SO MANY CHURCH'S - WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH (Scripture)?

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Hi Rocky, interesting interpretation from Revelations. I have not heard it this way before but appreciate your thoughts. I do also believe God's people are in every Church but not every Church of course is God's Church. So who do the scriptures define as God's people in your view?

“If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.“ - Romans 10:9

So that includes all of us. My denomination of choice is a Pentecostal Holiness...

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out.... - Revelation 3:12

What makes us inferior is that we are in and out of revival.
 
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Right? So if you want to convince people you're the "one true church" be sure to choose a name for yourself right out of the Bible. Then you can point to that and say, "See? It's right there!"

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of "the church of Ephesus". It's still there.
 
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“If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.“ - Romans 10:9

So that includes all of us. My denomination of choice is a Pentecostal Holiness...

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out.... - Revelation 3:12

What makes us inferior is that we are in and out of revival.

Yes good post Rocky! I believe God's people also are in every Church living up to all the light and knowledge he has revealed to them. Does that mean every Church is of God in your view having different teachings?
 
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Yes good post Rocky! I believe God's people also are in every Church living up to all the light and knowledge he has revealed to them. Does that mean every Church is of God in your view having different teachings?
The old Philadelphian methods of revival, which can be described by George Clark Rankin...

The famous Cripple Creek Campground was on that work. They have kept up campmeetings there for more than a hundred years. It is still the great rallying point for the Methodists of all that section. I have never heard such singing and preaching and shouting anywhere else in my life. I met the Rev. John Boring there and heard him preach. He was a well-known preacher in the conference; original, peculiar, strikingly odd, but a great revival preacher.

One morning in the beginning of the service he was to preach and he called the people to prayer. He prayed loud and long and told the Lord just what sort of a meeting we were expecting and really exhorted the people as to their conduct on the grounds. Among other things, he said we wanted no horse- trading and then related that just before kneeling he had seen a man just outside the encampment looking into the mouth of a horse and he made such a peculiar sound as he described the incident that I lifted up my head to look at him, and he was holding his mouth open with his hands just as the man had done in looking into the horse's mouth! But he was a man of power and wrought well for the Church and for humanity.

The rarest character I ever met in my life I met at that campmeeting in the person of Rev. Robert Sheffy, known as "Bob" Sheffy. He was recognized all over Southwest Virginia as the most eccentric preacher of that country. He was a local preacher; crude, illiterate, queer and the oddest specimen known among preachers. But he was saintly in his life, devout in his experience and a man of unbounded faith. He wandered hither and thither over that section attending meetings, holding revivals and living among the people. He was great in prayer, and Cripple Creek campground was not complete without "Bob" Sheffy. They wanted him there to pray and work in the altar.

He was wonderful with penitents. And he was great in following up the sermon with his exhortations and appeals. He would sometimes spend nearly the whole night in the straw with mourners; and now and then if the meeting lagged he would go out on the mountain and spend the entire night in prayer, and the next morning he would come rushing into the service with his face all aglow shouting at the top of his voice. And then the meeting always broke loose with a floodtide.

He could say the oddest things, hold the most unique interviews with God, break forth in the most unexpected spasms of praise, use the homeliest illustrations, do the funniest things and go through with the most grotesque performances of any man born of woman.It was just "Bob" Sheffy, and nobody thought anything of what he did and said, except to let him have his own way and do exactly as he pleased. In anybody else it would not have been tolerated for a moment. In fact, he acted more like a crazy man than otherwise, but he was wonderful in a meeting. He would stir the people, crowd the mourner's bench with crying penitents and have genuine conversions by the score. I doubt if any man in all that conference has as many souls to his credit in the Lamb's Book of Life as old "Bob" Sheffy.

More here... Remembering my old pastor
 
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I suppose the true church would be comprised of those who do the will of the father, regardless of denomination.

That is not what the op asks for, but on that subject, as far as I know there is no mention of a true church in the bible, and all we'll get here is opinion. Not that
there is anything wrong with getting an opinion.
 
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WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH (Scripture)?
Who is My mother and who are My brothers?
And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said,
Here are My mother and My brothers!
For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is
My brother and sister and mother.
” Matthew 12:48-50 NKJV​
 
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Jesus spoke in Aramaic. That is even easier.. ;)

He may have spoken Russian too. That doesn't change the fact that the New Testament was written in koine Greek.
 
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Right? So if you want to convince people you're the "one true church" be sure to choose a name for yourself right out of the Bible. Then you can point to that and say, "See? It's right there!"
He said look for a Church mentioned in the Bible, not a congregation named after a church in the Bible.
 
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Actually no, "Peter" in the Koine Greek means pebble or fragment of a Rock.
The scriptures provided above to you in my previous post where provided to prove that JESUS is only ever referred to as the "Rock" in the scriptures and never Peter. In Koine Greek petros generally meant "pebble or rock fragment," while petra meant "boulder" or "cliff". Accordingly, taking Peter's name means "pebble" The scripture says "And I tell you that you are Peter (Πέτρος; G4074 Petros a (piece of) rock pebble and on this rock (JESUS πέτρα; G4073 petra a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock). I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. The Church was not built on Peter but the teachings of Christ and the Word of God (the chief cornerstone the builders rejected) that JESUS commissioned his 12 Apostles to give to the world. The gates of Hell did prevail against Peter many times although to his credit he acknowledged his mistakes and repented. The gates of Hell never prevailed against JESUS and all the scriptures of the old and new testament declare JESUS as the "Rock" not Peter (Go read some of those scriptures in the previous post).

God bless
You may as well argue with a rock as with a Catholic. They are convinced, blinded and deceived.
 
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Having a love and a charity is also a plus.

By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. - John 13:35

And... I worry... That the COVID virus is working against all of that.
 
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If it abides by the early creeds, it's probably a Christian church.
Does God's true Church follow creeds and the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? How is God's true Church defined in the bible?
 
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The early creeds are Biblical. Here's one easy example: CF Statement of Faith | Christian Forums
Ok so you mean statements of faith according to the scriptures. Sorry my misunderstanding. So many Church's will say they believe the same things. So why is there 40,000 - 50,000 different denominations of the christian faith? I think many of these denominations will have some cross over in their beliefs which is why they call themselves Christian. How do we know who are and who are not and who is God's true church (people)?
 
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Does God's true Church follow creeds and the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? How is God's true Church defined in the bible?
I was listening to two sisters talk in an Assembly of God church and they heard that in the last days the people were going to have to, "Cut their own paths."

In this day and time we may find ourselves more and more alone with the Spirit and the Word of God.
 
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Ok so you mean statements of faith according to the scriptures. Sorry my misunderstanding. So many Church's will say they believe the same things. So why is there 40,000 - 50,000 different denominations of the christian faith? I think many of these denominations will have some cross over in their beliefs which is why they call themselves Christian. How do we know who are and who are not and who is God's true church (people)?
Many of those churches split due to ecclesiastical policy rather than core doctrine.

What I linked is the Nicene Creed with Biblical references. If a church denies any of the teachings from the link I provided, it's not a Christian church. It's not an impossible mess.
 
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Jesus built His church on Peter, the rock. The Catholic church.

Matthew 16:18
18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.

That’s not true at all.

Jesus did not tell Peter that the church would be built on him:

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Jesus spoke of two different rocks: Peter is Petros in the Greek - small rock - and the rock the church is built on is Petra - bedrock.

In the Greek Jesus said: thou art PETROS, and upon this PETRA I will build my church.

The church isn’t built on Peter, or on any one individual:

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Built on the foundation of apostles, plural, and prophets, plural - not on Peter alone.

BTW, Jesus said no apostle would be above the others.

Peter had no preeminence.
 
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Yes this is my view as well DT, do you have scripture support for your view? What does the bible say to support your view?

What exactly are you looking for in the Bible.

That the Bible states that the church Jesus is building is invisible
 
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He said look for a Church mentioned in the Bible, not a congregation named after a church in the Bible.

Right. So... church of Christ, Church of God, Assembly of God, The Way..... any more?
 
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