Blackness Has Become a Commodity

Hammster

Psalm 144:1
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Apr 5, 2007
140,187
25,222
55
New Jerusalem
Visit site
✟1,728,699.00
Country
United States
Faith
Reformed
Marital Status
Married
How condescending ... as if those with (perhaps) different political viewpoints wouldn't know anything about Compassion International ... or couldn't figure it out.

I've been sponsoring kids from Compassion for at least (30) years now ... and a passel with World Vision, as well. I just picked up (2) more because of COVID ...
How was that condescending?
 
Upvote 0

Junia

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2020
2,795
1,387
42
Bristol
✟31,159.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
I fail to understand why people identify as another color. I know it's just hateful people acting out but why they chose to do that I just don't know.
I
emotional issues to do with identity of self worth?

does seem to be a mental health issue
 
  • Like
Reactions: Arc F1
Upvote 0

Junia

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2020
2,795
1,387
42
Bristol
✟31,159.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
The official US position has been that "one drop" of black blood ... makes you black. This has translated into ... any trace of lack heritage ... makes one black ...

whereas in Britain that would meAn you would qualify as mixed race rather than black. If you had a great great great grandparent who was black that would mean you're mixe

But unless your 1/16 or 1/32 blackness means you physically look black or mixed it is unlikely to affect.your life

I have all sorts in my own heritage but I take after the white Celtic side of my family. I don't suffer discrimination for also be ing from other groups generations back. A DNA test on me if I had one would show quite a lot of diversity but I look white, was.raised in a white culture and have white privilege in respect of my colour.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Arc F1
Upvote 0

Ken-1122

Newbie
Jan 30, 2011
13,574
1,790
✟225,690.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
The official US position has been that "one drop" of black blood ... makes you black. This has translated into ... any trace of black heritage ... makes one black ...
That was during slavery. Slavery ended a long time ago
 
  • Like
Reactions: NerdGirl
Upvote 0

Ken-1122

Newbie
Jan 30, 2011
13,574
1,790
✟225,690.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
It hasn't ...

From ... 6 facts about economic inequality in the U.S.).


The black-white income gap in the U.S. has persisted over time. The difference in median household incomes between white and black Americans has grown from about $23,800 in 1970 to roughly $33,000 in 2018 (as measured in 2018 dollars). Median black household income was 61% of median white household income in 2018, up modestly from 56% in 1970 – but down slightly from 63% in 2007, before the Great Recession, according to Current Population Survey data.
What's wrong with income inequality? Why do you consider it a bad thing?
 
  • Like
Reactions: NerdGirl
Upvote 0

A_Thinker

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Apr 23, 2004
11,911
9,064
Midwest
✟953,784.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
That was during slavery. Slavery ended a long time ago
Slavery officially ended 150 years ago. Slavery lasted for 430 years in the Americas.

The "one-drop" rule has outlasted slavery. Note that once the "rule" was encoded in American society, ... there was no need to have explicit "laws" to reinforce it.

Until it is officially repudiated by the culture, it (i.e. the identification of anyone with any African heritage as black), ... it will continue to have sway ...
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Ken-1122

Newbie
Jan 30, 2011
13,574
1,790
✟225,690.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Slavery officially ended 150 years ago. Slavery lasted for 430 years in the Americas.

The "one-drop" rule has outlasted slavery. Note that once the "rule" was encoded in American society, ... there was no need to have explicit "laws" to reinforce it.

Until it is officially repudiated by the culture, it (i.e. the identification of anyone with any African heritage as black), ... it will continue to have sway ...
That’s different than what you said before. Back on post #73 you said

The official US position has been that "one drop" of black blood ... makes you black.

Now you appear to be changing it from an official US position, to having sway in some US cultures.
In my state, whatever the race the father identifies as is what the baby is called upon birth. I suspect that position has more "sway" in most US cultures than the one drop rule.
 
Upvote 0

A_Thinker

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Apr 23, 2004
11,911
9,064
Midwest
✟953,784.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
That’s different than what you said before. Back on post #73 you said

The official US position has been that "one drop" of black blood ... makes you black.

Now you appear to be changing it from an official US position, to having sway in some US cultures.
In my state, whatever the race the father identifies as is what the baby is called upon birth. I suspect that position has more "sway" in most US cultures than the one drop rule.
Official doesn't have to mean codified into law. It can simply reflect a fairly universal standard.

I think that the thread consensus has been that this was true at some time in US history, ... and that it was codified in some US (state, local, etc.) law.

That any other standard prevailed in other areas of the US was not known to me, although I would assert that it doesn't ring true with the reality I see around me ... that children are assigned the race of their fathers.

For instance, no one doubts that Michael Jackson was black, ... and noone would claim that his children are.

In truth, we judge mostly by sight. FWIW, for most, if you look black ... you are black, ... if you look white, you are white.

Once again, I think that we are too caught up in the codifying. If we could just see each other as people, a lot of these problems would go away ...
 
  • Winner
Reactions: NerdGirl
Upvote 0

Hammster

Psalm 144:1
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Apr 5, 2007
140,187
25,222
55
New Jerusalem
Visit site
✟1,728,699.00
Country
United States
Faith
Reformed
Marital Status
Married
The Constitution guarantees liberty to all US citizens.

To the extent that some groups are over incarcerated, ... their liberty is impaired ...
Only if they are innocent.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: NerdGirl
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Hammster

Psalm 144:1
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Apr 5, 2007
140,187
25,222
55
New Jerusalem
Visit site
✟1,728,699.00
Country
United States
Faith
Reformed
Marital Status
Married
Innocent of what ?

Innocent of all ???
In most cases, folks in prison are guilty of a crime. So the only way someone in prison can have their liberties unjustly taken from them is if they were innocent of the crimes they were accused of.
 
Upvote 0

Ken-1122

Newbie
Jan 30, 2011
13,574
1,790
✟225,690.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
The Constitution guarantees liberty to all US citizens.

To the extent that some groups are over incarcerated, ... their liberty is impaired ...
Obviously men are over incarcerated (when compared to women) but this group you speak of are responsible for making up most of the laws, and running the country! So how do you equate the fact that they are over incarcerated with their liberty being impaired? Consider the possibility that over incarcerated does not equal impaired liberty.
 
Upvote 0

Ken-1122

Newbie
Jan 30, 2011
13,574
1,790
✟225,690.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Official doesn't have to mean codified into law. It can simply reflect a fairly universal standard.
An official US position is one that is recognized by the US government. Unless you can name at least one federal government entity that recognizes the one drop rule, your argument fails.

I think that the thread consensus has been that this was true at some time in US history, ... and that it was codified in some US (state, local, etc.) law.

That any other standard prevailed in other areas of the US was not known to me, although I would assert that it doesn't ring true with the reality I see around me ... that children are assigned the race of their fathers.

For instance, no one doubts that Michael Jackson was black, ... and noone would claim that his children are.
I don't think anybody would claim Michael Jackson actually fathered those children either! (but that's a different conversation)

In truth, we judge mostly by sight. FWIW, for most, if you look black ... you are black, ... if you look white, you are white.
I was referring to what they are called upon birth. Once born and you get old enough, you can claim to be anything you wanna be! Heck; we got people with vagina's and Uteruses claiming to be men! Once you get old enough you can call yourself anything want and people will respect it.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

A_Thinker

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Apr 23, 2004
11,911
9,064
Midwest
✟953,784.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
In most cases, folks in prison are guilty of a crime. So the only way someone in prison can have their liberties unjustly taken from them is if they were innocent of the crimes they were accused of.
If some groups are treated more harshly in sentencing then other groups, that will result in disparities ...

From ... https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208129.pdf

Results: Eighty-five studies meeting our stated eligibility criteria were located. Analysis of these data reveal that, after taking into account defendant criminal history and current offense seriousness, African-Americans and Latinos were generally sentenced more harshly than whites.
...

Conclusions: Overall, these findings call into question the so-called “no discrimination thesis.” These findings suggest that policy-makers need to re-evaluate sentencing practices, especially in regards to drug offenses and the decision to incarcerate.
 
Upvote 0