BLM are self described Marxists

FireDragon76 · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
John 10:8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them.

It has more to do with who we appoint as our shepherd. This is why those that are not of faith are drawn to the Left and government. They inwardly desire that shepherd because deep down we know we are all sheep.

This is very much a misunderstanding of what many on the Left actually believe. Many of us are anti-authoritarian, which is why we oppose authoritarian notions embedded in many parts of culture, such as the notion that Christianity is the only possible right answer as to how to live or what to worship.

WonbyOneanddone · Oct 19, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
No, actually Marx did not believe money was the proper way to engage in human relationships, that it was in fact contrary to our nature as social animals to do so.

That's not a problem from Marx's point of view. The point is to get in touch with our actual concrete, material circumstances.

Ok, so material circumstances, whatever you mean by that, is still materialism.

In comparison, when Christ turned the loaves of bread and fish into a meal to feed everyone, they wanted to make him a king, but he withdrew himself, which baffled his disciples.

The reason is, meeting the material needs of the people was secondary to the message that was spiritual in nature. Conversely, Marx would just let them make him king as he fed the people which is not why we are here. And although it meets are temporal needs it does not meet the primary need as to why we are here.

WonbyOneanddone · Oct 19, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
This is very much a misunderstanding of what many on the Left actually believe. Many of us are anti-authoritarian, which is why we oppose authoritarian notions embedded in many parts of culture, such as the notion that Christianity is the only possible right answer as to how to live or what to worship.

I don't know how you divorce authoritarianism from Marxism. From our historical records, they all have been despotic and authoritarian.

As the US government has turned Left, they are now to the point of making some 40,000 new laws and regulations every year. And with the cancel culture, we have succumb to thought control or be canceled from society.

This is not from right wing sources.

98cwitr · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
Does this trouble anyone?

It should. Marxism has murdered far more people than any other ideology, including fascism and Nazism.

And as Christians well know, Marxism has murdered many of their own.

What is baffling to me is, why is it PC to be a Marxist then but not a Nazi or neo-Nazi.

Don't get me wrong, it should not be PC to be either. Both are one in the same if you ask me.

Also ask yourself: Why are donates handled through blacklivesmatter.com going to ActBlue?

Sparagmos · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
So racism does not mean anything if those who created a Left wing ideology were racists, but it does matter if those who founded a country that runs contrary to Left winged ideology were racists?

Do you even know any Marxists? They don’t revere him, they just think he was right about some things. You could discover that Einstein was a serial killer and that doesn’t change the truth of his scientific discoveries one iota.

WonbyOneanddone said:
The whole argument from the Left is that the US was founded on systemic racism, so it all needs to be torn down and start over, yet they ignore the plank in their own eye?

. Really? That’s the argument from “the left?” I’m on the left, have a bunch of leftist friends, and none of us want that.

If you want to understand “the left” you’ll have to talk to them.

WonbyOneanddone · Oct 19, 2020

Sparagmos said:
Do you even know any Marxists? They don’t revere him, they just think he was right about some things. You could discover that Einstein was a serial killer and that doesn’t change the truth of his scientific discoveries one iota.

. Really? That’s the argument from “the left?” I’m on the left, have a bunch of leftist friends, and none of us want that.

If you want to understand “the left” you’ll have to talk to them.

I'm sure Marx would have been appalled at how his ideology has been applied throughout the world, much like Christ would have been appalled at how the Catholic church conducted the oppression of Jews in Europe. But both have a similarity, the state uses their ideology for their own purposes as those purposes end up devolving into wickedness. In fact, Christ fought the leaders of his day as well.

But that is what power does. The more sinful man has of it, the more corruption and oppression that will soon follow. That is why God abhorred the idea of Israel choosing a king and warned them against it, but they would not listen and wound up with Saul.

All Leftists I know, seek political power to impose it on the whole of society. Of course, there are those who do it on a small scale, like those who choose to live in a commune, but by in large it is just a group of people trying to impose their views on how to live on everyone. And no, they could care less if Marx was a racist, but feign caring about the Founding Fathers being racist so they can use it to destroy the idea of a limited government they hate.

No entity in the history of may has inflicted as much oppression and death than that of the state.

FireDragon76 · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
I don't know how you divorce authoritarianism from Marxism. From our historical records, they all have been despotic and authoritarian.

There's more to the Left than Leninist Communism, you know. There's Social Democracy, Anarcho-Syndicalism, etc.

As the US government has turned Left, they are now to the point of making some 40,000 new laws and regulations every year. And with the cancel culture, we have succumb to thought control or be canceled from society.

This is not from right wing sources.

The US isn't remotely "Left". Joe Biden or Kamala Harris are not on the Left. They are center right politicians.

FireDragon76 · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
Ok, so material circumstances, whatever you mean by that, is still materialism.

Material circumstances, pertaining to peoples material needs. Without which you can't live. You can live without religion or art, but you can't live without food, water, or shelter.

The reason is, meeting the material needs of the people was secondary to the message that was spiritual in nature.

That's your interpretation. I'm sure Jesus was not so stupid as to think people could live on thoughts and prayers alone. He seemed to have alot of not so nice things to say about the rich, for instance.

Conversely, Marx would just let them make him king as he fed the people which is not why we are here. And although it meets are temporal needs it does not meet the primary need as to why we are here.

"The primary need as to why we are here" is utterly incoherent and meaningless when you are hungry or have no place to live. People in the real world suffer from material privations of all kinds, lack of food, lack of housing, lack of water.

Chrystal-J · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
If you say all lives matter, you can now lose your job because many have for saying it.

We are entering a time of PC fascism where just thinking something contrary to Left wing ideology will destroy your life.

Another example are the Left winged college compasses across the country. Denis Prager did a movie called, "No Safe Spaces" where he documented the Leftist intolerance. Students now declare "safe spaces" on colleges all across the country where you are not allowed to express certain politcal stances, specifically, conservative political stances. In addition, professors are often canceled if they are deemed impure from a Left winged perspective. For example, a professor was canceled for merely referring to a conservative perspective but not actively promoting it in any way. She was a life long democrat and considered herself "woke" but cannibalized by her own. Another professor had a similar situation, only, his life was threatened and he lost tenure and fired. He later went to court over it and won. And I'm sure we all have heard how conservatives are denied the right to speak at college a college campass all around the country.

The Left is essentially preparing the next wave of leaders all across the country so they will continue to fight, such as we see with Big Tech censoring conservative thought on things like Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, etc. In fact, Youtube used to have a trailer of "No Safe Spaces" but took it down.

It is akin to Nazis burning books in years of old. It is about censoring material and thought that runs counter to your own and ideas that you have no way of successfully countering.

Nazism and Marxism are very similar

It's all about "divide and conquer". If they can create a race war, then (they hope) chaos will ensue. This chaos will lead to destruction. (Marx wanted total destruction of the world.) It's very similar to the Satanic goal of worldwide destruction that will allow Satanists to rebuild the world in their vision of Satanic glory.

WonbyOneanddone · Oct 19, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
This is very much a misunderstanding of what many on the Left actually believe. Many of us are anti-authoritarian, which is why we oppose authoritarian notions embedded in many parts of culture, such as the notion that Christianity is the only possible right answer as to how to live or what to worship.

Christians don't go round canceling people for not thinking like they should.

Now it used to be that the church would go round burning people at the stake for not being PC, but I suppose it's the Left's turn.

WonbyOneanddone · Oct 19, 2020

Chrystal-J said:
It's all about "divide and conquer". If they can create a race war, then (they hope) chaos will ensue. This chaos will lead to destruction. (Marx wanted total destruction of the world.) It's very similar to the Satanic goal of worldwide destruction that will allow Satanists to rebuild the world in their vision of Satanic glory.

At many of the rallies you chillingly hear "Death to America" chanted.

It's hard sometimes to know if you are in Iran or the US

Chrystal-J · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
At many of the rallies you chillingly hear "Death to America" chanted.

It's hard sometimes to know if you are in Iran or the US

The communists used to hide their agenda behind "helping" people (see Saul Alinsky), but now it's openly being displayed.

WonbyOneanddone · Oct 19, 2020

Chrystal-J said:
The communists used to hide their agenda behind "helping" people (see Saul Alinsky), but now it's openly being displayed.

Well no movement would be a movement without at least feigning help to people.

Al Capone is a prime example, he ran soup kitchens for the poor.

Sparagmos · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
There is no spiritual aspect of Marxism. It is completely materialistic in nature.

That is because, like capitalism, it is an economic system. All economic systems are materialist, meaning they address the circumstances of the material world and the distribution of material things.

Sparagmos · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
Those who burned books in the Nazi regime were also free to do so.

But it should concern people nonetheless

That had nothing to do with the free market, but at-will employment does.

Sparagmos · Oct 19, 2020

Chrystal-J said:
The communists used to hide their agenda behind "helping" people (see Saul Alinsky), but now it's openly being displayed.

How do you know what the agenda is of all of these people you have no relationship to? This whole thread is you and @WonbyOneanddone putting up strawmen and then being corrected by people who actually know what they are talking about. If you are really interested in defeating Marxism, I’d expect you to be asking far more questions so that you can learn as much as possible about your enemy. Why don’t you connect with some Marxists or Communists in your area and go to a meeting? Then you can learn first hand what they are plotting and what they care about.

Sparagmos · Oct 19, 2020

98cwitr said:
Also ask yourself: Why are donates handled through blacklivesmatter.com going to ActBlue?

That’s like saying why is my money going g to PayPal when I buy something on eBay...

Chrystal-J · Oct 19, 2020

Sparagmos said:
How do you know what the agenda is of all of these people you have no relationship to? This whole thread is you putting up strawmen and then being corrected by people who actually know what they are talking about. If you are really interested in defeating Marxism, I’d expect you to be asking far more questions so that you can learn as much as possible about your enemy. Why don’t you connect with some Marxists or Communists in your area and go to a meeting? Then you can learn first hand what they are plotting and what they care about.

I'm Catholic and the Catholic Church was heavily involved with Alinsky organizing until it realized their roots in Marxism. You don't have to intimately know an individual to know the fruits of his actions. In his own words, he said he identified with demons. (Even if you don't believe in demons, you know their agenda.) Why would I go to a meeting--I own my house and have no desire to give it to the government.

timothyu · Oct 19, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
You know, Christians have made similar statements in the past, like John Milton, who portrayed the Devil in a sympathetic way at times. Does that make them Satanists, or merely good at using imagery to explain something that is very human, the desire for autonomy (which in itself is not evil, unless you want to give up American ideals, perhaps).

Perhaps the Adversary could repent at the last moment like many Christians.

timothyu · Oct 19, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
The book was written by a man who was not a Christian and offered advice on how to fight in non-Christ like terms.

Is there any system of man including religion that actually puts God's will ahead of man's and loves all as self? Perhaps the man should be defined in other terms that would set him apart.

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