Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

Status
Not open for further replies.

nolidad

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jan 2, 2006
6,762
1,269
69
onj this planet
✟221,310.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Since David is a friend of mine, and I have read his book "Christ is All", you could not be more wrong.
I got an email from David this morning.
He is probably the leading proponent of New Covenant Theology in the world, at the present time.



.

Just read teh wiki summary of NCT. If it is rendering a true picture of it in summation form , then it is:
1. a fairly new theology in the church
2. borrows from dispensationalism and covenantal theology.
3. Brings about a new hermeneutic (christocentric)
4. Which means it teaches replacement theology and takes the OT promises to Israel and allegorizes them to the church.

Like I said, old lie with a new dress!
 
Upvote 0

nolidad

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jan 2, 2006
6,762
1,269
69
onj this planet
✟221,310.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
People determine when Jesus comes? Isn't that what this would mean?

Not in teh least!

Jesus set the parameters when He would return and foretold what it would take for Him to be seen on earth again!

Luke 13:34-35
King James Version

34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 
Upvote 0

mkgal1

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33
Supporter
Jun 22, 2007
27,339
7,349
California
✟551,233.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
Not in teh least!

Jesus set the parameters when He would return and foretold what it would take for Him to be seen on earth again!

Luke 13:34-35
King James Version

34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
You posted:

but at teh end of teh tribulation period (the 70th week of Daniel), teh entire nation of Israel will get saved, cry out "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord and cause Jesus to return~ Nolidad
......but those that Jesus was addressing didn't see Him again. This isn't about "causing Jesus to return". He was done revealing Truth to them (but gave them the opportunity to acknowledge Him as Messiah).

The end of the 70th week came in 34 AD (the ones He was addressing had Him crucified in 30 AD....in the middle of the 70th week). Keep reading....Jesus said this:

Matthew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 
Last edited:
  • Winner
Reactions: jgr
Upvote 0

Brian Mcnamee

Well-Known Member
Feb 2, 2017
2,308
1,294
64
usa
✟213,965.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
I believe in the early dating of Revelation (around 65 AD).

As far as the phrase "to seal up vision and prophecy ", I agree with this commentary from John Peter Lange:

The idea is, that everything in the form of prophetic visions and predictions that had been produced in the course of theocratic development from the time of Moses should receive ‘sealing’ i.e. Divine confirmation and recognition, in the form of actual fulfillment .” (John Peter Lange, Commentary on the Holy Scriptures, Ezekiel-Daniel, edited by Phillip Schaff, (Grand Rapids; Zondervan, 1876), 195).
Also Barnes commentary:

Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Seal - The seal is a very ancient invention. Judah's signet and Pharaoh's signet-ring are mentioned in Genesis Gen 38:18; Genesis 41:42. Signets of Egyptian kings have been found which are referred to about 2000 B.C. Sennacherib's signet, and an impression of Sargon's, are still extant. There can be no doubt that in the East, from a very remote antiquity, kings had seals and appended them to all documents which they set forth under their authority.


Daniel's prophecy informs us of the actual timing of the fulfillment (and with the hindsight of history, we know this to have occurred in 70 AD with the complete destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple system):

Daniel 12:7
When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.”
Read Zech 14 daniel 7 the power of the people is completely shattered then too but the LORD comes and the kingdom is established and instead of being destroyed they are saved and live is seen continuing on earth after the LORD has come and the son of man is given the kingdom that covers the earth and has no end. Dan 9 is not fulfilled in 70 AD. The people of the prince who shall come will destroy the city and the sanctuary which was 70AD. The prince who shall come is the beast of rev 13, the man of sin in 2 Thes 2 and he is revealed by stopping the sacrifices in the middle of the week. You see the beast has 42 months over every tribe tongue kindred and nation and that would place his assent to power to the middle of the week. 2 Thes 2 says the man of sin is revealed in the temple performing lying signs and wonders and is believed by all but the elect. Both the man of sin and the beast are destroyed at the 2nd coming of the Lord. This is future and tons and tons of verses describe the before and after picture and support this exact timeline.
 
Upvote 0

jgr

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Feb 25, 2008
9,692
5,007
✟783,467.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Just read teh wiki summary of NCT. If it is rendering a true picture of it in summation form , then it is:
1. a fairly new theology in the church
2. borrows from dispensationalism and covenantal theology.
3. Brings about a new hermeneutic (christocentric)
4. Which means it teaches replacement theology and takes the OT promises to Israel and allegorizes them to the church.

Like I said, old lie with a new dress!

The choice:

1. Replacement theology, which unites the Chosen People of God under One Leader in One Fold contingent exclusively upon the spiritual DNA of faith and obedience. (John 10:16;Romans 10:12;Galatians 3:28;Colossians 3:11;Ephesians 2:14-16).

2. Replacement biology, aka dispensational racialism, which separates and divides the Chosen People of God into two camps of physical DNA based upon a risible premise of fallacious genetics illegitimate in both Scripture and science.

Easy decision.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

mkgal1

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33
Supporter
Jun 22, 2007
27,339
7,349
California
✟551,233.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
The antichrist is a person the Jews will embrace as the messiah and will be anointed the King of Israel (anti) instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

So being the King of Israel, albeit not the person God intends to be the King of Israel, one of the requirements is to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years, by reading the law to the nation of Israel.
.....the problem is....this doesn't come from Scripture. It's a false narrative.

John wrote of the false messiahs (antichrists) that had come in his (John's) day. Ray Vander Laan - a historian - has great insight on this (IMO):

From article "That the World May Know | The Jewish Revolts" The Jewish Revolts

20201016_140428.jpg
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,685
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,691.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
.....the problem is....this doesn't come from Scripture. It's a false narrative.

John wrote of the false messiahs (antichrists) that had come in his (John's) day. Ray Vander Laan - a historian - has great insight on this (IMO):

From article "That the World May Know | The Jewish Revolts" The Jewish Revolts

View attachment 286486
To become the Antichrist, the person has to be anointed the King of Israel. Israel, the united nation, has not had a king since Solomon.

There have been false christs, such as, Simon bar Kochba, but no-one has been anointed the King of Israel yet.
 
Upvote 0

mkgal1

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33
Supporter
Jun 22, 2007
27,339
7,349
California
✟551,233.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
To become the Antichrist, the person has to be anointed the King of Israel. Israel, the united nation, has not had a king since Solomon.

There have been false christs, such as, Simon bar Kochba, but no-one has been anointed the King of Israel yet.
The only biblical author that wrote of antichrists was John. I believe his warning was referring to the same warning Jesus gave to His first century audience:

Matthew 24:26
So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it!

34Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour.
.....there is nothing in Scripture about any requirement of being anointed as their king. Those that falsely believed the Zealots, perished in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. Their false messiahs led them to their deaths. These are the only 4 verses in all of Scripture that mention antichrists:

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 1:7


......none say anything about one antichrist in particular.

Josephus wrote about false messiahs of the first century, though.

"These impostors, under a pretense of divine inspiration, affecting innovations and changes, persuaded the multitude to grow mad, and led them forth 'into the desert,' as if God would there show them the signs of liberty. Against these Felix, for it seemed to be the foundation of a revolt, sent horse and foot soldiers, and slew a great number of them." ~ josephus.org

"Declared to the people in the city, that God commanded them to go up into the temple, and there they should receive the signs of deliverance. A multitude of men, women, and children, went up accordingly; but instead of deliverance, the place was set on fire by the Romans, and six thousand perished miserably in the flames, or by throwing themselves down to escape them." ~ josephus.org​
 
Last edited:
  • Winner
Reactions: jgr
Upvote 0

mkgal1

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33
Supporter
Jun 22, 2007
27,339
7,349
California
✟551,233.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
These are the only 4 verses in all of Scripture that mention antichrists:

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 1:7


......none say anything about one in particular.

Who then was that first century person?
Those verses don't seem to be about any particular individual. Look at this one, for an example:

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,685
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,691.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Upvote 0

mkgal1

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33
Supporter
Jun 22, 2007
27,339
7,349
California
✟551,233.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
That's still describing the many deceivers. Those that don't confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh are antichrist and a deceiver. These verses are similar:

1 John 4:3
....and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the [spirit] of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,685
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,691.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
That's still describing the many deceivers. Those that don't confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh are antichrist and a deceiver. These verses are similar:

1 John 4:3
....and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the [spirit] of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

The part underlined is what has not happened yet. Or else you could say who that person was.
 
Upvote 0

nolidad

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jan 2, 2006
6,762
1,269
69
onj this planet
✟221,310.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
You posted:

but at teh end of teh tribulation period (the 70th week of Daniel), teh entire nation of Israel will get saved, cry out "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord and cause Jesus to return~ Nolidad
......but those that Jesus was addressing didn't see Him again. This isn't about "causing Jesus to return". He was done revealing Truth to them (but gave them the opportunity to acknowledge Him as Messiah).

The end of the 70th week came in 34 AD (the ones He was addressing had Him crucified in 30 AD....in the middle of the 70th week). Keep reading....Jesus said this:

Matthew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Well Jesus addressed the nation- not the individuals and He did not say IF you say but "UNTIL" which means that Israel will say it!

And I Invite you to show biblical and historical proof that the 70th week of Daniel ended in 34 AD., with out reinterpreting SCriptures to make it say something the words on the page say!

So far all who have tired, have failed miserably! They have to allegorize the SCriptures so that the meaning the assign almost does not even match what is written.

If you must allegorize in your defense- then defend from teh SCriptures why the allegorical meaning is valid ansd the literal meaning is not!

So here is what you have to prove:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

1. Show that Israel finished THE transgression
2. that an end of sins has been made (not offerings but sin iitself)
3. we botrh accept reconciliation for iniquity is done.
4. That everlasting righteousness hasbeen brought in to Israel and Jerusalem.
5. All visions and prophecy are done
6. Show who made a 7 year covenant with Israel and what was that covenant in 27 AD.
7. After 3 1/2 sacrifices and oblations did not cease but continued for another 40 years! God did not inspire the efficacy of the sacrifices would cease ( I agree) but the sacrifices themselves would cease.
8. This passage identifies the ruler who will make a covenant with Israel for 7 years- He is a future ruler of the people who will come and destroy the Sanctuary- that Makes him a roman ruler! Defend from Scripture why you would say this is Jesus a Jew who did not rule Rome.

I await your defense of your opinion.
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,685
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,691.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
1. Show that Israel finished THE transgression
nolidad, I agree with you regarding the general principal that the 70th week has not begun yet.

The transgression though is not that of Israel.

Daniel did not have a vision in Daniel 9. Yet Gabriel said - consider the vision. What vision? Daniel had a vision in Daniel 8 regarding the little horn's transgression of desolation, which includes the stoppage of the daily sacrifice. Which Daniel was informed would be time of the end.

"The" transgression that will be finished when it happens as per the vision in Daniel 8, is the transgression of desolation by the little horn person.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

jgr

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Feb 25, 2008
9,692
5,007
✟783,467.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
And I Invite you to show biblical and historical proof that the 70th week of Daniel ended in 34 AD., with out reinterpreting SCriptures to make it say something the words on the page say!

So far all who have tired, have failed miserably! They have to allegorize the SCriptures so that the meaning the assign almost does not even match what is written.

Since this includes virtually every defender of the true faith for over 1700 years of NT Church history, we would need some credible evidence as to how they "failed miserably".

Let's focus on Daniel 9:24, and let's start with, say, Clement of Alexandria, an Early Church Father (ECF) who lived from 150-215 AD in the early post-apostolic era.

Describe for us Clement's understanding of Daniel 9:24, and describe for us how he "failed miserably".

Awaiting.
 
Last edited:
  • Winner
Reactions: mkgal1
Upvote 0

mkgal1

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33
Supporter
Jun 22, 2007
27,339
7,349
California
✟551,233.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
The part underlined is what has not happened yet. Or else you could say who that person was.
That verse states they'd been taught previously that antichrists were coming (here it was in the singular).....yet only John used that term in only 4 passages that I shared. So all the extra biblical presumptions regarding antichrist(s) are not supported anywhere in Scripture.

I believe John's instruction points back to what Jesus had said, because that's the only other instruction that's close to what John had written when he used that phrase (and Josephus' historical account confirms the validity of Jesus's warning to them).

Matthew 24:26
So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it!

Quoting Jewish encyclopedia:
From Josephus it appears that in the first century before the destruction of the Temple a number of Messiahs arose promising relief from the Roman yoke, and finding ready followers. Josephus speaks of them thus: "Another body of wicked men also sprung up, cleaner in their hands, but more wicked in their intentions, who destroyedthe peace of the city no less than did these murderers [the Sicarii]. For they were deceivers and deluders of the people, and, under pretense of divine illumination, were for innovations and changes, and prevailed on the multitude to act like madmen, and went before them in the wilderness, pretending that God would there show them signs of liberty" (Josephus, "B. J." ii. 13, §; 4; idem, "Ant." xx. 8, §; 6). Matt. xxiv. 24, warning against "false Christs and false prophets," gives testimony to the same effect. Thus about 44, Josephus reports, a certain impostor, Theudas, who claimed to be a prophet, appeared and urged the people to follow him with their belongings to the Jordan, which he would divide for them. According to Acts v. 36 he secured about 400 followers. Cuspius Fadus sent a troop of horsemen after him and his band, slew many of them, and took captive others, together with their leader, beheading the latter ("Ant." xx. 5, § 1)."PSEUDO-MESSIAHS - JewishEncyclopedia.com" PSEUDO-MESSIAHS - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Acts 5:36
Some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men joined him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing.​
 
Last edited:
  • Winner
Reactions: jgr
Upvote 0

nolidad

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jan 2, 2006
6,762
1,269
69
onj this planet
✟221,310.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
nolidad, I agree with you regarding the general principal that the 70th week has not begun yet.

The transgression though is not that of Israel.

Daniel did not have a vision in Daniel 9. Yet Gabriel said - consider the vision. What vision? Daniel had a vision in Daniel 8 regarding the little horn's transgression of desolation, which includes the stoppage of the daily sacrifice. Which Daniel was informed would be time of the end.

"The" transgression that will be finished when it happens as per the vision in Daniel 8, is the transgression of desolation by the little horn person.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Hi Douggg:

Well I would have to disagree with you for the context of the vision of Daniel 8 does not allow for it! Let us look at the passage you are emphasizing.

Dan. 8:

3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

The vision is first of the Medes and Persians (ram with 2 horns)

2nd it describes Alexander the great (goat with notable horn) who conquered the Medes and Persians.
Right in the midst of Alexander conquering he died young and his kingdom was divided into four ruled by:
Cassander, Ptolemy, Antigonus, and Seleucus.

From the Seleucus dynasty came Antiochus IV Epiphenes. It is he who is being spoken of in this vision. He was the protoype for the abomination of desolation. He caused the sacrifice to cease for the 2300 days, until the Maccabean revolt drove him out and they cleansed the temple. Antiochus was a very evil ruler. Slaughtered a pig on the altar, set up gods in the temple compound, sluaghtered Jewish women and threw them off temple mount etc.etc.

But considering that the abomination of desolation (Dan. 9) happens at the midpoint of the 70th week of Daniel, the sacrifice will cease only for only 1260 days till Jesus returns, then for 75 more days after that! It does not fit the vision.

But is there a specific sin that the nation has committed that has to end? The answer is yes and is found in MAtthew 12. The national rejection of Jesus as the Messiah on the basis He was demon possessed.

Because of this sin, the kingdom to be given to Israel was pulled from that generation and will be given to a future generation of Israel.

The 70-135 AD judgment took place where Israel lost its temple, its sacrifice for nearly 2 millenia now, lost its Holy City and its nation and were scattered to the nations as was prophesied and the land became barren as was prophesied!

But God also prophesied that He will force the nation of Israel into the bond of the covenant (the New Covenant) and that during the tribulation years 2/3 of all Israel will be killed but the 1/3 left will call upon the Lord and be saved as a nation (Zech 13). A remnant is being saved to day but as Paul said that even still today when Moses is read, there is a veil over the hearts of teh Jews! But it also is declared that there is a day coming when that veil will be lifted (when the fulness of the gentiles come in) and all Israel at that time frame will be saved!

So based on teh flow of Daniel 8, the time of the sacrifice removed- I cannot see how we can make the transgression of this one (Antiochus) be the transgression of Daniel 9. I believe that these two chapters are speaking of two separate transgressions. One by AntiochusIV, and the other the national rejection of Jesus by Israel. That event spoken of in Matt. 12 has had still enormous consequences for ISrael!

Hope this helps.
 
Upvote 0

mkgal1

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33
Supporter
Jun 22, 2007
27,339
7,349
California
✟551,233.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
Because of this sin, the kingdom to be given to Israel was pulled from that generation and will be given to a future generation of Israel.
It was an immediate transfer to His saints according to Jesus (and Daniel):

Matthew 21:43-45
Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.l45When the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they knew that Jesus was speaking about them.

Daniel 7:18

But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and possess it forever—yes, forever and ever.’
 
Last edited:
  • Winner
Reactions: jgr
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

mkgal1

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33
Supporter
Jun 22, 2007
27,339
7,349
California
✟551,233.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
But God also prophesied that He will force the nation of Israel into the bond of the covenant (the New Covenant) and that during the tribulation years 2/3 of all Israel will be killed but the 1/3 left will call upon the Lord and be saved as a nation (Zech 13).
What part of Zechariah 13 do you interpret to mean that "God will force" anyone into the bond of a covenant?

Here's Adam Clarke's commentary on Zechariah 13 ":
Zechariah 13 Commentary - Adam Clarke Commentary
 
Last edited:
  • Winner
Reactions: jgr
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.