—

these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

1 Corinthians 4:1, "This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed."

Ephesians 3:4-6, " In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus."

1 Peter 1:12, "It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things."

Of course there are many other examples from the Bible that instruct us about God's truths but these should suffice that God reveals what He wants to reveal to those whom He has chosen to understand His truths. There is no cut-and-dried interpretation of God or His Word!

It makes people feel good about themselves to say that they have an understanding of God's Word that others lack, but 99% of the time it's just their ego.

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I cannot agree "there are definitely contradictions in the Bible", as you say, brother It is ONLY the readings and preaching of various preachers that assume that. If one compares Scripture with Scripture and takes "all the counsel of God" as instructed, they will arrive at understanding. In proper sequence as OT and NT, and Gospel compared to Worship and Church Truth, one finds a full and complete testimony for man: "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" as God says.

In Revelation it speaks of the different churches. I believe that as we are all different, its not out of the question that God can use different denominations to provide different types of people with somewhere they can belong. I also try not to judge other peolpe and that includes differences in our beliefs, as long as they can show its biblical. By biblical I mean understandable when read in context and not needing any additional revelation, interpretation or explaining other than what is in the bible.

1watchman said:

I cannot agree "there are definitely contradictions in the Bible", as you say, brother It is ONLY the readings and preaching of various preachers that assume that. If one compares Scripture with Scripture and takes "all the counsel of God" as instructed, they will arrive at understanding. In proper sequence as OT and NT, and Gospel compared to Worship and Church Truth, one finds a full and complete testimony for man: "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" as God says.

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I wrote "There are definitely contradictions in the Bible if one is applying pure logic but that is not the way the Bible is written." Please don't quote me or anybody else by taking their words out of context.

I also wrote "It makes people feel good about themselves to say that they have an understanding of God's Word that others lack, but 99% of the time it's just their ego." Of course, you couldn't guess to whom this applies, could you?

PaulCyp1 said:

Jesus Christ clearly demonstrated that He was God, by constantly doing things only God could do. He, God, founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Anyone who reads the Bible should know this. God Himself clearly stated where He intended us to find His truth. It is obvious that we cannot find truth in manmade churches that have defected from His Church, since there are over 6,000 of them, the teaching of each one contradicting the teaching of the others. Truth cannot contradict truth, so untruth is clearly rampant in this manmade tradition. Which is why the stated will of Jesus Christ concerning His followers was and still is "That they all may be one, even as I and My heavenly Father are one".

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I think we already knew what the Roman Catholic Church's explanation for its view of itself amounts to.

pescador said:

I wrote "There are definitely contradictions in the Bible if one is applying pure logic but that is not the way the Bible is written." Please don't quote me or anybody else by taking their words out of context.

I also wrote "It makes people feel good about themselves to say that they have an understanding of God's Word that others lack, but 99% of the time it's just their ego." Of course, you couldn't guess to whom this applies, could you?

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Please don't assume and get upset, brother, and begin making unkind challenges. I was just saying what is true: that there are NO contradictions in the Bible, regardless whether one 'is applying logic' or not. The fact one chooses to misapply Scripture would not allow one to say there IS contradictions ---would you say? I believe most Bible teachers would agree with what I said.