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In my experience a healthy dollop of socialism stabilizes a country and does a lot for the economy

Analytically the huge 300 to 1 difference in income in a large company in the US has a dehumanizing effect and disenfranchises low income workers, who have no say in anything that happens to us in the company

The new managing director of a company I was in announced that to increase production of a machinery monitor we made he was going to close our site with 30 employees and transfer the product to a larger site up North with 70 employees who had no product now that theirs had been moved to Columbus.

I predicted that the site up North would never learn to make the product and that was what happened, one version was not produced for a year until it could be made somewhere else and the other version was dropped entirely. Instead of production going up it went way down, and oddly enough the same thing happened in the next company I was in. Maybe it was all the rage in MBA courses at the time.

The half-witted managing director continued on his huge salary and I was out of work. He mattered, I didn't.

That level of inequality reduces the cohesiveness of a country and in combination with other big factors could lead to social unrest or even possibly coming apart as happened with the Roman Empire.
 
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Four more years of the Devil that you know vs a Socialist America? I want neither, but the Socialist America will be very difficult to recover from and take way more than four years if it will even be possible.

How about this? We dump them both in this election. Vote for anybody else. I'm voting for Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party. A centrist. I'm not soiling my hands by voting for Trump, nor voting for the Socialist ruin of America. But you vote for Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum if you are so moved. Then we are guaranteed to get one of them because your vote cancels mine.

What you fail to recognize is that you're speaking from a position of high privilege.

There are certain groups of minorities that are highly threatened by another 4 years with Trump in office. For these groups, there is a huge difference between Trump and Biden and this election is very important if these groups want to keep their rights and liberties.

You guys are delusional if you think voting third-party will have any effect on how the system works in the future. It never has and never will. You need to find a different solution for fixing your voting system.

Also, please stop spreading this nonsense that Biden is anywhere near being socialist. Biden is a center politician and will never enact truly socialist policies. You can talk to any online socialist who will tell you the same. Even Sanders was only running a soc-dem platform which was not even close to being truly socialism.
 
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What you fail to recognize is that you're speaking from a position of high privilege.
If you knew me you would say I am a bit less privileged.
There are certain groups of minorities that are highly threatened by another 4 years with Trump in office. For these groups, there is a huge difference between Trump and Biden and this election is very important if these groups want to keep their rights and liberties.
There are certain groups of minorities that have done better in the last four years than in previous years. But Covid is a threat to them and all of us as small businesses go under, taking jobs with them.
You guys are delusional if you think voting third-party will have any effect on how the system works in the future. It never has and never will. You need to find a different solution for fixing your voting system.
Thank you for telling me I'm delusional. But it's not really the 'voting system' that is the problem. It's the parties that have lost the desire to work with each other for the common good. The hyper-partisanship has been growing for a few decades but has risen to a fever pitch these last four years. The big two parties ARE the problem. I could vote for one to stop the other but then I'm just helping to prop up one of two broken parties. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Also, please stop spreading this nonsense that Biden is anywhere near being socialist. Biden is a center politician and will never enact truly socialist policies. You can talk to any online socialist who will tell you the same. Even Sanders was only running a soc-dem platform which was not even close to being truly socialism.
Biden has held all sorts of positions over his very long tenure in government. He was, once upon a time, a centrist. In this election he was chosen because one constituency, Black voters, were very uncomfortable with the left wing of the party and over the many years Biden had represented their interests better than those other more leftist candidates. But the implicit agreement is that Biden will be president for a while and then retire to let Kamala Harris finish his term. And she is just as socialist as Warren or Saunders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. If you want to say these people are not 'true' socialists, fine. Biden's history is not socialist but he has picked one to replace him when they pull the 25th Amendment trigger.
 
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If you knew me you would say I am a bit less privileged.

Are you a straight white cis-male by any chance?

There are certain groups of minorities that have done better in the last four years than in previous years. But Covid is a threat to them and all of us as small businesses go under, taking jobs with them.

The Trump (and Pence) administration has slowly but steadily chipped away protections for LGBTQ individuals. Women's health is also at risk with more and more restrictions to abortion on the horizon.

Climate change denial is also an important factor to consider, because only Trump has this consistent anti-science stance. 4 more years of doing nothing to combat climate change will be catastrophic.

But the implicit agreement is that Biden will be president for a while and then retire to let Kamala Harris finish his term. And she is just as socialist as Warren or Saunders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. If you want to say these people are not 'true' socialists, fine. Biden's history is not socialist but he has picked one to replace him when they pull the 25th Amendment trigger.

Please name socialist policies that Kamala Harris is pushing.

I'll wait.
 
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From what position of privilege do you ask the question?

???

I am asking because if you are then you are not much affected by the outcome of this election compared to a black gay man, or a trans person for example.
 
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???

I am asking because if you are then you are not much affected by the outcome of this election compared to a black gay man, or a trans person for example.
You, as a European, are not much affected by the outcome of this election compared to any American.
 
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Women's health is also at risk with more and more restrictions to abortion on the horizon.
Is pregnancy a disease?
4 more years of doing nothing to combat climate change will be catastrophic.
Agreed. China must be convinced to stop spreading soot over the arctic thus melting the ice. Driving an electric car fuelled by electricity from goal generators can wait.
I am asking because if you are then you are not much affected by the outcome of this election compared to a black gay man, or a trans person for example.
The concept of freedom is not everyone gets to win. Is it not the voice of society that determines who? Minorities only seem to get a break through charitable actions. It is one thing though when they seek acceptance but another entirely when they try to run the show.
 
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Is pregnancy a disease?

No, but a medical condition that can result in injury or death.

Agreed. China must be convinced to stop spreading soot over the arctic thus melting the ice. Driving an electric car fuelled by electricity from goal generators can wait.

Fix your own issues first before trying to control a foreign nation.

The concept of freedom is not everyone gets to win. Is it not the voice of society that determines who? Minorities only seem to get a break through charitable actions. It is one thing though when they seek acceptance but another entirely when they try to run the show.

Who is trying to "run the show"?

I don't see minorities in positions of power... It's usually old white males who run the show.
 
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No, but a medical condition that can result in injury or death
Oh, well women have always had Drs and hospitals for compilations during pregnancy
Fix your own issues first before trying to control a foreign nation.
We did. That is why industry was moved to China to avoid environmental regulations
I don't see minorities in positions of power... It's usually old white males who run the show.
Minorities have always blended in. It is when they decided to be separate entities their problems arose. As for the old white males I'n guessing if they create a civilization then they expect to maintain the patent. All are capable of building their own (and have) yet the old white guy's world seems to be the favourite of everyone. Maybe we have more toys.
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In the US 'Left' means anything at all. 'The Left' often means the Democratic Party which is often to the right of the Republican Party as it was in 2016 with Hillary, calling 1/4 of voters a basket of deplorables vs Donald who said he would help the manufacturing and mining workers and was therefore on the Left, well, would have been if he had succeeded. But he got a lot of low income vote for just showing awareness of low income people which the DNC was not doing.

Both parties have been working with each other since the Reagan administration. They employ a combination of neoliberalism (deregulation to benefit the rich) and neoconservatism (using the military, foreign policies, and intelligence agencies to influence, destabilize, or attack other countries for economic and military advantages).
 
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Both parties have been working with each other since the Reagan administration. They employ a combination of neoliberalism (deregulation to benefit the rich) and neoconservatism (using the military, foreign policies, and intelligence agencies to influence, destabilize, or attack other countries for economic and military advantages).
Are not the decades of domination by the military-industrial complex being replaced by the medical-industrial complex, or is it an offshoot?
 
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Are not the decades of domination by the military-industrial complex being replaced by the medical-industrial complex, or is it an offshoot?

They work simultaneously, together with others. The basis is government eventually working for those in power, and power based on financial wealth.
 
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