Why doesn't America's rich donate more to charity

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Whether your name is on it or not, it will always be known that your funds funded it.

Tell me this. I plan to build the RaymondG Hospital for all. Would you deem me less holy than anyone else because I want my name on it? Will I be less holy than the one who built the second hospital with a random name? Would I be better off not building the hospital at all than to build one will my name on it?

Would it be better to be grateful for the extra hospital beds than to question the motives or holiness of the one who desired to build it?
I’m just telling you what the Bible says. I provided the verse if you care to read it.
 
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I’m just telling you what the Bible says. I provided the verse if you care to read it.
You do not want me to only read the verse....you desire that I take on your interpretation of the verses as well... When I read it, I see nothing about material riches.....I see a way to enter into eternal life.

But one must take their mind off money to see this.... I would encourage you to read it again...without believing that you already know what it means.....

But dont count it all lose....I will think about stopping my plans to build the hospital while I ponder the reasons why I want my name on it.....and, consequently, hundreds die. Job well done.
 
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I appreciate the gift but recognize that it cost the wealthy quite a bit less than its face value. I'm not in awe.
I understand. You cant appreciate a one million dollar gift, until you first analyze how the giving of this gift, affected me personally. If the gift makes you richer than i am, it would be great in your eyes and a great sacrifice from me. If, however, I am still richer than you, after the gift, the gift is meaningness and undeserving of appreciation.

I understand...and you are not alone. And I find no fault in this way of living......although, I do find it unwise.
 
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It is not envy. It is based on the widow's mite parable. God appreciates the widow's mite more, too.

It's been my experience that most poor people are very generous in proportion to their income.

I know rich people who are very generous, too, but rich people have all sorts of ways to give an impressive gift with minimal impact to their bottom lines. And yes, I sometimes wonder, "Would they have given $10,000 if it really cost them $10,000 instead of $2,000?" Probably not.
 
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You do not want me to only read the verse....you desire that I take on your interpretation of the verses as well... When I read it, I see nothing about material riches.....I see a way to enter into eternal life.

Please don’t put false words in my mouth. I never said that you should adopt my interpretation although to me the words of that verse are very clear.

But one must take their mind off money to see this.... I would encourage you to read it again...without believing that you already know what it means.....

But dont count it all lose....I will think about stopping my plans to build the hospital while I ponder the reasons why I want my name on it.....and, consequently, hundreds die. Job well done.

I’m old enough that I have made a number of large donations. Not on the millions, but certainly in the thousands but my name isn’t on anything and I don’t have a problem with that.
 
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It is not envy. It is based on the widow's mite parable. God appreciates the widow's mite more, too.

It's been my experience that most poor people are very generous in proportion to their income.

I know rich people who are very generous, too, but rich people have all sorts of ways to give an impressive gift with minimal impact to their bottom lines. And yes, I sometimes wonder, "Would they have given $10,000 if it really cost them $10,000 instead of $2,000?" Probably not.
It is envy that would prevent one from feeling grateful for what they have been given. It is eny that causes us to desire to look at the contents of anothers bank account and compare it with our own, and then judge what they have given. And it is pride that causes us to not see this.....

If you give me 10k, I am grateful....whether or not it cost you 10k or 2k.....for you did not have to give it at all.

It would be wise to look within yourself to see why is it that you look down on others based on the amount of materials that they give up. Why/how is it that we can have the spirit of God, and think that someone else can have more, or give something more important than we can.....
 
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Please don’t put false words in my mouth. I never said that you should adopt my interpretation although to me the words of that verse are very clear.

As i said, you desire that I adopt the clear interpretation of this passage....and not ask God for wisdom concerning it, or take any other interpretation other than the clear literal reading.

And again, I would encourage you to look pass money, and see whether or not there could be more to this passage.

The wise are confounded, and truth revealed to babes...

I’m old enough that I have made a number of large donations.
What happened to the literal reading of the verses? They would seem to prohibit the public announcements of what one gives. I find no fault in it, however, I think it wise to keep what you give to yourself lest the people here start analyzing your bank accounts to judge whether or not what you gave should be appreciated and respected....

Not on the millions, but certainly in the thousands but my name isn’t on anything and I don’t have a problem with that.

I encourage you to dont stop now.....get into the million dollar gift business and see if you can turn down the offers to have your name on buildings. Then see what you will do when your name is placed on a building as a surprise to you in appreciation of your gift...(while those who say they are filled with love, only talk bad about you and call your gift worthless).... see how hard it is to make them feel bad for their gesture and have them take it down.... Hey, maybe I'll put your name on my next hospital extension as well, so that you, too, can feel the love of the saints. The RaymondG and Archivist wing.
Of course we will help save a few lives...but what is important to the church, is whether or not our names were displayed in the process.
 
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Perhaps the focus should be on the administrators.
That is a topic of it's own...the healthcare business.....and insurance. For now I can just build the hospitals....running them correctly is a task I'll leave for someone else to take up.

Good thing we are healed by His stripes, and have the power to lay hands on the sick and have them recover....right?
 
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Good thing we are healed by His stripes, and have the power to lay hands on the sick and have them recover....right?
Can't argue with helping the infirmed, incarcerated, the widows and orphans. Even if the motive is one of self promotion, (not that the results will even things out) but the oppressed will benefit. The motives will be dealt with by God.
 
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Can't argue with helping the infirmed, incarcerated, the widows and orphans. Even if the motive is one of self promotion, (not that the results will even things out) but the oppressed will benefit. The motives will be dealt with by God.
Motives will be dealt with by the religious as well.......just read the last few pages. The motives of those who judge the motives of others, will be dealt with by God.

But what are the motives of those who would make others feel bad about "helping the infirmed, incarcerated, the widows and orphans," just because they have more riches than they currently have?

One would think that they would try to make them feel good giving and donating, and not the opposite.
 
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If they gave too much, how could they fund their private space programs (that totally aren't compensating for anything)?
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If they gave too much, how could they fund their private space programs (that totally aren't compensating for anything)?
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What do you do with money left over after giving and bills? Do you believe you should do nothing that interest you? Should you give so that there is nothing left to do what interest you?

One of the posters stated how the rich giving millions could actually amount to giving nothing because of what is left over. So this space travel should be nothing in our eyes because it cost little compared to what they have. So why is it relevant here?
 
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One of the posters stated how the rich giving millions could actually amount to giving nothing because of what is left over.
What are they giving of themselves?

(PS Sending a phallic symbol into space with the prime objective being domination of another world and the profit it may bring, is rather telling in itself)
 
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(PS Sending a phallic symbol into space with the prime objective being domination of another world and the profit it may bring, is rather telling in itself)

There are many here who would take joy in judging, with you, others by outward appearances. I just happen to not be one of them.
 
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