Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

BNR32FAN said:

Christ was also circumcised and offered burnt sacrifices, are we to follow those examples as well? If not why?

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are we not circumcised and a living sacrifice?

don’t lose sight of the big picture...

Sacrifices and circumcision are all plan B...

PLAN A remains that are WITH Him to live His Ways as it was in the beginning which includes keeping Sabbath...as it was BEFORE this detour of sin and the need for a plan B

might we all be restored to Him and our MADE IN HIS IMAGE

HalleluYah

BNR32FAN said:

And you completely skipped my post where I said Jesus was circumcised and offered burnt offerings also. So are we to keep those as commandments as well? If not why?

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That was part of the ceremonial laws that was nailed to the cross, not Gods moral law meant to be everlasting.


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We should keep the Sabbath because it is one of the precepts of the eternal, unchangeable moral law of God, which Paul declares to be “holy,” “just,” and “good” (Romans 7:12); but we do not practice circumcision because it was one of the national rites of the Jews and part of the ceremonial law that was nailed to the cross (Colossians 2:14). “Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters” (1 Corinthians 7:18, 19).

Circumcision was part of the law of Moses, the ceremonial law God initially gave for the well-being of one to two million Jews living together in the wilderness. When did patriarch, prophet, apostle, or anybody else command any Gentile to keep the law of Moses? And when did anyone of authority command anyone to keep Sunday, or to keep no day, or to refrain from observing the seventh day?

If a command of God was observed by the Jews, does that mean it automatically does not apply to other races? The Ten Commandments are not the words of Moses but of God. The Bible says, just before quoting the Ten Commandments, “God spoke all these words.” (See Exodus 20:1–17.) The law of God applies to all the world. “We know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God” (Romans 3:19). No person is guilty “before God” unless the law applies to his case.

Furthermore, all are to be judged by the law that forbids murder and adultery. (See James 2:10–12.) This is the Ten Commandment law. But people are not judged by a law that people are under no obligation to obey. Therefore, all are under obligation to obey the Ten Commandment law, for James declares that they will be judged by it.

clefty said:

are we not circumcised and a living sacrifice?

don’t lose sight of the big picture...

Sacrifices and circumcision are all plan B...

PLAN A remains that are WITH Him to live His Ways as it was in the beginning which includes keeping Sabbath...as it was BEFORE this detour of sin and the need for a plan B

might we all be restored to Him and our MADE IN HIS IMAGE

HalleluYah

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That wasn’t the commandment. The commandment was that the foreskin must be cut away and that we offer burnt sacrifices for atonement of sin. Are you saying that God’s commandment on this has changed?

klutedavid said:

The law of Christ concerns the royal law.

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because He is king and head of a kingdom of LawFULLness

My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. (John 15:12)

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AS I HAVE LOVED YOU...His love included a seventh day of rest from six days of work...

So the matter is settled:

LOVE others AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. JUST AS.

When you love someone you won't steal from them. Thus the commandment against theft is automatically fulfilled. God will instruct you to love.

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beginning when MADE IN HIS IMAGE man’s first full day was a day or rest unearned....then demonstrated AND taught by the Lord of the Sabbath as He AFFIRMS it is for ALL and not just Jews...says so right in the living oracle presented at Sinai...to the “strangers within thy gates” THE ONLY COMMANDMENT to include those NOT of Jacob...the irony...and still you reject it...

That's incorrect. The Sabbath is a meagre one day a week rest from work.

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AS He entered His rest after six days of creation so are we to...

A meagre ONE day...work seven continuously and then come back to me...lol

A Christian is a Christian 24/7.

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He was Lord of the Sabbath 24/7 Son of Yah 24/7 and through suffering learned His obedience...to His Father’s Will...

If I obey the commandments that Christ gave then I do know Him.

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IF...yup...IF indeed you do...and calling a living oracle that describes Him His way His kingdom its people their way a meagre one day of rest reveals you do NOT know Him because you DO NOT obey ALL He commanded us to observe...as taught from Moses’ seat...

1 John 2:3

By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

Your fruits and teaching reveals otherwise...

Of course it's possible to fall away.

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because we step out from under His umbrella...His way and get wet as the rain continues...the law remains to condemn

The requirement of the law is fulfilled by loving others. How you treat others is what the law is all about. Loving others is not achieved by struggling to not covet an oxen.

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of course it is...my neighbor loves me BECAUSE he overcomes his coveting of my oxen...wow...you miss so much

Love is a gift of the Holy Spirit and you practice loving others constantly. The law tells you what love is not.

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Sabbath is HOW we love

as an employer do you expect 7 days of work? From your animals? Sabbath is the first example of GRACE GIVEN MAN even prior his needing it...

Go work 7 days a week and understand that a day of rest is exactly that grace...a gift...an unalienable right given to us by our Creator...

The law saved no one and only condemns.

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your attitude towards His is NOT like David’s or Paul’s...wow...just wow...

Jesus conquered sin and death and there is now no condemnation in Christ Jesus. Christians cannot sin and are not judged either.

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Christians cannot sin? Oh my...it gets worse with you...

Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF Yahushua...ALL not 9/10ths and what faith was He? Buddhist? Muslim? Hindu? Catholic? Protestant? Jewish? Is a Love as they do enough?

IF you love AS HE LOVED US...you fulfill the Law...and His love did not include Sunday Ham dinners...

Sabbath remains for His people...and its restoration to “His will be done on earth as it is in heaven” will be final...from Sabbath to Sabbath...ALL... Isaiah 66:22-23

imge said:

That was part of the ceremonial laws that was nailed to the cross, not Gods moral law meant to be everlasting.


If you keep the Sabbath, shouldn't you be circumcised too? | Sabbath Truth

We should keep the Sabbath because it is one of the precepts of the eternal, unchangeable moral law of God, which Paul declares to be “holy,” “just,” and “good” (Romans 7:12); but we do not practice circumcision because it was one of the national rites of the Jews and part of the ceremonial law that was nailed to the cross (Colossians 2:14). “Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters” (1 Corinthians 7:18, 19).

Circumcision was part of the law of Moses, the ceremonial law God initially gave for the well-being of one to two million Jews living together in the wilderness. When did patriarch, prophet, apostle, or anybody else command any Gentile to keep the law of Moses? And when did anyone of authority command anyone to keep Sunday, or to keep no day, or to refrain from observing the seventh day?

If a command of God was observed by the Jews, does that mean it automatically does not apply to other races? The Ten Commandments are not the words of Moses but of God. The Bible says, just before quoting the Ten Commandments, “God spoke all these words.” (See Exodus 20:1–17.) The law of God applies to all the world. “We know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God” (Romans 3:19). No person is guilty “before God” unless the law applies to his case.

Furthermore, all are to be judged by the law that forbids murder and adultery. (See James 2:10–12.) This is the Ten Commandment law. But people are not judged by a law that people are under no obligation to obey. Therefore, all are under obligation to obey the Ten Commandment law, for James declares that they will be judged by it.

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Circumcision was a commandment if God. Now we’re separating “moral commandments” for God’s commandments? That seems convenient seeing that you don’t observe these particular commandments yet you insist that keeping God’s commandments are necessary for salvation. You say the 10 commandments are not the laws of Moses but the laws of God and yet it was a God Himself, Not Moses, that commanded that Jews and any foreigners living among them must be circumcised. It was also God who commanded the burnt offerings and He was very particular about the qualifications and ritual ceremony that must be observed. Moses didn’t makes this commandment or these stipulations. Both circumcision and burnt offerings were commandments of God, not Moses. Moses only relayed the message.

imge said:

That was part of the ceremonial laws that was nailed to the cross, not Gods moral law meant to be everlasting.


If you keep the Sabbath, shouldn't you be circumcised too? | Sabbath Truth

We should keep the Sabbath because it is one of the precepts of the eternal, unchangeable moral law of God, which Paul declares to be “holy,” “just,” and “good” (Romans 7:12); but we do not practice circumcision because it was one of the national rites of the Jews and part of the ceremonial law that was nailed to the cross (Colossians 2:14). “Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters” (1 Corinthians 7:18, 19).

Circumcision was part of the law of Moses, the ceremonial law God initially gave for the well-being of one to two million Jews living together in the wilderness. When did patriarch, prophet, apostle, or anybody else command any Gentile to keep the law of Moses? And when did anyone of authority command anyone to keep Sunday, or to keep no day, or to refrain from observing the seventh day?

If a command of God was observed by the Jews, does that mean it automatically does not apply to other races? The Ten Commandments are not the words of Moses but of God. The Bible says, just before quoting the Ten Commandments, “God spoke all these words.” (See Exodus 20:1–17.) The law of God applies to all the world. “We know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God” (Romans 3:19). No person is guilty “before God” unless the law applies to his case.

Furthermore, all are to be judged by the law that forbids murder and adultery. (See James 2:10–12.) This is the Ten Commandment law. But people are not judged by a law that people are under no obligation to obey. Therefore, all are under obligation to obey the Ten Commandment law, for James declares that they will be judged by it.

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Quick question, do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

BNR32FAN said:

Quick question, do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

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Of course, do you?

BNR32FAN said:

Circumcision was a commandment if God. Now we’re separating “moral commandments” for God’s commandments? That seems convenient seeing that you don’t observe these particular commandments yet you insist that keeping God’s commandments are necessary for salvation. You say the 10 commandments are not the laws of Moses but the laws of God and yet it was a God Himself, Not Moses, that commanded that Jews and any foreigners living among them must be circumcised. It was also God who commanded the burnt offerings and He was very particular about the qualifications and ritual ceremony that must be observed. Moses didn’t makes this commandment or these stipulations. Both circumcision and burnt offerings were commandments of God, not Moses. Moses only relayed the message.

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I'm not separating Gods law, He did. God wrote with His finger the 10 commandments on stone. Why would you want to break any of these laws? Do you think its okay to murder? lie? cheat? steal? These are all Gods laws. Why would you think the 4th commandment to be any different.

Gods law is His moral law. They are not separate "the 10 commandments" The first 4 commandments written on one tablet on how we should honor, obey and love God. The last 6 on another tablet how we should treat and love one another.

BNR32FAN said:

Circumcision was a commandment if God. Now we’re separating “moral commandments” for God’s commandments? That seems convenient seeing that you don’t observe these particular commandments yet you insist that keeping God’s commandments are necessary for salvation. You say the 10 commandments are not the laws of Moses but the laws of God and yet it was a God Himself, Not Moses, that commanded that Jews and any foreigners living among them must be circumcised. It was also God who commanded the burnt offerings and He was very particular about the qualifications and ritual ceremony that must be observed. Moses didn’t makes this commandment or these stipulations. Both circumcision and burnt offerings were commandments of God, not Moses. Moses only relayed the message.

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Yes, and the law of Moses was meant for those times, but were nailed at the cross when Jesus died to save us from our sins. He did not die so we should continue to sin. Do you really think Jesus wants you to murder? Your logic is not making sense. You are arguing if we don't keep all laws (ceremonial, ordinances etc. meant for those times) than we shouldn't keep any including God's law which was separate written in stone by the finger of God. So you think its okay to murder? That's no longer Gods law?

Please note in Exodus 20 the second commandment

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

God establishes His law in the commandments as My commandments.

Also note who does God show mercy to (which there is similar scriptures throughout the Bible, it must be important)

6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Lots of scripture on love and keeping God's commandants. If I had more time I would quote them. Some in Revelations right before the second coming. The commandments are obviously very important to our mighty, loving Savior.

imge said:

Of course, do you?

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Yes I do. How do you know it was those books that were inspired by God? Are you aware that the very same men who canonized the Bible are the very same men at the very same council who declared it is acceptable to God to worship on Sunday? Both of these took place at the council of Nicea. So these men were inspired by the Holy Spirit enough to determine which books are and aren’t God’s word but not inspired enough to declare that it is acceptable to worship on Sunday?

imge said:

I'm not separating Gods law, He did. God wrote with His finger the 10 commandments on stone. Why would you want to break any of these laws? Do you think its okay to murder? lie? cheat? steal? These are all Gods laws. Why would you think the 4th commandment to be any different.

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Because the church has declared by the guidance of the Holy Spirit that it is acceptable to worship on Sunday. The very same men who canonized the scriptures at the very same council where both of these took place at the same time. This isn’t the first time the Holy Spirit has abolished one of God’s commandments.

imge said:

I'm not separating Gods law, He did. God wrote with His finger the 10 commandments on stone. Why would you want to break any of these laws? Do you think its okay to murder? lie? cheat? steal? These are all Gods laws. Why would you think the 4th commandment to be any different.

Gods law is His moral law. They are not separate "the 10 commandments" The first 4 commandments written on one tablet on how we should honor, obey and love God. The last 6 on another tablet how we should treat and love one another.

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Keeping the Sabbath is not a moral law it’s a ritual.

BNR32FAN said:

That’s not a commandment to keep the Sabbath.

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it's an affirmation the continuance of the sabbatismos as part of what these gentiles coming INTO the family would do...to LOVE as He did...

unlike followers today...these first century gentiles WANTED to crowd synagogues on Sabbaths to hear of One resurrected to forgive ALL...see Acts 13

is WHY:

That’s the reason they must abstain from idolatry, fornication, eating what has been strangled or blood.

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but you do not mean to say these gentiles were NOT expected to:

DOST NOT worship another god
DOST NOT make images and worship them
DOST NOT take His name for naught
DOST NOT dishonor parents
DOST NOT kill,steal, lie, covet

notice I only listed 8 as it was SPECIFIC they were DOST NOT commit adultery included in sexual immorality and as already mentioned were expected to DOST hear Moses every Sabbath as confirmed and concluded by James...

ALL of this was ALREADY for those NOT of Jacob when the living oracles were received from Him at Sinai...

even the 3 dietary Levitical laws that kept clean meats clean...ONE LAW for Native and Foreigner THE SAME

or do you mean to say that pig meat with no blood in it was OK to serve at synagogue potlucks after hearing Moses taught every Sabbath?

“Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath."”
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Acts 15:19-21 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornicat | New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995) | Download The Bible App Now

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FOR MOSES indeed STILL has those who preach him every Sabbath and add to that One Hope of ISRAEL to which ALL WHOSOEVER believe will NOT perish but LIVE AS HE LIVED...everlasting and HERE first...abiding IN HIM living and LOVING AS He did...JUST AS...

His love did NOT include Sunday Ham dinners...

imge said:

Do you really think Jesus wants you to murder? Your logic is not making sense.

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Where did this come from?

imge said:

You are arguing if we don't keep all laws (ceremonial, ordinances etc. meant for those times) than we shouldn't keep any including God's law which was separate written in stone by the finger of God. So you think its okay to murder? That's no longer Gods law?

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This is a completely ridiculous and false accusation. No what’s really happening here is you are rebuking people for not keeping God’s commandments but you don’t like it when someone points out the log in your eye. You are picking and choosing which of God’s commandments you want to keep and exalting yourself above others like a Pharisee saying I keep the Sabbath because I love God and everyone else loves the darkness when what is really happening is you are not keeping His commandments. Your just pretending you do, otherwise you’d keep all of them. I believe Paul has a message for you in Galatians 5 and Romans 14.

BNR32FAN said:

Yes and Jesus never commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath.

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Pray that your flight be NOT on the Sabbath...Matt 24:20 said to His followers about FUTURE times of trouble...the ONLY living oracle He instructed prayers be said that its keeping continue...not prayers they were saved or the temple was spared but that the Sabbath be kept as "RUN TO THE HILLS!" is NOT very restful...

as it was it was years and months before every stone was toppled from the temple...plenty of time to run to the hills...NOT on the Sabbath...

"Tiberius we came all this way from ROME and the gates are locked?"

"Yes Titus they lock them on the Sabbath to keep the Christians from escaping"

"Ok...guess we will have to come back tomorrow"

LOL...

BNR32FAN said:

Actually the gentiles only need to refrain from eating meat offered to idols if they knew it was offered to an idol. If they didn’t ask about it and they didn’t know it was offered to an idol it was fine for them to eat.

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you think they were cleared to eat dog meat? certainly NOT faith does NOT! allow us unclean meats...we are to ESTABLISH the Law to lead others TO HIM...

of course our lives are NOT to cause others to stumble INTO NOT keeping His Ways...

are we to secretly reject His ways?

You insist upon the Jewish false witness that "Jesus came to change the customs Moses delivered" Acts 6:13-14 Luke was clear that Stephen did NOT preach that as He did NOT do that..."THINK NOT THAT" but instead you do...

Paul took a vow to disprove your argument that he did NOT teach or preach the Law...but you would have him LIE at his trials when he claimed he did NOTHING against the Law but according to the Way a sect which believed and worshipped the Law of their fathers Paul confessed following...

BNR32FAN said:

Keeping the Sabbath is not a moral law it’s a ritual.

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Sabbath was instituted PRIOR SIN...and as He affirmed made for ALL...not just Jews as written "the strangers within thy gates" the ONLY living oracle THAT inclusive of those NOT of Jacob...the irony...

thus Sabbath is NOT a Law as much as a description of Him His Ways...to which we will return after this detour of sin is over...

work 7 days a week or have others do the same for you and realize a day off indeed is a MORAL RIGHT and unalienable...given to us by our Creator...

no ritual needed...as it was when we were MADE IN HIS IMAGE to do AS HE DID...

BNR32FAN said:

That wasn’t the commandment. The commandment was that the foreskin must be cut away and that we offer burnt sacrifices for atonement of sin. Are you saying that God’s commandment on this has changed?

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changed back to the original you mean...with the ministration of the original High Priest?

a change of the administration of the Law does NOT mean a change of the Law...does the U S Constitution change between Presidential administrations? (well lately MAYBE...lol)

the heart was ALWAYS intended to be cut...circumcision symbolized that...

we were to submit ourselves as living sacrifices...

had that been the case prior there would not be a need for circumcision OR sacrifice...

and yet there remains the SABBATH given PRIOR the need for either...a sabbatsimos for His people...MADE IN HIS IMAGE...and FINALLY His people re-made again to those factory installed manufacturer's settings...

clefty said:

Pray that your flight be NOT on the Sabbath...Matt 24:20 said to His followers about FUTURE times of trouble...the ONLY living oracle He instructed prayers be said that its keeping continue...not prayers they were saved or the temple was spared but that the Sabbath be kept as "RUN TO THE HILLS!" is NOT very restful...

as it was it was years and months before every stone was toppled from the temple...plenty of time to run to the hills...NOT on the Sabbath...

"Tiberius we came all this way from ROME and the gates are locked?"

"Yes Titus they lock them on the Sabbath to keep the Christians from escaping"

"Ok...guess we will have to come back tomorrow"

LOL...

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Big deal Jesus mentioned the Sabbath. He didn’t say anything about it must be kept.

clefty said:

you think they were cleared to eat dog meat? certainly NOT faith does NOT! allow us unclean meats...we are to ESTABLISH the Law to lead others TO HIM...

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Just a minute ago it was all about God’s moral laws and the 10 commandments and now your saying we have to keep the dietary laws to? You can’t even keep your story straight. Your just picking and choosing to keep whatever commandments you want and ignoring the ones you don’t want to keep. And you have the audacity to point your fingers at other Christians claiming they’re not honoring God? Amazing.