How can any Christian vote for pro-abortion politicians?

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your line in the sand is abortion, perhaps others are honesty and integrity. no politician is perfect but Trump seems to be lacking grossly in Christian morals.
You are not the Apostle Peter and Trump is not Simon the Sorcerer or Orange Hitler or any such thing. He won his first term spending less than half of what his opponent did in his first term - so the Presidency was not bought.

Trump has been good to Christianity - he has (a) pushed back on political correctness - which is a tool used by the left to attack Christianity into its conformity, (b) not enforced the Johnson amendment that allows the Gov't to roll back tax exemptions for speaking politics in the pulpit, and (c) has reached out to Christian Pastors multiple times - unlike Obama who said the right clings to its Guns and its Bibles.
 
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but he is not a Christian and is using Christian values transactionally. we should be insulted by this not applauding it
Some say he is a Christian who watches Christian TV. The accusations of adultery are 15 years old and apparently repented for - having not been repeated. He is a fighter and many don't like his style - it seems to me as just return fire for the bogus accusations (AKA fake news).

I would look at Trumps policies. Are they helping or hurting Christianity in the US and internationally. If he is helping Christianity, expect the devil and all of his resources will malign him. I know some Egyptian Christians in the US that are pained for their countrymen - they see Trump as their friend. Bless you.
 
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Abortion isn't a choice; it's taking an innocent life. Abortion advocates like to fancy themselves as "pro-choice," but such a term is misleading. It wouldn't make sense if I were to say that stealing is wrong, but I would never interfere in other people's right to choose to steal, and therefore conclude that theft shouldn't be a crime.

Many verses in the Bible testify to the fact that there is life in the womb. One such verse is Luke 1:41: "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit."

How can any Christian vote for politicians who support abortion? That goes against God's teaching in the Bible not to murder (Exodus 20:13).


Can Christians still consider voting matters for politicians who is pro or against abortion ? After considering this :

"This sentence is by the decree of the angelic watchers And the decision is a command of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind, And bestows it on whom He wishes And sets over it the lowliest of men."-Daniel 4:17
 
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Abortion isn't a choice; it's taking an innocent life. Abortion advocates like to fancy themselves as "pro-choice," but such a term is misleading. It wouldn't make sense if I were to say that stealing is wrong, but I would never interfere in other people's right to choose to steal, and therefore conclude that theft shouldn't be a crime.

Many verses in the Bible testify to the fact that there is life in the womb. One such verse is Luke 1:41: "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit."

How can any Christian vote for politicians who support abortion? That goes against God's teaching in the Bible not to murder (Exodus 20:13).

It’s a meaningless distinction, whoever you vote for there is no reason to believe electing a ‘prolife’ (which has pretty limited meaning in reality) candidate will lead to fewer abortions. Statistically, well funded birth control initiatives do a better job of limiting the numbers of abortions. Making this a Christian choice is pretty disingenuous however, the bible as you know condemns all kinds of sinful behaviour. Fixating on one thing, one thing moreover that your vote will make no difference to, and trying to make it a ‘good Christian/bad Christian’ choice is shallow and wrong-headed.
 
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Some say he is a Christian who watches Christian TV. The accusations of adultery are 15 years old and apparently repented for - having not been repeated. He is a fighter and many don't like his style - it seems to me as just return fire for the bogus accusations (AKA fake news).

I would look at Trumps policies. Are they helping or hurting Christianity in the US and internationally. If he is helping Christianity, expect the devil and all of his resources will malign him. I know some Egyptian Christians in the US that are pained for their countrymen - they see Trump as their friend. Bless you.
the sum of a Christian is not about what they watch on TV. Trump seems to be about personal glory and that's it and he will say anything to make him look the best. Internationally America Christians are seen as immoral, greedy and only interested in what's best for themselves. This an identity well before Trump but Trump has manifested it to much higher levels. When I say I'm Christian internationally I typically have to say I'm not that kind of Christian, we all know what I mean and Trump doesn't help that stereotype he feeds it.
 
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The personal glory is just a game - used in Politics from antiquity. I see he shows genuine concern for others.

Americans will always be seen as immoral and greedy - especially by the Islamists who would want to nuke everyone who disagrees with them - the Palestinians have a flag depicting a nuclear blast. Nothing outside of western capitulation will satisfy the Islamic world. The truth is the Islamists have a number of far bigger problems then the West.

Ill gotten gain is bad. Profiting from hard work and calculation is the American Way and not refuted by scripture.

There are different rules for American success in Politics, Business, Personal Relationships, and Relations to God. The over-confidence game, which Trump uses, works very well for him in national Politics. The military power demonstration, which Trump also uses, works well for him internationally in a limited way. People who have visited him attest to his skill at Personal Relationships. Eventually the relations to God score will be demonstrated as Christians pray and put the future of our nation in God's hands - you are welcome to join.
 
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Trump is the first President in a very long time not to start a war as well.

Yet it makes many hate him even more.
Bush did not start a war. Terrorists flew planes into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. We lost many goof people that day.

People do not hate Trump for not starting a war. They dislike his dishonesty and history of lewd behavior. People do not like his requests to cut Social Security and Medicare.
 
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I agree, but that being the case, there's a lot of Christians out there who say that going to war is good, which means they're aren't really Christian. That's not surprising. Even in his own day, Jesus had the same problem. At one point he turned to a group of his own followers and said, "Why do you call me, 'Lord', but do not obey me"? (Luke 6:46)




Wasn't it just a few months ago that he was sending missiles into Iran to assassinate a top military commander, an action which easily could have led to war? And, even if he was sure it would not lead to war, why is he assassinating his enemies anyway? That's the exact opposite of what Jesus said to do.



What did Jesus say about how we should treat our enemies? Is he the boss, or not?
So God is against war? Tell that to the Children of Israel who were told to go to war with those in the Promised Land.

You make the mistake of saying something that God never said, nor did Jesus. Also look at how God dealt with the apostacy of Israel. He rose up Assyria and Babylon to take out the Northern and Southern kingdoms via war. That was his will, not their own.

And what of men like Hitler and Saddam, etc.? It is my belief that God will cause judgement to come to men once their sins go past a certain point, then God tolerates them no more.

And if God told you to sacrifice your son to him, would you comply or tell God that is not how things are suppose to work?

Just food for thought.
 
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Bush did not start a war. Terrorists flew planes into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. We lost many goof people that day.

People do not hate Trump for not starting a war. They dislike his dishonesty and history of lewd behavior. People do not like his requests to cut Social Security and Medicare.
Was the Iraq war over 9/11? If so, what did Iraq have to do with it?

The fact remains that Iraq was strategically significant to the US, and yes, mostly because of oil. Not only did they have oil, they were threatening other oil reserves with war and attacked one such country.

Meanwhile, the US and the UN ignored the plight of Christians in the Sudan as Muslims conducted a genocide upon them. Why, cuz they were not considered as strategically important.

What Trump has attempted to do is make the US more energy independent so that future Presidents don't feel compelled to go to war over there.
 
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The fine is for when someone accidentally causes the premature birth (Exodus 21:22). An accidental killing of someone is not punished by death in the Bible... that is reserved for intentional ones. In fact, the Israelites were commanded to set up cities where those who accidentally killed someone could flee to (Numbers 35, Joshua 20) for protection against someone who wanted to avenge the accidental death.

An accidental death called for permanent banishment to a sanctuary city. That isn't what an accidental abortion called for.
 
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Abortion isn't a choice; it's taking an innocent life. Abortion advocates like to fancy themselves as "pro-choice," but such a term is misleading. It wouldn't make sense if I were to say that stealing is wrong, but I would never interfere in other people's right to choose to steal, and therefore conclude that theft shouldn't be a crime.

Many verses in the Bible testify to the fact that there is life in the womb. One such verse is Luke 1:41: "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit."

How can any Christian vote for politicians who support abortion? That goes against God's teaching in the Bible not to murder (Exodus 20:13).
Reguardless of the legality of abortion, if a woman is forced to have one , he will drive her over the boarder , pay for it and rid himself of the burden. She would have no choice in the matter.
 
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Reguardless of the legality of abortion, if a woman is forced to have one , he will drive her over the boarder , pay for it and rid himself of the burden. She had no choice in the matter.
So which other laws on the books should be repealed on the basis that people will violate them even if they are illegal?

Breaking and entering? Arson? Speeding? Which?
 
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So which other laws on the books should be repealed on the basis that people will violate them even if they are illegal?

Breaking and entering? Arson? Speeding? Which?
Thanks for your comment however it has nothing to do with my post. I am pointing out that this woman wanted to keep her baby but was forced to have an abortion. She had no choice. Be blessed.
 
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Thanks for your comment however it has nothing to do with my post. I am pointing out that this woman wanted to keep her baby but was forced to have an abortion. She had no choice. Be blessed.
But the topic here is voting, politics, legislation.

Whether it permits abortion or outlaws it, the idea that some people will ignore or find a way to circumvent the law is not an argument for or against such a law.
 
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So which other laws on the books should be repealed on the basis that people will violate them even if they are illegal?

Breaking and entering? Arson? Speeding? Which?
More on the subject of no choice.....
Forced abortion - Wikipedia
But the topic here is voting, politics, legislation.

Whether it permits abortion or outlaws it, the idea that some people will ignore or find a way to circumvent the law is not an argument for or against such a law.
Which brings me back to my original post, no choice.
 
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So God is against war?

He's clearly against us making war. It's hard to say you love your enemy while you're warring against him.

Tell that to the Children of Israel who were told to go to war with those in the Promised Land.

Nah, no need. At that time, God was the one directing them. At this time, Jesus is the one directing us, and Jesus told us to love our enemies.

You make the mistake of saying something that God never said, nor did Jesus.

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust". Matthew 5:43-45

If you don't want to be a follower of Jesus, that's fine, but don't pretend to be his follower while also ignoring his teachings.

It is my belief that God will cause judgement to come to men once their sins go past a certain point, then God tolerates them no more.

Okay, if God chooses to do something like that, that's up to him. He's the boss. But, WE have been told to love our enemies.
 
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Abortion isn't a choice; it's taking an innocent life. Abortion advocates like to fancy themselves as "pro-choice," but such a term is misleading. It wouldn't make sense if I were to say that stealing is wrong, but I would never interfere in other people's right to choose to steal, and therefore conclude that theft shouldn't be a crime.

Many verses in the Bible testify to the fact that there is life in the womb. One such verse is Luke 1:41: "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit."

How can any Christian vote for politicians who support abortion? That goes against God's teaching in the Bible not to murder (Exodus 20:13).

Simple! by casting a ballot for them:yawn::yawn::yawn:

Seriously though? Many Christians are enthralled by wordily things and the promises of a socialistic government. They also have bought the vast majority of liberal attack philosophy against the right!!

that and about 100,000 other reasons are the reasons.
 
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Abortion isn't a choice; it's taking an innocent life. Abortion advocates like to fancy themselves as "pro-choice," but such a term is misleading. It wouldn't make sense if I were to say that stealing is wrong, but I would never interfere in other people's right to choose to steal, and therefore conclude that theft shouldn't be a crime.

Many verses in the Bible testify to the fact that there is life in the womb. One such verse is Luke 1:41: "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit."

How can any Christian vote for politicians who support abortion? That goes against God's teaching in the Bible not to murder (Exodus 20:13).

Governing a country is not only about abortion, it is just one of many issues. The problem with Christians in the US is that they have made it the ONLY issue on which one vote, meaning they allow other evils to flourish because of this one thing.
 
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