Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

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Hi Thera, nice to meet you. Some comments provided below for your consideration.
Wasn't circumcision greater than the ten commandments, because the Sabbath could be broken to perform a circumcision, if it fell on the eighth day after a male was born.
John 7:22-23 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
The Mosaic law of circumcision was older then Moses and given to Abraham *Genesis 17:10-11. It was a physical shadow law of the promise of a new heart to love in both the old *Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 10:30; Jeremiah 4:4 and new covenant *Romans 2:28-29; Hebrews 8:10-12. The physical practice of the old covenant was to be done on the 8th day after a child was born *Genesis 17:10; Luke 1:59. Sometimes this would fall on the seventh day Sabbath. JESUS is saying that in John 7:22-23 that is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath not that circumcision is greater than the Sabbath.
For those who argue only the ritual laws were done away with and the moral ones left, what defines ritual and moral? Yes, I agree that the Sabbath can be a moral law, because it provides everyone with a day of rest. But it also can be a ritual law, because it falls on the Sabbath day. In the same way, even circumcision might be seen as both a ritual law (e.g. performed as a religious rite), and a moral law (e.g. for those who believe it is healthier, better for the health of a future wife, etc.)
The answer to your question here is LOVE! Gods' 10 commandments show our duty of LOVE to both God and man and it is why JESUS says "ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS of LOVE to God and man HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. Here JESUS is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. You may also want to look at what Paul and James say on the same subject as JESUS in Romans 13:8-10; Hebrews 8:10-12 and James 2:8-12 as Love to God and man is expressed through obedience to Gods' law. We do not keep God's commandments to be saved but because we love God and are saved.

God bless.
 
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Hi there LoveGodsWord, Happy Sabbath to you and yours.

May I ask what translation of Heb 4:9 is that.
Hi HIM, Happy Sabbath! No problem, Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I believe this translation of the Greek is the most accurate. I can provide the supporting Greek proof as to why if your interested. The other translations of that use "There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God" are also equally accurate in the Greek.
 
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A more accurate question for you: what spirit would lead someone to transgress any one of God's 613 commandments?

Or better yet: what spirit would lead someone to transgress any one of God's OT 613 commandments and NT 1050 commandments?



Of course not. The Bible teaches exactly the opposite, that the Holy Spirit will lead you to fulfill God's will for your life. Therefore, if Sabbath keeping is part of God's will, you should expect that in a Holy Spirit led revival people will be led en masse to keep the Sabbath. However, we fail to see that in most revivals.

Check out this question: How do seventh day Sabbatarians explain the lack of Sabbath observing following Spirit led revivals?

Also check out this thread: Any Holy Spirit Revival leading multitudes to Sabbath observance?

The God of the Bible never gave a single human being 613 laws to obey. I don’t what god you are speaking about. I was referring to the God of the Bible.

Where did you get the teaching that The God of the Bible, who came to earth in the Person of Jesus, commanded men to keep 613 laws?
 
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Of course not. The Bible teaches exactly the opposite, that the Holy Spirit will lead you to fulfill God's will for your life. Therefore, if Sabbath keeping is part of God's will, you should expect that in a Holy Spirit led revival people will be led en masse to keep the Sabbath. However, we fail to see that in most revivals.

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The Bible is completely full of examples of religions and religious men who call the God of the Bible their God, but don’t trust His instructions.

According to Paul the Law and Prophets are examples for us, written specifically for our admonition. One such story is about Caleb. He trusted Gods Word even though the religious masses surrounding him did not.
Shall we place our faith in the teaching of the religions we are born into?

or shall we place our Faith in the Word of God which became Flesh, even if “many” religious men don’t?
 
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Hi HIM, Happy Sabbath! No problem, Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I believe this translation of the Greek is the most accurate. I can provide the supporting Greek proof as to why if your interested. The other translations of that use "There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God" are also equally accurate in the Greek.
Thank you. I had that on e-sword a few years ago. With it came a lexicon so I could look up the words in Aramaic. My computer crashed and I lost it. It was one of the few I paid for and I can't get it back. I would like to have both the Bible and the Lexicon again. I would also like to have the Latin Vulgate with a Lexicon also. But I never seen a Lexicon for the Vulgate. I think I know why too....

I am familiar with the Greek word Sabbatismos. But please share any info you might have. Thanks in advance.
 
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Thank you. I had that on e-sword a few years ago. With it came a lexicon so I could look up the words in Aramaic. My computer crashed and I lost it. It was one of the few I paid for and I can't get it back. I would like to have both the Bible and the Lexicon again. I would also like to have the Latin Vulgate with a Lexicon also. But I never seen a Lexicon for the Vulgate. I think I know why too....

I am familiar with the Greek word Sabbatismos. But please share any info you might have. Thanks in advance.

Can add some more perhaps latter as I need to get ready to go out right now, but this will do for now...

The Aramiac rendering I believe that is most accurate to the original Greek.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismos means “a keeping of the Sabbath (noun).” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.” Sabbatizo is the verb form of sabbatismos

GREEK INTERLINEAR
HEBREWS 4:9 άρα (Then) απολείπεται (there is left) σαββατισμός (a Sabbath keeping) τω (to the) λαώ (people) του θεού (of God)

STRONGS LEXICON
So ἄρα (ara) Conjunction Strong's Greek 686: Then, therefore, since. Probably from airo; a particle denoting an inference more or less decisive.
there remains ἀπολείπεται (apoleipetai) Verb - Present Indicative Middle or Passive - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 620: From apo and leipo; to leave behind; by implication, to forsake. a Sabbath rest σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos) Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity. for the τῷ () Article - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. people λαῷ (laō) Noun - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2992: Apparently a primary word; a people. of God. Θεοῦ (Theou) Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest Definition: a sabbath rest Usage (DOING): a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

BDAG
σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ (σαββατίζω; Plut., Mor. 166a cj.; Just., D. 23, 3) sabbath rest, sabbath observance fig. Hb 4:9 a special period of rest for God’s people modeled after the traditional sabbath (CBarrett, CHDodd Festschr. ’56, 371f [eschat.]).—S. on κατάπαυσις HWeiss, CBQ 58, ’96, 674–89. M-M. TW.

ENGLISHMAN'S CONCORDANCE
Hebrews 4:9 N-NMS GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people KJV: therefore a rest to the people INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Resting therefore is how the sabbath is kept. Have lots more tracing this right back to the Hebrew. If you would like it let me know.

God bless
 
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A little more before having to leave....

HEBREWS 4:9 [9],THERE REMAINS THEN A SABBATH REST (σαββατισμός sabbatismos) FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD

The translation for "Keeping Sabbath" comes from the Greek word that is used in Hebrews 4:9, σαββατισμός, pronounced sabbatismos, which is a noun form that means Sabbath rest, Sabbath (keeping) observance (Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).

This definition of the Greek word σαββατισμός sabbatismos is confirmed by other historical works: The words 'keeping sabbath' or sabbath rest is translated from the GK noun sabbatismos, [and is] a unique word in the NT.

This term appears also in Plutarch (Superset. 3 [Moralia 166a]) for sabbath observance or keeping, and in four post-canonical Christian writings which are not dependent on Heb. 4:9 (The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 5, p. 856).

The Greek word, σαββατισμός sabbatismos, is a noun. The verb form of the word is σαββατίζω sabbatizo, which means to keep the Sabbath (Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).

This definition of σαββατίζω Sabbatizo is confirmed by its use in the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Old Testament which dates from third century BC. It is called the Septuagint, meaning Seventy because the first five books were translated by seventy scholars who were Greek-speaking Jews in Alexandria, Egypt. Jews used the Septuagint in synagogues throughout the Roman empire, and by the Greek-speaking Jewish and Gentile coverts in the early New Testament church. The apostle Paul quotes extensively from the Septuagint in his epistle to the Hebrews. When Paul used the Greek word σαββατισμός sabbatismos in Hebrews 4:9, he knew that the meaning of this word was well known to the Greek-speaking believers of that day. The verb form σαββατίζω, sabbatizo was used in the Septuagint which was as familiar to the Greek-speaking Jews and Gentiles of New Testament times as the King James Bible is to Christians today.

The use of the verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo in Leviticus 23:32 in the Septuagint leaves no room to mistake its meaning. The Greek English Lexicon of the Septuagint defines σαββατίζω sabbatizo as to keep sabbath, to rest (Lust, Eynikel, Hauspie). The English translation of this verse in the Septuagint reads: It [the Day of Atonement] shall be a holy sabbath [literally, a Sabbath of Sabbaths] to you; and ye shall humble your souls, from the ninth day of the month: from evening to evening shall ye keep your sabbaths (The Septuagint With the Apocrypha, Brenton).

The phrase shall ye keep your sabbaths is translated from the Greek phrase σαββατιείτε τα σάββατα sabbatieite ta sabbata, which literally means, You shall sabbathize the Sabbaths. The form of the Greek verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo is the second person plural σαββατιείτε sabbatieite, which means, ye shall keep. Since the verb sabbathize, means to keep the Sabbath, this verb is a special verb that also relates to and defines Sabbath-keeping, for God’s command for the land Sabbath every seven years. In the entire Septuagint, the verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo is never used to define the keeping of anything else. Rather, it is always used in relation to Sabbath-keeping and Sabbath-keeping only. In keeping with this definition, the KJV translates σαββατιείτε sabbatieite, this way: shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

There is no question that the Greek verb σαββατίζω sabbatizo in Leviticus 23:32 is specifically referring to Sabbath observance. This meaning applies equally to the noun form σαββατισμός sabbatismos, which we find in Paul’s epistle to Hebrews. The fact that Paul used the Septuagint translation in this epistle confirms that the meaning word σαββατισμός sabbatismos, in Hebrews 4:9, is in complete accord with the meaning of σαββατιείτε τα σάββατα sabbatieite ta sabbata, in Leviticus 23:32. Clearly Paul is upholding the observance of the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week.

And there you have it. Clearly, the Sabbath is still very much valid today, and to say that we no longer have to keep it holy, because Jesus is our Sabbath rest, is dangerous and foolish and is simply not biblical as the only definition of God's 4th commandment "SABBATH" is "THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK" *Exodus 20:10; Matthew 12:8.
 
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Gods Spirit!
That's a pretty strong statement. Let's see if you can meet the burden of proof for that claim.

Why do you follow the lists of men and not the Word of God?
You may not agree with the exact numbering (gosh, people don't even agree in the numbering of the Decalogue), but the fact that those 613 commandments are part of the Old Testament and were commanded by God is undeniable.

Of the 613 commandments. Does God's Spirit lead you to keep the following? If not, why not?

301. To build a Sanctuary (Holy Temple)? --Exodus 25:8
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589. The High Priest must not enter under the same roof as a corpse?—Leviticus 21:11

No, to date the Holy Spirit has never led me to keep those 68 commandments you just listed. Why not? I don't know. I can't read the Holy Spirit's mind.

Could have added more here but got tired.
That's not my problem. You only listed 68 of the 613 commandments. There are 545 commandments you have not addressed yet. For example, what about this one:

Leviticus 18:23
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

Do you break this commandment?

Does God's Spirit lead you to break any of the above?
Any of the 68 commandments you listed? As I said before, I've never felt led by the Holy Spirit to proactively keep those commandments. In fact, I was totally unware of them, they were not even in my mind.

If not why not?
I don't know. I can't read the Holy Spirit's mind.

Your posting questions on shadows.
Three things:
1) You only listed 68 commandments, you still have to address the other 545.
2) If they are shadows for you, in particular Leviticus 18:23 is also a shadow. Should I conclude from this that you morally support bestialism?
3) You haven't provided a single evidence that each and every one of the 603 non-decalogue commandments from the OT is "a shadow" as you claim them to be.

Where does it say in Romans 14:5-7 that the topic of conversation is the Sabbath?
The topic of conversation subsumes the Sabbath. Verses 5 and 6 say (NIV):
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Keeping a literal seventh-day Sabbatarian practice is by definition an instance/example of regarding one day as special/sacred. Verses 5 and 6 provide a general advice. Sabbath keeping is a particular instance and example where that advice applies by definition.

Where does it say in Colossians 2:14-17 it is talking about God's 4th commandment and not the sabbaths in the feast days?
Where does it say in Colossians 2:14-17 that Paul is making a special distinction among the different sabbaths?

Your promoting man made teachings and traditions that are not biblical
The commandments are right there in the Bible my friend.

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished [...]
The Sabbath was commanded to the Israelites only as a sign of the old covenant (Exodus 31:12-17), and the old covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:6-13). If something is intended as a sign of a covenant, but the covenant becomes obsolete, it completely stands to reason that such a sign is obsolete also.

[...] and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
No one is claiming that. At least I haven't.

Did you notice that in the 1050 man-made interpreted list you provided it is missing another commandment?
HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
Two things:

1) Other translations say Sabbath rest, why cherry pick that particular translation?

2) The very same "Aramaic Bible in Plain English" you are quoting says that God's rest is no longer the seventh day, but today:

1Let us fear, therefore, lest, while The Promise of entering into his rest stands, any of you should be found to come short of entering. 2For we also were evangelized as they were, but the word did not benefit those who heard, because it was not joined with faith by those who heard it.
3But we who believe enter into rest, but just as he said, "As I swore in my anger, they shall not enter my rest." For behold, the works of God have existed from the foundation of the world, 4According to what he said about the Sabbath*: "God rested on the seventh day from all his works." 5And here again he said: "They shall not enter my rest." 6Because, therefore, there has been an opportunity for each person to enter and those who were first evangelized did not enter, in that they were not persuaded, 7Again he appointed another day, after much time, just as it is written above that David said, "Today, if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts." 8For if Yeshua, son of Nun*, had given them rest, he would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.* 10For whoever enters his rest has rested from his works as God has from his own. 11Let us take pains, therefore, to enter that rest, lest we fall in the manner of those who were not persuaded.
From the text we observe that:
1) The Israelites never truly entered into God's rest.
2) Christians are promised to enter into God's rest.
3) The text clearly says that there is another day: today. God's rest is today, not each seventh day.

Also, I recommend you to watch these videos:

Zac Poonen - Do You Still Have to Keep the Sabbath Day? | New 2015

7. The New-Covenant Sabbath - Zac Poonen

Which one of Gods 10 commandments does God's Spirit lead us to break? God's Spirit does not lead anyone to break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments according to the scriptures.

John 5:17-18
17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

In the new covenant the purpose of God's 10 commandments have the same role they always have and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to the God's Word (not mine) if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4.

None of those passages says "10 commandments". Again, there are 613 commandments in the OT and easily more than 1000 in the NT.
 
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The God of the Bible never gave a single human being 613 laws to obey. I don’t what god you are speaking about. I was referring to the God of the Bible.

Where did you get the teaching that The God of the Bible, who came to earth in the Person of Jesus, commanded men to keep 613 laws?

Those commandments were given by God and can be found in the Old Testament. You can check the biblical support for each commandment on this site.
 
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Those commandments were given by God and can be found in the Old Testament. You can check the biblical support for each commandment on this site.

I have seen this site. It is a very deceptive.

Its like posting a speed limit “thou shall drive no faster than 55.”

Then going on “ thou shall not drive 60. Thou shall not drive 65. Thou shall not drive 70. Thou shall not drive 75.

And then claiming there are 5 laws to obey. I hope you might reconsider and not be tricked by this “other voice” in the garden.

The purpose of the whole “God placed 613 laws on the necks of Israelites” lie is to further the popular religious philosophy that God showed His power to Israel in Egypt in order to gain their trust, then again at the Red Sea, and they trusted Him and followed Him across the sea only to be tortured by God placing burdensome, unjust, uncountable laws impossible to follow, then God slaughtered most of them when they didn’t keep them.

So Jesus had to come and save men, not from their own stubborn, stiff necked, prideful ways, but from the tyrant God who lied to Israel when He said His Laws were not only obeyable, but were written for “Their sake’s no doubt”, as Paul teaches

So again, Caleb Or Zacharias was not given 613 laws to obey. This is the Biblical truth. I wish religious men would stop implying such things about Jesus God and my God. It is simply untrue.
 
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That's a pretty strong statement. Let's see if you can meet the burden of proof for that claim. You may not agree with the exact numbering (gosh, people don't even agree in the numbering of the Decalogue), but the fact that those 613 commandments are part of the Old Testament and were commanded by God is undeniable.
That is a pretty strong statement alrighty supported by a lot of scripture from the old and new covenant. We are in the new covenant now not the old.
No, to date the Holy Spirit has never led me to keep those 68 commandments you just listed. Why not? I don't know. I can't read the Holy Spirit's mind.
So if you do not keep any of those commandments I listed in the previous post. Did you know you can read the Holy Spirit mind through the scriptures? Why do you think that animal sacrifices were required for sin offerings to make peace and atonement with God when someone sinned in the old covenant?
That's not my problem. You only listed 68 of the 613 commandments. There are 545 commandments you have not addressed yet.
No one said it was your problem. They were posted do answer your own question you asked which was...
TruthSeek3r said: A more accurate question for you: what spirit would lead someone to transgress any one of God's 613 commandments
My response was...
LoveGodsWord wrote: Gods Spirit! Let's look at the detail of what your asking here. Why do you follow the lists of men and not the Word of God? Of the 613 commandments. Does God's Spirit lead you to keep the following? If not, why not?
Then I listed 68 commandments and scriptures as evidence to answer your question what Spirit would lead someone to transgress any one of God's 613 commandments. That is your question answered. You yourself admit in your last post that you do not keep them but you do not know why you do not keep them. At least I can tell you why I do not keep them from the scriptures. So your claims again have been proven to be false and you yourself do not keep the commandments I listed do you..
For example, what about this one: Leviticus 18:23 23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion. Do you break this commandment?
No. Not all the commandments of the old covenant are abolished are they? The question you need to consider is why do we keep some and not others.[/QUOTE]
Any of the 68 commandments you listed? As I said before, I've never felt led by the Holy Spirit to proactively keep those commandments. In fact, I was totally unware of them, they were not even in my mind.
How then can you be a teacher of the law if you do not even know what is in the law?
Three things:
1) You only listed 68 commandments, you still have to address the other 545.
2) If they are shadows for you, in particular Leviticus 18:23 is also a shadow. Should I conclude from this that you morally support bestialism?
3) You haven't provided a single evidence that each and every one of the 603 non-decalogue commandments from the OT is "a shadow" as you claim them to be.
As posted above not all the commandments in the old covenant are abolished. The question you need to consider is which ones are shadows of things to come. What are those shadows and which ones are still a requirement from God to his people. What would you consider Leviticus 18:23 a shadow of? It is not a shadow of anything dear friend and no one ever said that they were shadows to you. If I have never said all the laws of Moses are shadow laws why are you pretending I have? Your making strawman's again. It seems your lost in the shadows. Do you know the difference between God's LAW and the Shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the old covenant?
The topic of conversation subsumes the Sabbath. Verses 5 and 6 say (NIV):
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Sooooo... what your telling me here is that you have no scripture that proves that Romans 14 is even talking about God's seventh day Sabbath which is Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken... and your reading into the scripture what the scriptures are not talking about right? - Yep thought so.
Keeping a literal seventh-day Sabbatarian practice is by definition an instance/example of regarding one day as special/sacred. Verses 5 and 6 provide a general advice. Sabbath keeping is a particular instance and example where that advice applies by definition.
I see so your trying to argue that it must be talking about the Sabbath despite there is no mention of the Sabbath in all the book of Romans? That's a bold statement don't you think? Then if you actually read Romans 14 you will find that the topic of conversation was never about the Sabbath that your trying to read into it but eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over over days, not what days God esteems and not judging others on these topics. Now let's be honest dear friend you have no scripture do you?
Where does it say in Colossians 2:14-17 that Paul is making a special distinction among the different sabbaths?
Arr another easy one. The distinction is in the context of application. The context is to meat and drink in the annual feast days, new moons and sabbaths or sabbath days [plural] meaning more than one type of sabbath. You do know there are many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant right that are not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that can fall on any day of the week right? Scripture has already been shared with you in a little more detail proving this already here and here linked showing why your claims are in error. Time to dig a little deeper dear friend and turn away from the traditions and teachings of men that break the commandments of God.
The commandments are right there in the Bible my friend.
Not from the shadows of the man-made interpreted version of the 1050 you made earlier and has been demonstrated from the scriptures to be false teachings.
The Sabbath was commanded to the Israelites only as a sign of the old covenant (Exodus 31:12-17), and the old covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:6-13). If something is intended as a sign of a covenant, but the covenant becomes obsolete, it completely stands to reason that such a sign is obsolete also.
Hmmm.. Nope! There was no JEW, no ISRAEL and no MOSES when JESUS made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27. True we are in the new covenant not the old. Sadly many do not know what the old covenant was and what the new covenant is that the old points to. God's 10 commandments in the new covenant have the same role they always have and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to the God's Word (not mine) if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4. According to the scriptures all those who continue in known unrepentant sin after God gives us the knowledge of the truth and we reject God's Word in order to continue in sin will not enter into God's kingdom unless they return to God because they reject the gift of Gods' dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing and do despite to the Spirit of God's grace (read the scriptures; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; Romans 6:23)
No one is claiming that. At least I haven't.
Yet here you still are trying to argue against God's 4th commandment Sabbath of the 10 commandments while practicing Sunday worship while openly breaking Gods 4th commandment?
Two things: 1) Other translations say Sabbath rest, why cherry pick that particular translation? 2) The very same "Aramaic Bible in Plain English" you are quoting says that God's rest is no longer the seventh day, but today: 1Let us fear, therefore, lest, while The Promise of entering into his rest stands, any of you should be found to come short of entering. 2For we also were evangelized as they were, but the word did not benefit those who heard, because it was not joined with faith by those who heard it 3But we who believe enter into rest, but just as he said, "As I swore in my anger, they shall not enter my rest." For behold, the works of God have existed from the foundation of the world, 4According to what he said about the Sabbath*: "God rested on the seventh day from all his works." 5And here again he said: "They shall not enter my rest." 6Because, therefore, there has been an opportunity for each person to enter and those who were first evangelized did not enter, in that they were not persuaded, 7Again he appointed another day, after much time, just as it is written above that David said, "Today, if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts." 8For if Yeshua, son of Nun*, had given them rest, he would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.* 10For whoever enters his rest has rested from his works as God has from his own. 11Let us take pains, therefore, to enter that rest, lest we fall in the manner of those who were not persuaded.

From the text we observe that: 1) The Israelites never truly entered into God's rest. 2) Christians are promised to enter into God's rest. 3) The text clearly says that there is another day: today. God's rest is today, not each seventh day.
Nonsense. Are you not cherry picking your particular translation here. It makes no difference to the context to me if the translation reads in Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath" or "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God" both are biblical and correct in the Greek. I provided the reasoning in the Greek in the next two posts after the one I sent you to show that the Aramaic is most accurate according to the Greek. Go back and read them. Your leaving out the context again which is to God's seventh day Sabbath rest of creation in Hebrews 4:1-5. Go back and read the context.

WHAT IS HIS REST (God's) IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?

HEBREWS 4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:1-5

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD [the GOSPEL] enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do not enter into that rest.

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11], Let us labor therefore to enter that rest, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

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The Aramaic translation says in HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

Most of the other translations use...

HEBREWS 4:9 THERE REMAINS A SABBATH REST TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD (also good)

Which ever translation you want to use whether Greek of Aramaic it still works out the same. "There still remains a Sabbath rest (Sabbatismos is the verbal noun for keeping the Sabbath). You were provided the Greek earlier here and here linked that proves your claims to be false.

LoveGodsWord said: Which one of Gods 10 commandments does God's Spirit lead us to break? God's Spirit does not lead anyone to break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments according to the scriptures.
Your response here...
John 5:17-18 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
I see so your interpretation of the above scripture now is that JESUS was a sinner? Goodness what hope is there for all mankind. Perhaps you need to think that one through a bit further and read Hebrews 4:15; Hebews 9:28 which disagree with your interpretation of John 5:17-18.

Also, I recommend you to watch these videos: Zac Poonen - Do You Still Have to Keep the Sabbath Day? | New 2015 7. The New-Covenant Sabbath - None of those passages says "10 commandments". Again, there are 613 commandments in the OT and easily more than 1000 in the NT.

Hmm... nope. Your word of website is promoting false teachings that are not biblical. Perhaps you should read those scripture passages because claiming things that are not true. What do you think Romans 7:7 and James 2:10-12 is talking about? Yep the 10 commandments. As is 1 John 3:4.

Here let me help the discussion with another helpful question and scripture and some hints along the way to provide the answers. How many commandments are there in Gods 10 commandments that were spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone *Exodus 32:16? Was it 9 or 10, 613 or 1050? Answers to this question can be found here for those interested; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4

Hope this is helpful.
 
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Did you know you can read the Holy Spirit mind through the scriptures?
Oh, so you claim to be able to read the Holy Spirit's mind through the scriptures. Awesome. Would you kindly read the equations governing Dark matter from the Holy Spirit's mind?

Why do you think that animal sacrifices were required for sin offerings to make peace and atonement with God when someone sinned in the old covenant?
Are you asking me why God established such a system for atonement of sins as opposed to any other possible system? I would have to acknowledge my ignorance on that one. What I do understand is that those animal sacrifices were evidently symbolic of the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus at the cross (Hebrews 10). But that doesn't explain the "why" of the sacrifices in the first place (I know that the "wages of sins is death", you don't need to remind of that, but that only states the rule, it doesn't explain why God designed that rule in the first place -- this is one of those topics under the "mystery" category for me).

Then I listed 68 commandments and scriptures as evidence to answer your question what Spirit would lead someone to transgress any one of God's 613 commandments. That is your question answered.
Actually you just provided an answer for @Studyman. In post #193 he said:

what spirit would lead someone to transgress any one of Gods 10 Commandments? Do you believe the Spirit of Christ would lead you into disobedience to God?

Since you acknowledge in your answer that God's Spirit can lead to the non-observance of certain OT laws, with your answer @LoveGodsWord you just showed that God's is sovereign to change the rules depending on context, season and covenants. Therefore, it shouldn't surprise you either if God is sovereign to change from a literal physical observance of the Sabbath into a spiritual observance in the sense of a spiritual Sabbath-rest into which Christians can enter. God is sovereign to do that if He wants, right?

You yourself admit in your last post that you do not keep them but you do not know why you do not keep them.
I mean, I haven't devoted much thought to those 68 specific commandments you listed in order to give you a detailed explanation of why I don't keep each one of them. Certainly the Holy Spirit has not led me to keep them, so there is that.

At least I can tell you why I do not keep them from the scriptures.
Actually you didn't, you just listed them but didn't provide an explanation for each one as to why you don't keep it. But don't worry. I get your point. Those 68 commandments are examples of certain laws that are symbolic and foreshadowing spiritual principles of the new covenant. And that's great. So once again, you agree that God is sovereign to change rules depending on context and covenant. Things that were literal, physical and symbolic in the old covenant become spiritual and gain a new meaning in the new covenant. Therefore, it shouldn't surprise you if something similar happens to the Sabbath :)

By the way, this last point I just made is eloquently explained in the following (very short) video. I invite you to watch it instead of continue dismissing it:

Zac Poonen - Do You Still Have to Keep the Sabbath Day? | New 2015

So your claims again have been proven to be false [...]
Sorry, which claim that I made are you talking about here? Which claim has been proven to be false? Honest question.

[...] and you yourself do not keep the commandments I listed do you..
Yes, we agree on that.

Not all the commandments of the old covenant are abolished are they? The question you need to consider is why do we keep some and not others.

Awesome, so finally you openly accept that there is more than just "the 10 commandments" that you keep bringing up all the time. Finally you have admitted that there is more, and that we need to be more subtle in the way we inspect each and every one of the 613 OT commandments, and that there are non-decalogue commandments that cannot be dismissed (for instance, the commandment establishing the immorality of bestialism -- which btw I commend you for not practicing).

How then can you be a teacher of the law if you do not even know what is in the law?
I never claimed to have such a status.

As posted above not all the commandments in the old covenant are abolished. The question you need to consider is which ones are shadows of things to come. What are those shadows and which ones are still a requirement from God to his people.
I agree, very good questions.

What would you consider Leviticus 18:23 a shadow of? It is not a shadow of anything dear friend and no one ever said that they were shadows to you. If I have never said all the laws of Moses are shadow laws why are you pretending I have? Your making strawman's again. It seems your lost in the shadows.
Ok, maybe I misinterpreted you on that one, but that's the impression you gave me when I presented the 613 commandments and you almost knee-jerkly reacted shouting "shadows". But it's good to know that you acknowledge the existence of grays in this matter and that we shouldn't operate in a black-or-white fashion claiming that either everything is in effect or that everything is shadow.

Do you know the difference between God's LAW and the Shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the old covenant?
Please avoid playing terminology and word games with me. Every commandment that God emits is to be obeyed. Period. And God can sovereignly keep intact, slightly modify, fully update or abolish previous commandments as well as dictate new ones if it pleases him to do so. The labels we attach to specific commandments (moral, ceremonial, civil, etc.) may have some pedagogical value but at the end of the day it is an arbitrary classification being added on top.

Sooooo... what your telling me here is that you have no scripture that proves that Romans 14 is even talking about God's seventh day Sabbath [...]

I see so your trying to argue that it must be talking about the Sabbath despite there is no mention of the Sabbath in all the book of Romans? That's a bold statement don't you think? Then if you actually read Romans 14 you will find that the topic of conversation was never about the Sabbath that your trying to read into it but eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over over days, not what days God esteems and not judging others on these topics. Now let's be honest dear friend you have no scripture do you?

You completely missed the point. Romans 14:5-6 talks a general principle: some people attribute special importance to certain days, other people don't (all days being regarded equally important), in both cases doing it for the Lord. The point is illustrated by analogy with food: some people respect certain rules regarding food for the Lord, other people don't (by the way, this reminded of Acts 10: 13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”).

So Romans 14:5-6 is basically saying: "If you regard certain days especial, no worries, do it for the Lord. If instead to you all days are equally special, no worries, do it for the Lord too". This is a general principle, and I agree with you that the word Sabbath is never mentioned. But that's the same as reading a principle about animals, and saying "hey, but elephants are never mentioned". If you have a general principle about animals, it applies to all animals, and thus there is no need to waste time enumerating each and every mammal, reptilian, etc.

Likewise, Romans 14:5-6 is teaching you a principle on how to handle the issue that some people assign special importance and sacredness to specific days, whereas other people don't. Keeping the Sabbath is a particular instance of that, so the principle applies (just like a principle about animals applies to elephants, dinosaurs and dogs without you having to go through the pain of enumerating each one of them explicitly).

[...] which is Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken
(*) Correction: 613 commandments.
(*) Clarification: subject to change / reinterpretation depending on context, season and covenant, as we previously discussed.

Then I said: Where does it say in Colossians 2:14-17 that Paul is making a special distinction among the different sabbaths? To which you replied:

Arr another easy one. The distinction is in the context of application. The context is to the the meat and drink offerings in the annual feast days, new moons and sabbath plural meaning more than one type of sabbath. You do know there are many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant right that are not God's 10 commandments that can fall on any day of the week right? Scripture has already been shared with you in a little more detail here and here linked showing why your claims are in error here. Time to dig a little deeper dear friend.

I don't have the time to reply in full detail to your links, but very quickly, two things:

1) Essentially your argument is that Paul, being an expert on the Old Testament, was borrowing OT expressions that were only addressing "ceremonial sabbaths". You never proved that though. You never proved that those verses from the Old Testament did not also include the weekly sabbaths.

2) You forgot to quote Isaiah 66:23:
23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me,declares the Lord.

Monthly new moons and weekly sabbaths, next to each other, a clear expression used in the Old Testament. Paul, a doctor of the Law, was certainly aware of that verse as well.

Not from the shadows of the man made interpreted version from the 1050 you made earlier and has been demonstrated from the scriptures to be false teachings.
I don't remember seeing you addressing each of those 1050 commandments. You only addressed the Sabbath ones, and your objections to those are still object of dispute at the moment.

Hmmm.. Nope! There was no JEW, no ISRAEL and no MOSES when JESUS made the Sabbath for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27.
The Sabbath was created in Genesis (I agree on that), but the commandment to keep it was given to Israelites only (Exodus 31:12-17). There is no evidence of anyone keeping the Sabbath prior to Moses (I'm having flashbacks of discussing this point with you before).

God's 10 commandments in the new covenant have the same role they always have and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 [...]
Now here you are making things up. None of those 3 passages ever says "10 commandments". Again, there are 613 commandments in the OT.

Yet here you still are trying to argue against God's 4th commandment Sabbath of the 10 commandments [...]
(*) Correction: of the 613 commandments.

[...] while practicing Sunday worship while openly breaking Gods 4th commandment?
Similarly, you are breaking the commandment to celebrate Rosh Chodesh the first day of each month. Doesn't this worry you?
 
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Nonsense. Are you not cherry picking your particular translation here. It make no difference to the context to me if the translation reads in Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath" or "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God" both are biblical and correct in the Greek. I provided the reasoning in the Greek in the next two posts after the one I sent you. Go back and read them. Your leaving out the context again which is to God's seventh day Sabbath rest of creation in Hebrews 4:1-5. Go back and read the context.
[... etc ...]
Your whole analysis was pretty much focused on the meaning: resting. I agree with you, the text is clearly talking about resting, and that Christians should enter into that rest. No problem.

However, what you completely ignored and failed to address (and what was the major point I made about Hebrews 4) is the day when the rest is supposed to happen.

Hebrews 4:4-10
4According to what he said about the Sabbath*: "God rested on the seventh day from all his works." 5And here again he said: "They shall not enter my rest." 6Because, therefore, there has been an opportunity for each person to enter and those who were first evangelized did not enter, in that they were not persuaded, 7Again he appointed another day, after much time, just as it is written above that David said, "Today, if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts." 8For if Yeshua, son of Nun*, had given them rest, he would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.* 10For whoever enters his rest has rested from his works as God has from his own.

The text is very clear. The Israelites (first evangelized) were given the seventh day Sabbath in the old covenant. However, they were disobedient and invalidated the covenant with God, and so they never entered into God's rest. The old covenant is now obsolete and has been replaced with a new covenant. In the new covenant, Christians are commanded to enter into God's rest (we agree on this). However, in the new covenant the day has changed. Read verses 7 and 8. The text clearly says: "another day". Which day? Today.

The Sabbath rest for Christians is today, not every seventh day.


I see so your interpretation of the above scripture now is that JESUS was a sinner? Goodness what hope is there for all mankind. Perhaps you need to think that one through a bit further and read Hebrews 4:15; Hebews 9:28 which disagree with your interpretation of John 5:17-18.
You are forgetting your own words. You yourself admitted that the Holy Spirit can lead someone to break certain OT laws. And God is sovereign to give new meaning or interpretations to His own rules depending on context, season and covenants. If the Sabbath is an inner spiritual rest, there is nothing wrong with Jesus breaking its literal, physical interpretation. He was fulfilling the spirit of the Sabbath, not the letter.

Hmm... nope. Your word of website is promoting false teachings that are not biblical. Perhaps you should read those scripture passages because claiming things that are not true. What do you think Romans 7:7 and James 2:10-12 is talking about? Yep the 10 commandments. As is 1 John 3:4.
None of those passages says "10 commandments". Again, there are 613 commandments in the OT, not 10. Or do you need me to remind you about Leviticus 18:23 and the immorality of bestialism once again?

Here let me help the discussion with another helpful question and scripture and some hints along the way to provide the answers. How many commandments are there in Gods 10 commandments that were spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone *Exodus 32:16? Was it 9 or 10, 613 or 1050? Answers to this question can be found here for those interested; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4

Of course 10, but that's because your question is a tautology. Of course if I ask you "how many dogs are 6 dogs?", the answer obviously is 6 dogs.

But again, those are not the only commandments that God gave in the OT. There are other 603 non-decalogue commandments you are ignoring. The one about inappropriate behavior with animals is one example. The two greatest commandments (love to God and love to neighbors) are other ones.
 
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Your whole analysis was pretty much focused on the meaning: resting. I agree with you, the text is clearly talking about resting, and that Christian should enter into that rest. No problem.

However, what you completely ignored and failed to address (and what was the major point I made about Hebrews 4) is the day when the rest is supposed to happen.

Hebrews 4:4-10
4According to what he said about the Sabbath*: "God rested on the seventh day from all his works." 5And here again he said: "They shall not enter my rest." 6Because, therefore, there has been an opportunity for each person to enter and those who were first evangelized did not enter, in that they were not persuaded, 7Again he appointed another day, after much time, just as it is written above that David said, "Today, if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts." 8For if Yeshua, son of Nun*, had given them rest, he would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.* 10For whoever enters his rest has rested from his works as God has from his own.

The text is very clear. The Israelites (first evangelized) were given the seventh day Sabbath in the old covenant. However, they were disobedient and invalidated the covenant with God, and so they never entered into God's rest. The old covenant is now obsolete and has been replaced with a new covenant. In the new covenant, Christians are commanded to enter into God's rest (we agree on this). However, in the new covenant the day has changed. Read verses 7 and 8. The text clearly says: "another day". Which day? Today.

The Sabbath rest for Christians is today, no every seventh day.



You are forgetting your own words. You yourself admitted that the Holy Spirit can lead someone to break certain OT laws. And God is sovereign to give new meaning or interpretations to His own rules depending on context, season and covenants. If the Sabbath is an inner spiritual rest, there is nothing wrong with Jesus breaking its literal, physical interpretation. He was fulfilling the spirit of the Sabbath, not the letter.


None of those passages says "10 commandments". Again, there are 613 commandments in the OT, not 10. Or do you need me to remind you about Leviticus 18:23 and the immorality of bestialism once again?



Of course 10, but that's because your question is a tautology. Of course if I ask you "how many dogs are 6 dogs?", the answer obviously is 6 dogs.

But again, those are not the only commandments that God gave in the OT. There are other 603 non-decalogue commandments you are ignoring. The one about inappropriate behavior with animals is one example. The two greatest commandments (love to God and love to neighbors) are other ones.
I applaud you for your understanding regarding the rest that we should enter into in which the writer of the book of Hebrew in Hebrew 4 is trying to explain...So, God rested on the seventh day after creation And we (people) will rest on day (“Today”) when we believe...As Hebrew 3 states that “We who believe enter that rest”...

So “Today” is the day we believe in God, so whatever day is that it called “today”...
 
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Oh, so you claim to be able to read the Holy Spirit's mind through the scriptures. Awesome. Would you kindly read the equations governing Dark matter from the Holy Spirit's mind?
Ok what does reading equations of governing dark matter have to do with reading the Holy Spirits mind? You do know that God's Spirit is the Spirit of the Word of God right *John 6:63; John 17:17? God's Spirit is the Spirit of the Word of God and it is through the Word of God that we can know the Holy Spirits mind.
Are you asking me why God established such a system for atonement of sins as opposed to any other possible system? I would have to acknowledge my ignorance on that one. What I do understand is that those animal sacrifices were evidently symbolic of the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus at the cross (Hebrews 10). But that doesn't explain the "why" of the sacrifices in the first place (I know that the "wages of sins is death", you don't need to remind of that, but that only states the rule, it doesn't explain why God designed that rule in the first place -- this is one of those topics under the "mystery" category for me).
No one has asked you why rules are designed. I asked you why do you think that animal sacrifices were required for sin offerings to make peace and atonement with God when someone sinned in the old covenant? You are partially correct as the Mosaic laws for remission of sins and other laws of the old covenant that are fulfilled in the new covenant were prophetic laws to teach of the coming of the Messiah, and his life and death as our atonement and sacrifice for our sins and reconciliation to God *Hebrews 10:1-17; John 1:29; John 1:36. Jesus was our perfect sacrifice the sinless lamb of God without spot of blemish. The shadow laws of the old covenant point to the coming Messiah and the life death and resurrection of JESUS as the Savior of the world and his work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary made without hands that God pitched and not man. It is good you are honest that you do not understand this topic. Are you honest enough to admit that perhaps your understanding of the scriptures is not perfect you and you may be in error? You are correct in saying that the reason for the animal sacrifices death is sin because the wages of sin is death *Romans 6:23.
Actually you just provided an answer for @Studyman. In post #193 he said:
Actually no dear friend that is not true at all. As shown in the last post God's eternal law the 10 commandments are not the same as the "shadow laws" of the old covenant which I tried to highlight to you in the last post. There of course are other laws that are laws in the book of the covenant but all these are only extensions to the 10 commandments that God has already given to define what sin is. Your mixing up the laws in shadows pointing to things to come or have come with God's eternal law that gives us the knowledge of sin and righteousness *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172.
Since you acknowledge in your answer that God's Spirit can lead to the non-observance of certain OT laws, with your answer @LoveGodsWord you just showed that God's is sovereign to change the rules depending on context, season and covenants. Therefore, it shouldn't surprise you either if God is sovereign to change from a literal physical observance of the Sabbath into a spiritual observance in the sense of a spiritual Sabbath-rest into which Christians can enter. God is sovereign to do that if He wants, right?
Actually no I acknowledged no such thing. You have only been shown that there are prophetic shadow laws that you have just acknowledged being ignorant to not knowing about. God does not make laws and then changes his mind and say ok you don't have to keep them any more. The shadow laws were prophetic pointing to things to come in the new covenant and are fulfilled in Christ and pointed to JESUS and his work in the new covenant on mans behalf and his current work on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary (see Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrew 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17). The claim that God's 4th commandment is a shadow law is a ridiculous one made by those who do not understand the old and new testament scriptures. As shown to you earlier there are indeed shadow sabbaths of the old testament in the annual feast days that are not God's 4th commandment. This has been shown to you in a detailed scripture response earlier here and here linked. Many get mixed up in the "shadows" because they do not understand the difference between God's eternal law that gives us the knowledge of what sin is in the old and new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and the prophetic shadow laws that point to things to come. It is "impossible" for Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath of the 10 commandments to be a "shadow law" of anything but here is the reasons why....

1. God's Sabbath was made "before" sin and before the laws and Gods' plan of salvation was given to all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3.

2. The Sabbath was made for mankind when mankind was in perfect harmony with their creator and sinless and walked and talked with God face to face. Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day and the Sabbath was made for mankind on the seventh day *Genesis 1:26-31; Genesis 2:1-3 and Mark 2:27 of creation where God blessed the "seventh day" of creation and made it a holy day of rest for all mankind.

3. God's Sabbath is a part of the "finished work of creation" it is day seven of a seven day week that God blessed and made a holy day of rest for all man *Genesis 2:1-3

4. God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments points "backwards" not "forwards" to things to come. For example God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments starts off as "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY" - Exodus 20:8. God's 4th commandment therefore is a "memorial" of the "finished work of creation" this is also shown when it is written " [10], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God" and also the reason for the memorial commandment that points backward to the "finished work of creation" as further evidence is given in "v11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

5. There was no JEW, there was no ISRAEL and there was no Moses when God made the "seventh" day Sabbath rest for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27. Jesus is Lord and creator of the Sabbath and he commands his people to keep it as a memorial of creation and a holy day rest and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth *Mark 2:28; Exodus 20:8-11; James 2:10-11; Hebrews 4:9

6. Shadow laws point "forward" to things to come not backwards to things completed.

7. JESUS is the Lord and creator of the Sabbath and kept it as a holy day of rest and taught us how to correctly keep the Sabbath the way he intended it to be kept.

8. The Sabbath will continue to be kept after the second coming in the new heavens and new earth. *Isaiah 66:22-23.

The above scriptural evidence is provided to prove that it is impossible and not biblical to claim that the Sabbath is a shadow of anything. God does not change his laws so that we are free to break them.
I mean, I haven't devoted much thought to those 68 specific commandments you listed in order to give you a detailed explanation of why I don't keep each one of them. Certainly the Holy Spirit has not led me to keep them, so there is that.
That is a good honest answer TS and I respect your answer. No one knows everything. Sometimes I think you would agree that God leads us to others that may understands his Word a little better to help us to have a closer walk with JESUS, would you not agree? This is where we need to be careful and prayerful and turn away from the words of men and the word of website and seek and ask JESUS for his Spirit to be our guide and teach, would you not agree? I hope and pray that you will see I am trying to point you away from the teachings and traditions of men to the Word of God alone and that you might turn away from men to seek JESUS for his Spirit to be your guide and teacher. JESUS wants to guide and teach all of us but we must turn from men and seek him for it through his Word claiming his promises.
Actually you didn't, you just listed them but didn't provide an explanation for each one as to why you don't keep it. But don't worry. I get your point. Those 68 commandments are examples of certain laws that are symbolic and foreshadowing spiritual principles of the new covenant. And that's great. So once again, you agree that God is sovereign to change rules depending on context and covenant. Things that were literal, physical and symbolic in the old covenant become spiritual and gain a new meaning in the new covenant. Therefore, it shouldn't surprise you if something similar happens to the Sabbath :)
True, I didn't because I was unsure if you wanted to know why? I have started to do so in the previous sections in this post however in our discussions on the shadow laws and God's eternal laws and their purpose in the old and new covenant and happy to show more from the scriptures if your interested? See previous section for the rest of your post here. God's eternal laws do not change they give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken or righteousness when obeyed *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119;172; 1 John 3:4.

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By the way, this last point I just made is eloquently explained in the following (very short) video. I invite you to watch it instead of continue dismissing it: Zac Poonen - Do You Still Have to Keep the Sabbath Day? | New 2015
I am sorry dear friend this is a teaching and tradition of men that seeks to break the commandments of God and is a false teachings as outlined in the scriptures already in previous posts proving that it is impossible that God's 4th commandment is a shadow of anything (see above). We need to turn away from the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God and turn to JESUS and seek him through his Word asking him to be our guide and teacher through his Spirit. We can only know God's Word as he guides us and leads us through the promises of his Word *John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27 which is a part of Gods new covenant promise to his people in Hebrews 8:11.
Awesome, so finally you openly accept that there is more than just "the 10 commandments" that you keep bringing up all the time. Finally you have admitted that there is more, and that we need to be more subtle in the way we inspect each and every one of the 613 OT commandments, and that there are non-decalogue commandments that cannot be dismissed (for instance, the commandment establishing the immorality of bestialism -- which btw I commend you for not practicing)
Actually no because I never said that there are not other commandments in the bible. I have only stated through the scriptures that Gods' 10 commandments which are his eternal laws are not the same as the "shadow laws" of things to come. That is why I have consistently stated throughout my posts your making straw-man arguments no one is making. Perhaps this was a misunderstanding on your behalf.
LoveGodsWord said: How then can you be a teacher of the law if you do not even know what is in the law?
Your response...
I never claimed such a status.
Your posts testify differently to your claims.
Ok, maybe I misinterpreted you on that one, but that's the impression you gave me when I presented the 613 commandments and you almost knee-jerkly reacted shouting "shadows". But it's good to know that you acknowledge the existence of grays in this matter and that we shouldn't operate in a black-or-white fashion claiming that either everything is in effect or that everything is shadow.
I think you are correct in saying perhaps you have misinterpreted what I have said or maybe you have a misunderstanding as I never said any such things as your claiming above. If I never said that the 613 list are shadow laws why are you pretending I am saying things I have never said again? I do not see these are grey but black and white as I study both the old and new testament scriptures asking for God's guidance of his Spirit that he may teach and guide me through his Word.
Please avoid playing terminology and word games with me. Every commandment that God emits is to be obeyed. Period. And God can sovereignly keep intact, slightly modify, fully update or abolish previous commandments as well as dictate new ones if it pleases him to do so. The labels we attach to specific commandments (moral, ceremonial, civil, etc.) may have some pedagogical value but at the end of the day it is an arbitrary classification being added on top.
I am not playing terminologies and word games with you dear friend. You have already been provided scripture evidence that the shadow laws and commandments of the old covenant are fulfilled in the new covenant in the 68 scripture references provided you from the 613 that you agree with remember? It is true that some laws in the old covenant were "shadows" fulfilled in the new. This was pointed out in detail in the previous posts through the scriptures. It is also true that some laws of the 613 were specific only to the physical nation of Israel. I did not provide this list of civil laws where I am sure I can find close to another 100 scriptures and claims. I only posted a few of the 613 in my last post as example. I am sure you are a smart guy and can understand what is being shared with you by God's grace. There is a difference between, moral (eternal), civil, ceremonial and shadow laws of things to come that fade away when the shadows are fulfilled and the new has come.
You completely missed the point. Romans 14:5-6 talks a general principle: some people attribute special importance to certain days, other people don't (all days being equally important), in both cases doing it for the Lord. The point is illustrated by analogy with food: some people respect certain rules regarding food for the Lord, other people don't (by the way, this reminded of Acts 10: 13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”).
From what I can see if we are being honest. These "general principles" are another way of saying you have no scripture to prove that Romans 14:5 is talking about Gods 4th commandment Sabbath of the 10 commandments. I asked you for scripture to prove this and you have not provided any. If we are being honest anyone reading Romans 14 without bias and trying to read the Sabbath into the scriptures when it is not talked about or once mentioned will see that Romans 14 is about eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over over days, not what days God esteems and not judging others on these topics. Now let's be honest dear friend you have no scripture to claim that Romans 14 is about the Sabbath do you? Has anyone talked to you about eating and drinking and judging you on days that men esteem over other days? We can be honest or not it is up to you. Most do not want to be honest about this subject in order to justify breaking God's commandments.
(*) Correction: 613 commandments. (*) Clarification: subject to change / reinterpretation depending on context, season and covenant, as we previously discussed.
No, the correction is needed on your behalf as shown in the last post to you when I asked you the question and provided the scriptures; How many commandments are there in Gods 10 commandments that were spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone *Exodus 32:16? Was it 9 or 10, 613 or 1050? Answers to this question can be found here for those interested; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4. Let's be honest here dear friend. These are Gods' Words not mine. Who made the ten commandments that Gods' 4th commandment is a part of that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Exodus 32:16; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7?
Then I said: Where does it say in Colossians 2:14-17 that Paul is making a special distinction among the different sabbaths? I don't have the time to reply in full detail to your links, but very quickly, two things: 1) Essentially your argument is that Paul, being an expert on the Old Testament, was borrowing OT expressions that were only addressing "ceremonial sabbaths". You never proved that. You never proved that those verses from the Old Testament did not also include the weekly sabbaths.
Well that is not true. Of course it was proven through the scriptures and you were provided the links to the scriptures already prove why your in error here. You were even shown the old testament scriptures Paul was referring to in Colossians 2:16 in those same linked posts as well as the many types of annual ceremonial sabbaths of the old covenant. I suggest you go and read those posts as they do show why your claims are in error here. As posted earlier, the distinction is in the context of application. The context is to the the meat and drink offerings in the annual feast days, new moons and sabbath plural meaning more than one type of sabbath. You do know there are many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant right that are not God's 10 commandments that can fall on any day of the week right? Scripture has already been shared with you in a little more detail here and here linked showing why your claims are in error here. Time to dig a little deeper dear friend.
2) You forgot to quote Isaiah 66:23: 23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me,declares the Lord. Monthly new moons and weekly sabbaths, next to each other, a clear expression used in the Old Testament. Paul, a doctor of the Law, was certainly aware of that verse as well.
Well thanks but I did not know I needed to bring this scripture up. It begs the question however if I did not bring it up why do you feel the need to bring it up? Thank you however for bringing this scripture up. It is just more evidence that the Sabbath will be kept after the second coming in the new heavens and new earth *Isaiah 66:23-24. As posted earlier we were discussing the "shadow sabbaths" in the annual feast days not God's 4th commandment. If Paul was discussing God's 4th commandment I am sure he would have brought it up don't you think? Can you see what you have brought up here dear friend only supports what is being shared with you?
I don't remember seeing you addressing each of those 1050 commandments. You only addressed the Sabbath ones, and your objections to those are still object of dispute at the moment.
I did not need to. I simply demonstrated that the person compiling his list put a false interpretation on Romans 14 and Colossians 2:16 that is not biblical. That makes your whole argument fall down in relation to God's 4th commandment and shows that this list is a man-made interpretation of the scriptures that is not biblical. You know what they say. You break one you break them all *James 2:10-11. Hey but this scripture is talking about God's 10 commandments not the 1050 right?
The Sabbath was created in Genesis (I agree on that), but the commandment to keep it was given to Israel only (Exodus 31:12-17). There is no evidence of anyone keeping the Sabbath prior to Moses (I'm having flash backs of discussing this point with you before).
Well that is not true dear friend and your not being honest. JESUS is my evidence and he says that the Sabbath was made for mankind and he is the Lord and creator of it in Mark 2:27-28. There was only Adam and Even when God made the Sabbath for all mankind. There was no JEW, no ISRAEL and no Moses when God made the Sabbath for man according to the scriptures. Also, as shown earlier through the 4th commandment it points backwards to the reason it was given to ISRAEL was because God made it for man at creation.
LoveGodsWord said: God's 10 commandments in the new covenant have the same role they always have and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4
Your response...
Now here you are making things up. None of those 3 passages ever says "10 commandments". Again, there are 613 commandments in the OT.
Not really dear friend your not being honest. Romans 7:7 is specifically talking about the 10 commandment even quoting Exodus 20:17 which is God's 10th commandment on "coveting." Then we have Romans 3:20 which stated that "through the law" is the knowledge of what sin is. Are you seriously trying to argue that God's 10 commandment are not a part of God's law? We can also look at 1 John 3:4 which says that "Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." Are you really trying to argue dear friend that sin is not breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments when this is the very definition of what sin is? Do you not see that God's 10 commandments is God's law? Maybe it will help if we add more scripture to help the discussion. Lets continue on from Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and add what James says as James is talking about the same subject matter as Paul and John when he says...

James 2:10-11 [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

Now what law is James specifically talking about here? Is it the ten commandment from Exodus 20:1-17 and verified in Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4? or the 613 laws of the old covenant which you already agree with me that we do not have to keep the shadow laws in the new covenant? - Think about it dear friend before you answer as your contradicting yourself here.

Sorry dear friend but this is only posted in love and as a help to you.

May you receive God's correction and be blessed.
 
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Your whole analysis was pretty much focused on the meaning: resting. I agree with you, the text is clearly talking about resting, and that Christian should enter into that rest. No problem.

However, what you completely ignored and failed to address (and what was the major point I made about Hebrews 4) is the day when the rest is supposed to happen.

Hebrews 4:4-10
4According to what he said about the Sabbath*: "God rested on the seventh day from all his works." 5And here again he said: "They shall not enter my rest." 6Because, therefore, there has been an opportunity for each person to enter and those who were first evangelized did not enter, in that they were not persuaded, 7Again he appointed another day, after much time, just as it is written above that David said, "Today, if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts." 8For if Yeshua, son of Nun*, had given them rest, he would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.* 10For whoever enters his rest has rested from his works as God has from his own.

The text is very clear. The Israelites (first evangelized) were given the seventh day Sabbath in the old covenant. However, they were disobedient and invalidated the covenant with God, and so they never entered into God's rest. The old covenant is now obsolete and has been replaced with a new covenant. In the new covenant, Christians are commanded to enter into God's rest (we agree on this). However, in the new covenant the day has changed. Read verses 7 and 8. The text clearly says: "another day". Which day? Today.

The Sabbath rest for Christians is today, no every seventh day.


You are forgetting your own words. You yourself admitted that the Holy Spirit can lead someone to break certain OT laws. And God is sovereign to give new meaning or interpretations to His own rules depending on context, season and covenants. If the Sabbath is an inner spiritual rest, there is nothing wrong with Jesus breaking its literal, physical interpretation. He was fulfilling the spirit of the Sabbath, not the letter.


None of those passages says "10 commandments". Again, there are 613 commandments in the OT, not 10. Or do you need me to remind you about Leviticus 18:23 and the immorality of bestialism once again?



Of course 10, but that's because your question is a tautology. Of course if I ask you "how many dogs are 6 dogs?", the answer obviously is 6 dogs.

But again, those are not the only commandments that God gave in the OT. There are other 603 non-decalogue commandments you are ignoring. The one about inappropriate behavior with animals is one example. The two greatest commandments (love to God and love to neighbors) are other ones.

This is just more repetition of what you have said earlier already addressed through the scriptures in earlier posts shared with you, so do not need to go through this again. If you feel I have left out something please feel free to let me know. So I will just re-post here what was provided earlier to you in relation to Hebrews 4 that proves your claims here in error together with the addition of scripture proof showing it is impossible that God's 4th commandment is a "shadow" of anything to come.

As shown elsewhere through the scriptures, it makes no difference to the context to me if the translation reads in Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath" or "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God" both are biblical and correct in the Greek. I provided the reasoning in the Greek in the next two posts after the one I sent you to show that the Aramaic is most accurate according to the Greek. Go back and read them. Your leaving out the context again which is to God's seventh day Sabbath rest of creation in Hebrews 4:1-5. Go back and read the context.

WHAT IS HIS REST (God's) IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?

HEBREWS 4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:1-5

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD [the GOSPEL] enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do not enter into that rest.

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11], Let us labor therefore to enter that rest, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

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The Aramaic translation says in HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

Most of the other translations use...

HEBREWS 4:9 THERE REMAINS A SABBATH REST TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD (also good)

Which ever translation you want to use whether Greek of Aramaic it still works out the same. "There still remains a Sabbath rest (Sabbatismos is the verbal noun for keeping the Sabbath). You were provided the Greek earlier here and here linked that proves your claims to be false.

Context matters and this is what your ignoring in your interpretation of Hebrews 4. Further evidence was also provided in further posts you have not caught up to yet evaluating the claims that God's 4th commandment is a shadow which is impossible according to the scriptures.

Many get mixed up in the "shadows" because they do not understand the difference between God's eternal law that gives us the knowledge of what sin is in the old and new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and the prophetic shadow laws that point to things to come. It is "impossible" for Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath of the 10 commandments to be a "shadow law" of anything but here is the reasons why....

1. God's Sabbath was made "before" sin and before the laws and Gods' plan of salvation was given to all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3.

2. According to the scriptures the Sabbath was made for mankind when mankind was in perfect harmony with their creator and sinless and walked and talked with God face to face. Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day and the Sabbath was made for mankind on the seventh day *Genesis 1:26-31; Genesis 2:1-3 and Mark 2:27 of creation where God blessed the "seventh day" of creation and made it a holy day of rest for all mankind.

3. God's Sabbath is a part of the "finished work of creation" it is day seven of a seven day week that God blessed and made a holy day of rest for all man *Genesis 2:1-3

4. God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments points "backwards" to the finished work of creation, not "forwards" to things to come. For example God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments starts off as "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY" (memorial - remember) - Exodus 20:8. God's 4th commandment therefore is a "memorial" of the "finished work of creation" this is also shown when it is written " [10], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God" and also the reason for the memorial commandment that points backward to the "finished work of creation" as further evidence is given in "v11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

5. There was no JEW, there was no ISRAEL and there was no Moses when God made the "seventh" day Sabbath rest for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27. Jesus is Lord and creator of the Sabbath and he commands his people to keep it as a memorial of the finished work of creation and a holy day rest and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth *Mark 2:28; Exodus 20:8-11; James 2:10-11; Hebrews 4:9

6. Shadow laws point "forward" to things to come not backwards to things completed which the Sabbath and God's 4th commandments points back to.

7. JESUS is the Lord and creator of the Sabbath and kept it as a holy day of rest and taught us how to correctly keep the Sabbath the way he intended it to be kept.

8. The Sabbath will continue to be kept after the second coming in the new heavens and new earth. *Isaiah 66:22-23.

The above scriptural evidence is provided to prove that it is impossible and not biblical to claim that the Sabbath is a shadow of anything. God does not change his laws so that we are free to break them.

Sorry dear friend it seems like God's Word disagree with you.

May you receive God's Word and be blessed, ignoring it does not make it disappear it become our judge come judgement day *John 12:47-48.
 
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I applaud you for your understanding regarding the rest that we should enter into in which the writer of the book of Hebrew in Hebrew 4 is trying to explain...So, God rested on the seventh day after creation And we (people) will rest on day (“Today”) when we believe...As Hebrew 3 states that “We who believe enter that rest”...

So “Today” is the day we believe in God, so whatever day is that it called “today”...

Nonsense. No one enters God's rest by not believing and following his Word and breaking his commandments. These are the very one that do not enter His rest. Read Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4.
 
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