Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

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Your avoiding the question because you know why I’m asking. Many of God’s commandments have been amended or abolished. Burnt offerings, circumcision, observing the Passover, writing the Torah, and the Saturday Sabbath. You go ahead and take Ellen White’s opinion on the matter over the entire Christian Church, but don’t expect me and every other Christian to place her beliefs over the beliefs of the churches established by the apostles because I can’t find Ellen Whites name listed anywhere in the scriptures as being an apostle of Christ. If anything she seems more of a Judaizer from what I see according to Paul’s teachings.
You are kind of contradicting yourself here. People of the Church are still "man" Ellen White is a "man" The Bible is the only scripture that matters. Ellen White was taking scripture from the Bible, you don't have to believe Ellen White, that's okay, but I'll take what the Bible teaches over what any church teaches if it is going against the teachings of the Bible. The Bible clearly gives a warning about changing anything.

A Warning
Revelations 22:18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
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Maybe you can provide scripture where God Blessed the first day of the week "Sunday" and Sanctified it, or asked the first day to be a day of "rest" or to worship or to remember it? I can't seem to locate it in my Bible.
I can't either Imge. The only admonition is found in Heb 10:5 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

We, because we have been given freedom to choose, use the day most of us are not toiling. Jesus ended the old covenant with its Sabbath requirements and gave us the covenant that gives all mankind the freedom to choose when we feel the need to corporately assemble. Just as He has given us the freedom to cut our sideburns. That was not the case with the children of Israel. I thank God for allowing me, through the power of the Holy Spirit, to choose rightly.

Now that I have answered your question I once again ask you to oblige and answer my question. Thank you in advance.
 
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You are kind of contradicting yourself here. People of the Church are still "man" Ellen White is a "man" The Bible is the only scripture that matters. Ellen White was taking scripture from the Bible, you don't have to believe Ellen White, that's okay, but I'll take what the Bible teaches over what any church teaches if it is going against the teachings of the Bible. The Bible clearly gives a warning about changing anything.
Are you able to find the following in the Bible:
Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above, are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator. Their robes must be spotless, their characters must be purified from sin by the blood of sprinkling. Through the grace of God and their own diligent effort, they must be conquerors in the battle with evil. While the investigative judgment is going forward in heaven, while the sins of penitent believers are being removed from the sanctuary, there is to be a special work of purification, of putting away of sin, among God’s people upon earth. This work is more clearly presented in the messages of Revelation 14. {LSMS 114.2} Ellen White

Plan of Salvation (after the fall of man)

Sorrow filled heaven, as it was realized that man was lost ... I saw the lovely Jesus and beheld an expression of sympathy and sorrow upon His countenance. Soon I saw Him approach the exceeding bright light which enshrouded His Father. Said my accompanying angel, He is in close converse with the Father.... Three times He was shut in by the glorious light about the Father, and the third time He came from the Father, His person could be seen.... He then made known to the angelic host that a way of escape had been made for lost man. He told them that He had been pleading with His Father, and had offered to give His life a ransom, to take the sentence of death upon Himself ... Jesus bade the heavenly host be reconciled to the plan that His Father had accepted... Early Writings, pp. 149-151.

The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty." -Ellen G. White (1903, ms 150, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129)"

It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

I do not write one article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision—the precious rays of light shining from the throne.” It is true concerning the articles in our papers and in the many volumes of my books. I have been instructed in accordance with the Word in the precepts of the law of God. I have been instructed in selecting from the lessons of Christ. Are not the positions taken in my writings in harmony with the teachings of Jesus Christ? {1SM 29.3}

I do know one thing about what isn't sin, I know and that is it is not a sin for not observing the 7th-day Sabbath. The covenant given to Israel which contained the Sabbath command was not, in any way, linked to the Israelites salvation Ex 19:5-6. God told Moses the law He was about to give Israel was to make them a Holy nation. It was a covenant of laws that were to be the governing rules while they sojourned in the desert and when they finally went into the Promised Land, Canaan. Israelites were saved just as Abraham, you and I are saved, by faith. By contrast, the new covenant is the covenant of salvation for all mankind. Israel’s Promised Land is defunct as is the covenant that governed the people.

A Warning
Revelations 22:18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Poor Ellen and those who believe and spread her writings.
 
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I can't either Imge. The only admonition is found in Heb 10:5 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

We, because we have been given freedom to choose, use the day most of us are not toiling. Jesus ended the old covenant with its Sabbath requirements and gave us the covenant that gives all mankind the freedom to choose when we feel the need to corporately assemble. Just as He has given us the freedom to cut our sideburns. That was not the case with the children of Israel. I thank God for allowing me, through the power of the Holy Spirit, to choose rightly.

Now that I have answered your question I once again ask you to oblige and answer my question. Thank you in advance.
I'm sorry Bob, that is not the case with seventh-day Sabbath. The Bible is filled with references to the seventh-day Sabbath in both Old and New Testaments. The Bible is pretty silent on the first day of the week though and no scripture asking us to "remember" or that its "blessed" or that it is sanctified or made Holy. God did not say we can choose a day to Remember Him, He very clearly wrote with His own finger the seventh-day. The purpose of the Bible is to find God, live like Jesus did and be saved for our sins so we can go to heaven and live without sin. I don't understand how anyone in good conscience could say the only scripture in the WHOLE Bible written by the hand of God was done away with because man said so.
 
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When and where does the Bible refer to the seventh day? All the verses are right here at your fingertips.


And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
- Genesis 2:2

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
- Genesis 2:3

Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
- Exodus 12:15

And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
- Exodus 12:16

Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the LORD.
- Exodus 13:6

Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
- Exodus 16:26

And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
- Exodus 16:27

See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
- Exodus 16:29

So the people rested on the seventh day.
- Exodus 16:30

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
- Exodus 20:10

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
- Exodus 20:11

Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
- Exodus 23:12

And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.
- Exodus 24:16

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
- Exodus 31:17

Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
- Exodus 34:21

Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
- Exodus 35:2

And the priest shall look on him the seventh day: and, behold, if the plague in his sight be at a stay, and the plague spread not in the skin; then the priest shall shut him up seven days more:
- Leviticus 13:5

And the priest shall look on him again the seventh day: and, behold, if the plague be somewhat dark, and the plague spread not in the skin, the priest shall pronounce him clean: it is but a scab: and he shall wash his clothes, and be clean.
- Leviticus 13:6

And the priest shall look upon him the seventh day: and if it be spread much abroad in the skin, then the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is the plague of leprosy.
- Leviticus 13:27

And in the seventh day the priest shall look on the plague: and, behold, if the scall spread not, and there be in it no yellow hair, and the scall be not in sight deeper than the skin;
- Leviticus 13:32

And in the seventh day the priest shall look on the scall: and, behold, if the scall be not spread in the skin, nor be in sight deeper than the skin; then the priest shall pronounce him clean: and he shall wash his clothes, and be clean.
- Leviticus 13:34

And he shall look on the plague on the seventh day: if the plague be spread in the garment, either in the warp, or in the woof, or in a skin, or in any work that is made of skin; the plague is a fretting leprosy; it is unclean.
- Leviticus 13:51

But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.
- Leviticus 14:9

And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
- Leviticus 14:39

Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
- Leviticus 23:3

But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
- Leviticus 23:8

And if any man die very suddenly by him, and he hath defiled the head of his consecration; then he shall shave his head in the day of his cleansing, on the seventh day shall he shave it.
- Numbers 6:9

On the seventh day Elishama the son of Ammihud, prince of the children of Ephraim, offered:
- Numbers 7:48

He shall purify himself with it on the third day, and on the seventh day he shall be clean: but if he purify not himself the third day, then the seventh day he shall not be clean.
- Numbers 19:12

And the clean person shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the third day, and on the seventh day: and on the seventh day he shall purify himself, and wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and shall be clean at even.
- Numbers 19:19

And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work.
- Numbers 28:25

And on the seventh day seven bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish:
- Numbers 29:32

And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.
- Numbers 31:19

And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.
- Numbers 31:24

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
- Deuteronomy 5:14

Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein.
- Deuteronomy 16:8

And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.
- Joshua 6:4

And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.
- Joshua 6:15

And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they said unto Samson's wife, Entice thy husband, that he may declare unto us the riddle, lest we burn thee and thy father's house with fire: have ye called us to take that we have? is it not so?
- Judges 14:15

And she wept before him the seven days, while their feast lasted: and it came to pass on the seventh day, that he told her, because she lay sore upon him: and she told the riddle to the children of her people.
- Judges 14:17

And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What is sweeter than honey? and what is stronger than a lion? And he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle.
- Judges 14:18

And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
- 2 Samuel 12:18

And they pitched one over against the other seven days. And so it was, that in the seventh day the battle was joined: and the children of Israel slew of the Syrians an hundred thousand footmen in one day.
- 1 Kings 20:29

And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month, which is the nineteenth year of king Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, unto Jerusalem:
- 2 Kings 25:8

On the seventh day, when the heart of the king was merry with wine, he commanded Mehuman, Biztha, Harbona, Bigtha, and Abagtha, Zethar, and Carcas, the seven chamberlains that served in the presence of Ahasuerus the king,
- Esther 1:10

And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first month, in the seventh day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
- Ezekiel 30:20

And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house.
- Ezekiel 45:20

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
- Hebrews 4:4
 
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Tried to copy paste the Sabbath reference and there was too many characters to post! Something repeated so many times, but yet we are supposed to worship on silent Bible scripture of the first day Sunday? That is a false, man-made teaching. Everyone can read and listen to the Bible and scriptures, its not too late right now. Our good Lord is coming soon- look around us. We will destroy each other is Jesus does not come back soon. Don't you want to worship the Sabbath day like Jesus did as an example and what God wrote with His own finger?

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Maybe you can provide scripture where God Blessed the first day of the week "Sunday" and Sanctified it, or asked the first day to be a day of "rest" or to worship or to remember it? I can't seem to locate it in my Bible.

Maybe you can find Ellen White being named an apostle of Jesus and commanded to establish His church. I can’t seem to locate that in my bible.
 
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When and where does the Bible refer to the seventh day? All the verses are right here at your fingertips.


And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
- Genesis 2:2

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
- Genesis 2:3

Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
- Exodus 12:15

And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
- Exodus 12:16

Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the LORD.
- Exodus 13:6

Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
- Exodus 16:26

And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
- Exodus 16:27

See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
- Exodus 16:29

So the people rested on the seventh day.
- Exodus 16:30

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
- Exodus 20:10

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
- Exodus 20:11

Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
- Exodus 23:12

And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.
- Exodus 24:16

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
- Exodus 31:17

Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
- Exodus 34:21

Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
- Exodus 35:2

And the priest shall look on him the seventh day: and, behold, if the plague in his sight be at a stay, and the plague spread not in the skin; then the priest shall shut him up seven days more:
- Leviticus 13:5

And the priest shall look on him again the seventh day: and, behold, if the plague be somewhat dark, and the plague spread not in the skin, the priest shall pronounce him clean: it is but a scab: and he shall wash his clothes, and be clean.
- Leviticus 13:6

And the priest shall look upon him the seventh day: and if it be spread much abroad in the skin, then the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is the plague of leprosy.
- Leviticus 13:27

And in the seventh day the priest shall look on the plague: and, behold, if the scall spread not, and there be in it no yellow hair, and the scall be not in sight deeper than the skin;
- Leviticus 13:32

And in the seventh day the priest shall look on the scall: and, behold, if the scall be not spread in the skin, nor be in sight deeper than the skin; then the priest shall pronounce him clean: and he shall wash his clothes, and be clean.
- Leviticus 13:34

And he shall look on the plague on the seventh day: if the plague be spread in the garment, either in the warp, or in the woof, or in a skin, or in any work that is made of skin; the plague is a fretting leprosy; it is unclean.
- Leviticus 13:51

But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.
- Leviticus 14:9

And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
- Leviticus 14:39

Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
- Leviticus 23:3

But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
- Leviticus 23:8

And if any man die very suddenly by him, and he hath defiled the head of his consecration; then he shall shave his head in the day of his cleansing, on the seventh day shall he shave it.
- Numbers 6:9

On the seventh day Elishama the son of Ammihud, prince of the children of Ephraim, offered:
- Numbers 7:48

He shall purify himself with it on the third day, and on the seventh day he shall be clean: but if he purify not himself the third day, then the seventh day he shall not be clean.
- Numbers 19:12

And the clean person shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the third day, and on the seventh day: and on the seventh day he shall purify himself, and wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and shall be clean at even.
- Numbers 19:19

And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work.
- Numbers 28:25

And on the seventh day seven bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish:
- Numbers 29:32

And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.
- Numbers 31:19

And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.
- Numbers 31:24

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
- Deuteronomy 5:14

Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein.
- Deuteronomy 16:8

And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.
- Joshua 6:4

And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.
- Joshua 6:15

And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they said unto Samson's wife, Entice thy husband, that he may declare unto us the riddle, lest we burn thee and thy father's house with fire: have ye called us to take that we have? is it not so?
- Judges 14:15

And she wept before him the seven days, while their feast lasted: and it came to pass on the seventh day, that he told her, because she lay sore upon him: and she told the riddle to the children of her people.
- Judges 14:17

And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What is sweeter than honey? and what is stronger than a lion? And he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle.
- Judges 14:18

And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
- 2 Samuel 12:18

And they pitched one over against the other seven days. And so it was, that in the seventh day the battle was joined: and the children of Israel slew of the Syrians an hundred thousand footmen in one day.
- 1 Kings 20:29

And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month, which is the nineteenth year of king Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, unto Jerusalem:
- 2 Kings 25:8

On the seventh day, when the heart of the king was merry with wine, he commanded Mehuman, Biztha, Harbona, Bigtha, and Abagtha, Zethar, and Carcas, the seven chamberlains that served in the presence of Ahasuerus the king,
- Esther 1:10

And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first month, in the seventh day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
- Ezekiel 30:20

And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house.
- Ezekiel 45:20

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
- Hebrews 4:4
My inquiry was: Imge, maybe you can provide us with scripture in the new covenant, which we all are under, that tells us we have to observe any day.

All but one of your "answers" came from the Old Testament. We are not under the laws of the Old Testament. We have a new covenant now. Is that so hard to digest?

Of the one verse that you did provide out of the New Testament yu didn't elaborate how that is telling us to keep the Sabbath of the old covenant. It only said that God rested on one day. That is hardly an argument for demanding that anyone has to observe a day.

Like to try again?
 
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Maybe you can find Ellen White being named an apostle of Jesus and commanded to establish His church. I can’t seem to locate that in my bible.
Why would you? I don't worship Ellen White, I worship God. Not sure what point you are trying to make. No one is saying Ellen White is above God. Ellen inspired us to keep the Sabbath Holy like God commanded. Why would you go off what man changed versus what the Bible teaches? You clearly stated you go to church on Sunday because the Church changed it. Why would you believe man over what God wrote with His own finger?
 
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My inquiry was: Imge, maybe you can provide us with scripture in the new covenant, which we all are under, that tells us we have to observe any day.

All but one of your "answers" came from the Old Testament. We are not under the laws of the Old Testament. We have a new covenant now. Is that so hard to digest?

Of the one verse that you did provide out of the New Testament yu didn't elaborate how that is telling us to keep the Sabbath of the old covenant. It only said that God rested on one day. That is hardly an argument for demanding that anyone has to observe a day.

Like to try again?
As soon as you can provide any scripture anywhere in the Bible that states God Blessed the first day of the week or made it Holy, or Sanctified it or asked us to Remember it. If you please provide this scripture written by God, that would especially be powerful. After all, that's who we serve, right?
 
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Where did I say a person is saved by circumcision?
it’s not all about you ok? You asked since He was circumcised are we supposed to?

I spoke to that circumcision itself was Plan B...and things have changed BACK to original Plan A...no need for a temple or its blood sacrifices...all that never saved anyway...but those who were saved did that


I said it was a commandment of God for the Jews and foreigners living among them. I never said a person is saved by circumcision. Is a person saved by keeping the Sabbath? The pharisees Jesus rebuked and despised kept the Sabbath. Is a person saved by keeping the dietary laws?
not saved but once saved...


The pharisees kept the dietary laws.
3 of which were continued for gentiles crowding synagogues to hear of One resurrected and forgiving ALL not just Jews...


God gave the commandment that all Jews and foreigners living among them must be circumcised.
strangers within thy gates were NOT expected to be circumcised and still received the promise land...and the Sabbath...


To eat Passover meat was only for those circumcised but the unleavened bread was ok for the foreigners who were not...


In fact notice that eating strangled/suffocated/dies of itself meat was forbidden to the gentiles grafting INTO the family by the Acts 15 council.


Deut 14:21 has 3 categories regarding “strangled/suffocated/dies of itself” meat:
  1. Native to NOT eat the meat
  2. Alien given meat to eat
  3. Foreigner SOLD meat to eat

Forbidden to eat it this meat puts these “formerly unclean goyim” into which category?...IF you guessed NATIVE BORN you are correct. Neat eh?

So they were considered FAMILY to do as His House rules expected...

or do you insist to divide His kingdom between those that do vs those that claim they no longer need to?

“This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."”

Genesis 17:10-14 NASB

Circumcision or NO circumcision does not matter KEEPING the commandments of Yah matters...is what Paul concluded.

Besides...I have seen men abuse themselves with more painful tattoos and body modifications...surgeries even...for the sake of VANITY...and yet...such uproar over something which happens at infancy

No Jew there in Acts 15 circumcised themselves their parents carried that burden

Is why we reject infant baptism

Although slowly as apparently the Holy Spirit thought it not important?

The first ecumenical council received from the Holy Spirit the declaration to abolish this commandment concerning Gentiles. Just like in 325AD the council of Nicaea declared it is acceptable to worship on Sunday. Representatives from every church established by the apostles attended that council meeting and agreed.
peer pressure is real...even before High School...lol


So if your going to take Ellen White’s opinion over all the churches established by the apostles you go right ahead
she didn’t invent Sabbath keeping BTW...nor did she present it to them SDAs a Rachel Oakes Preston did...you seem to enjoy history so thought you should know...


but don’t be surprised when Christians accept the decision of the entire Christian community over one person’s opinion
sabbath keeping has been throughout history and just because you reject it does not mean it was...a minority view to be sure but so was He and they killed Him for it...


and unless you intend to keep all 613 commandments of God don’t rebuke another Christian for failing to do so because your just as guilty as they are.
why is it every Christian I speak with agrees to:

Worship no other god
No idols
Don’t take the name in vain
Honor parents
No murder
No adultery
No stealing
No lying
No coveting

But as soon as I bring up the seventh day sabbath it is “HELL NAWW...that’s for Jews only...you are legalist Judaizer...that OT was destroyed...not for me...we’re under grace...just Love everybody...”

and on and on...such energy and twisting of text to reject a day off...LOL

And now you here with “keep one like the Sabbath? Then You have to keep ALL 613!!” LOL

Even then is NOT eating a worm too hard for you?

Or offering your child to fire sacrifice?

Or burying your poop outside camp? Imagine if Europe HAD done just that during its history...no Black Plague and other diseases...


Those 613 commandments were all commandments of God not Moses and that’s not even all of them, that’s only the Old Testament commandments.
please go read them and realize you keep most of them anyway...the irony...

You say we must follow Jesus’ example because Jesus kept the Sabbath, Jesus kept all of the 613 commandments of God not just the Sabbath. Jesus was circumcised, Jesus offered burnt sacrifices, Jesus observed the Passover, Jesus wrote a Torah, so there’s your example to follow. According to your logic everyone MUST still keep the 613 commandments God gave in the Old Testament because Jesus did but now we have a problem because Jesus was circumcised but the apostles declared that Gentiles don’t have to be circumcised. So according to your logic now we have the apostles telling the Gentiles they don’t have to follow Jesus’ example. They don’t have to be circumcised, they don’t have to offer burnt sacrifices, they don’t have to observe the Passover, and they only have to refrain from eating meat offered to idols if they know it was offered as a sacrifice to an idol. So if your not keeping the 613 commandments of God YOUR NOT FOLLOWING JESUS’ EXAMPLE.
oh my...feel better?

I half expect you to shout and chant “defund the Pharisees” LoL

Trying to LOOT the promise while rejecting the very law it is enshrined in...the living oracles He gave to His people Israel at Sinai and already full of those NOT of Jacob...our inalienable rights to adoption and inheritance given to US by our Creator but you wish to dissolve that very Law...

How about just do what was expected of them in Acts 15 in order to hear Moses taught every Sabbath as James concluded...Acts 15:21

You do accept they were to continue with the other 8 living oracles given US at Sinai yes? Oh and the festivals as it is His calendar...not Julian or Gregory's updated version...to be you know LESS JEWISH...lol

BTW 3 dietary restrictions and not just 1 about offering to idols...but no blood or meat strangled/suffocated/died of itself...all already expected of those not of Jacob in the OT...

You are His Yes? ...WANTING to live as He did?...a citizen of Israel after all...then live like it...
 
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Tried to copy paste the Sabbath reference and there was too many characters to post! Something repeated so many times, but yet we are supposed to worship on silent Bible scripture of the first day Sunday?
Did you read my post? I agreed with you that there is no command to worship on Sunday or any other day in the New Testament. Why do you insist that we think there is such a command?

That is a false, man-made teaching.
Yes it is just as your telling us that we have to worship on Saturday. Do you agree we are not under the old covenant?

Everyone can read and listen to the Bible and scriptures, its not too late right now. Our good Lord is coming soon though, look around us. We will destroy each other is Jesus does not come back soon. Don't you want to worship the Sabbath day like Jesus did as an example and what God wrote with His own finger?
Jesus finger has absolutely no bearing on how we are to live under the new covenant. The laws Jesus wrote with His finger were for Israel. Deut 5

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Did you read my post? I agreed with you that there is no command to worship on Sunday or any other day in the New Testament. Why do you insist that we think there is such a command?


Yes it is just as your telling us that we have to worship on Saturday. Do you agree we are not under the old covenant?


Jesus finger has absolutely no bearing on how we are to live under the new covenant. The laws Jesus wrote with His finger were for Israel. Deut 5

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I'll pray for you Bob. I see you are on the Sabbath forums a lot. There must be something pressing in your heart to be on a forum dedicated to Sabbath if you don't believe in it. I am not saying this to be sarcastic, I will pray for you.
 
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The narrow way has nothing to do with Moses.
Has to do with how FEW will continue to follow Him His ways...

"Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them". (Acts 20:28-30).

You think Moses wasn’t saved?
He did NOT make it to the promised land...

You miss all these types and symbols and shadows of all this to be "Thy will be done...on earth as it is in heaven"...

so that to restore us back to Him His Ways as when Sabbath was kept...you know BEFORE this detour of sin in the wilderness?
 
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As soon as you can provide any scripture anywhere in the Bible that states God Blessed the first day of the week or made it Holy, or Sanctified it or asked us to Remember it. If you please provide this scripture written by God, that would especially be powerful. After all, that's who we serve, right?
I admonish you to go back and read post #302. How could I come up with scripture telling us to worship on Sunday when there are none. I fully agreed with you on the subject. Is your memory failing?

I thought you answered by copying and pasting all of the scriptures from the Old Testament and one from the new. I specifically ask you to give me references from the New Testament, new covenant. I am well aware of the ones from the old one. I want answers from the new one and since I went to the bother to answer you question it would be kind of you to reciprocate if you have more to add to what you have already posted. Is that too much to ask?
 
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Sunday worship is not any more “man made” than the abolishment of circumcision for the Gentiles in Acts 15. It was thru the guidance of the Holy Spirit that the council (the churches the apostles established) came to that conclusion.

so His Holy Spirit divided the His Own kingdom between those that do vs those that no longer think they need to?

communion with leavened vs unleavened bread...still NOT resolved by learned men of ancient traditions and renowned scholarship...inspired still?
 
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I'll pray for you Bob. I see you are on the Sabbath forums a lot. There must be something pressing in your heart to be on a forum dedicated to Sabbath if you don't believe in it. I am not saying this to be sarcastic, I will pray for you.
So, you have come to a diversion tactic, why? You said you have the answers and would post them if I answered your question. Now you tell me you are praying for me. Just what is it you are asking of our Savior in my behalf? If indeed you would have been able to answer my post with any scripture that would have told me that I am obligated to observe the Sabbath I would have had to agree with you. I would not be opposed in doing what Jesus would have me to do. I love Him and would be willing to lay down my life for my fellow man just as He has asked us to do.
 
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I admonish you to go back and read post #302. How could I come up with scripture telling us to worship on Sunday when there is none. I fully agreed with you on the subject. Is your memory failing?

I thought you answered by copying and pasting all of the scriptures from the Old Testament and one from the new. I specifically ask you to give me references from the New Testament, new covenant. I am well aware of the ones from the old one. I want answers from the new one and since I went to the bother to answer you question it would be kind of you to reciprocate if you have more to add to what you have already posted. Is that too much to ask?
My memory is good. This scripture has been provided to you several times by other posters but you choose not to listen. If scripture provided by God's own finger is not good enough for you, there's not much to add. Nothing was changed in the new covenant, especially unchanging God and the
scripture He wrote with his own finger. Jesus asked us to keep the old covenant
10 commandments but in our hearts and minds. I am pretty sure you know this. Let me ask you this question. If you don't believe in Gods Holy Sabbath why do hang around on the Sabbath forums? I'm not a believer in the Catholic teachings and I'm not hanging around those forums. Do you believe Sabbath keepers are going to go to Hell?
 
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Yes, yes, yes the Sabbath was made for man. That is the lifeboat of the ones who uphold an old covenant law given only to Israel.
Sabbath the ONLY of the living oracles specifically including US when at Sinai His people were already full of those NOT of Jacob...is WHY "strangers within thy gates" were included...the ONLY Law to specifically include us...but of course you ignore and reject that...

Had God introduced the Sabbath to the remainder of His children around the World I would have to believe Jesus meant all mankind.
"go and teach ALL to observe ALL that I commanded" WAS taught AND demonstrated in the first century...NOT after...

Jesus came to bring the old covenant to an end same as He did with the prophecies about His coming. Since He was to bring to an end all of the laws contained in the failed covenant, Sabbath included, there would be no reason to spread the Sabbath to all mankind.
end all the laws? LOL

so you really do think we are allowed to:

worship another god
make images worship them
take His name in vain
dishonor parents
kill
steal
LIE obviously
covet

AGAIN I did NOT include commit adultery as Acts 15 is clear we are NOT to...as James concluded we would KEEP hearing about Moses every Sabbath Acts 15:21 so SABBATH remained binding too...

It was a dead issue and Jesus had a better covenant to present to the World.
with ISRAEL with His Laws placed in circumcised hearts and christlike "inner Jew" minds...NOTHING about "new laws" "updated version 2.0" laws...

One that was not about keeping ritual days, growing sideburns and restricting what man eats.
despite what Acts 15 restricted...but I suppose you think making sure pig meat not offered to an idol is ok...NEWFLASH...your Sunday Ham is offered to another god who has laws that change and are differing for various people...

BTW blood free and not strangled does NOT make dog meat or rat stew clean meat...

What the World needed was/is how to love each other.
AS HE LOVED US

Jesus covenant allowed men to think for themselves when to worship, when to rest, what to eat and how long they wanted to keep sideburns. Jesus made sure that the new and better covenant was to be for all mankind thus He commanded His disciples to spread the Good News to everyone.
bobservations are boblivious to what even Acts 15 ruled...

Deut 14:21 has 3 categories for strangled/suffocated/died of itself meat

1. Native NOT to eat
2. Alien given to eat
3. Foreigner SOLD to eat

guess which category Acts 15 placed these NOT of Jacob formerly dirty goyim? NATIVE

citizens of Israel...grafted into...adopted into joined with...

How many Brides is He married to?


Yes, we are to keep Jesus commandments just as He kept the now defunct commands of the old covenant's 613 commands. Jesus new covenant commandments have nothing to say about His children keeping one day a week Holy.
He specifically singled our the Sabbath be NOT broken in future times of trouble...Matt 24:20 which you continue to ignore TO reject...as if "Titus' temple toppling service" worked ONLY on the Sabbath...LOL

Most revealing is that Jesus and His ambassador Paul never said that we will go to hell if we don't observe the Sabbath. I remind you that it was Ellen White who wrote that dribble.

Ellen wrote

"Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and have the faith of Yahushua"?

doubtful...as she used "Jehovah" and "Jesus"...lol

but you mean to say only 9/10ths of the living oracles given to Israel at Sinai are to be kept as His faith was NOT a Sabbath keeping one?
 
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A person can love and honor God every day of the week. Doesn’t have to be on Saturday.

NOT the way He asked us to...or SENT His Son to demonstrate and teach us HOW to...

certainly not a love JUST AS He loved us...

they thought they could love and honor Him with a golden calf...

nope...

He was clear on HOW and WHEN...

but others speaking boldly against the Most High changed both times AND Laws...ask Daniel
 
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