Israel rabbis talking with their Messiah?

friend of said:

Doesn't Jesus return to the Mount of Olives?

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Yes that's right
Zechariah 14:4

hluke said:

Number 4, but the bible also suggests that Israel will be redeemed at his second coming

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How will God select the Israel that will be redeemed at His second coming?

1. By their DNA
2. By their talmudic religion
3. By their kosher culture
4. By their faithfulness and obedience to His Son

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jgr said:

How will God select the Israel that will be redeemed at His second coming?

1. By their DNA
2. By their talmudic religion
3. By their kosher culture
4. By their faithfulness and obedience to His Son

?

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I've answered your first question. Its my turn now.

What will God do to the Jewish people living in Israel at the time of Jesus' second coming?

1. Reveal himself as the Messiah whom they have pierced, clean them of their iniquity and redeem them
2. Cast non-believing Jews into hell for eternity and save only the Jews who believe in Jesus
3. Forget about the Jewish believers and only save the Gentiles
4. Nothing

???

friend of said:

Got this in my feed. Apparently rabbis are talking with their Messiah right now. They believe that Netanyahu is their last prime minister. And they're talking about his revealing coming. Buckle up the Rapture is near

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I like the channel of that guy. He seems pretty chill and Christ center. You should also check Israeli News Live.

Some guy sitting in a room telling us hes got heaps of info on a particular subject does not impress me one bit. Sorry.

friend of said:

Got this in my feed. Apparently rabbis are talking with their Messiah right now. They believe that Netanyahu is their last prime minister. And they're talking about his revealing coming. Buckle up the Rapture is near

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This looks like the source link:

Israeli Rabbi Says He's Already Holding Meetings With Messiah

“Another righteous rabbi said that according to the current situation in heaven, there will not be Israeli elections – rather, there will be a war,” cautioned Zisholtz. “If the elections do take place, it’s pointless since it will end like the other elections; no government will come out of it. No one will take the government away from Netanyahu.”

War is brewing in the background between Israel and Lebanon. It shaping up to be a big one when it comes.

hluke said:

I've answered your first question. Its my turn now.

What will God do to the Jewish people living in Israel at the time of Jesus' second coming?

1. Reveal himself as the Messiah whom they have pierced, clean them of their iniquity and redeem them
2. Cast non-believing Jews into hell for eternity and save only the Jews who believe in Jesus
3. Forget about the Jewish believers and only save the Gentiles
4. Nothing

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Sure. #2.

Sadly, the fate of all unbelievers, whether Jew or Gentile.

Physical DNA is irrelevant.

Only the spiritual DNA of faith and obedience comprise God's selection criteria.

And if they await the second coming for redemption, they're too late.

Because "now is the accepted time, now is the day of salvation". 2 Corinthians 6:2

friend of said:

We are truly in the last hour.

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The Same Last Hour John said He was truly in over 1900 years ago? or a different Last Hour?

1 John 2:18
Little children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

Do you know something John Didn't?
Or is your position that "this last hour we are truly in" lasts for thousands of years the same way John's Last Hour did??

Or, are you asking us not to believe John but to believe you instead?

Could it be the rabbi is more interested in maintaining a state of discord with the surrounding gentiles that face the growing peace? Is the sense of identity, the separation being threatened? Would a radical element within purposely destroy the peace as the Bible suggests?

jgr said:

How will God select the Israel that will be redeemed at His second coming?

1. By their DNA
2. By their talmudic religion
3. By their kosher culture
4. By their faithfulness and obedience to His Son

?

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Barukh HaBa B'Shem Adonai

jgr said:

How does God identify His Chosen People?

1. By their DNA
2. By their talmudic religion
3. By their kosher culture
4. By their faithfulness and obedience to His Son

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Actually the question is, "Who are those that God calls His children?"
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God

And that started in Israel.

In Jesus Gods promises which He swore by His own name to Abraham and David are fulfilled.

Matthew 24: 23 “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25 See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.

hluke said:

Yes that's right
Zechariah 14:4

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The ECF's held that the Zechariah passage was fulfilled in Christ's first advent when He actually DID set foot on the MT of Olives:

Tertullian (A.D. 145-220) wrote (barely 150 years after it happened):
“But at night He went out to the Mount of Olives. For thus had Zechariah pointed out: ‘And His feet shall stand in that day on the Mount of Olives’

Tertullian was alluding to the fact that the Olivet prophecy set the stage for the judgment-coming of Christ that would once for all break down the Jewish/Gentile division. Matthew Henry explains the theology behind the prophecy:

The partition-wall between Jew and Gentiles shall be taken away. The mountains about Jerusalem, and particularly this, signified it to be an enclosure, and that it stood in the way of those who would approach to it. Between the Gentiles and Jerusalem this mountain of Bether, of division, stood, Cant. ii. 17. But by the destruction of Jerusalem this mountain shall be made to cleave in the midst, and so the Jewish pale shall be taken down, and the church laid in common with the Gentiles, who were made one with the Jews by the breaking down of this middle wall of partition, Eph. ii. 14.8

There are no Rabbis speaking with a Messiah.

Don't hold your breath.

friend of said:

Got this in my feed. Apparently rabbis are talking with their Messiah right now. They believe that Netanyahu is their last prime minister. And they're talking about his revealing coming. Buckle up the Rapture is near

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The state of Israel is irrelevant to Christian theology. Who cares what heathen Jews think about anything? (Or heathens of any other faith) These people play no role in our faith or beliefs.

Redwingfan9 said:

The state of Israel is irrelevant to Christian theology. Who cares what heathen Jews think about anything? (Or heathens of any other faith) These people play no role in our faith or beliefs.

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So you think God dropped the House of Israel after millennia of putting up with their rebellion in favour of a religion that can't even focus on His Kingdom and adhere to it's two simple rules?

timothyu said:

So you think God dropped the House of Israel after millennia of putting up with their rebellion in favour of a religion that can't even focus on His Kingdom and adhere to it's two simple rules?

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Israel is made up of the following citizens:

(1) Jesus and his first century Jewish followers and converts (Gal 6:15-16; Phil 3:3; 1 Peter 2:9)

(2) The Old Testament believing jews and converts to the covenant (Eph 2:19-22)

(3) The gentile converts who were added in during Paul's ministry and made partakers of Israel (Eph 2:11-3:11; Col 2:24-27; Romans 11:17-23)


That is who Israel is according to the scriptures.

The Remnant of the elect Jews followed God by following Jesus and his jewish apostles. They are True Faithful Israel. Their jewish brothers who disobeyed and fought against them were cut off from among the people, as stated in Acts 3:22-24. The Rock crushed them (1 Pet 2:7-8/Mt 21:43-45), for they rejected the time of God's visitation (Luke 19:40-44). And Thomas, this is the same pattern that took place in Isaiah's day and in Elijah's day -- i.e., the REMNANT of the jews is true Israel and the rest are destroyed and do not have any heritage (Rom 9:27/Rom 11:2-5).

You seem to have replaced the remnant of The true Israel with the Unfaithful wicked ones as the true Heirs today.

In contrast to that teaching, The Israelite apostles of the Jewish Messiah say I am a Jew (Rom 2:27-29), say I am "Abraham's seed" (Rom 4:16/Gal 3:29), say I am "the peculiar people, royal priesthood, holy nation" (1 Pet 2:9-10), say I am the circumcision-less Israel of God (Gal 6:15-16), say I am "no longer a stranger but a fellow citizen" (Eph 2:19), say I was once not a people but now am the people of God (1 Pet 2:10) and say I am the circumcision (Phil 3:2-3). Each and every one of these statements takes a key identifier/distinctive of Israel and labels me with it. Meanwhile, Christ calls the disobedient genetic sons of Abraham the "sons of satan" and the "synagogue of satan" (Rev 2:9/John 8:39-47), and St. John says that those who deny the Son have no claim whatsoever to the Father (1 Jn 2:23) All of which is in direct opposition to your teaching.

You appear to count only the disobedient Jews as Israel! In your teaching, The obedient Israelites, who get baptized, somehow cease to be Israel. That's completely backwards. Completely. I hope you will someday teach the truth: namely, that the jews who refuse to get baptized get "cut off from among the people of God" (Acts 3:22-24) and cease to be "sons of Abraham." Such disobedient ones are called "sons of satan" (John 8:39-47/Rev 2:9). You appear to be turned completely around backwards with regard to this topic.

Jesus, The apostles and Mary and Joseph and their Jewish & Gentile followers are TRUE ISRAEL and the true church.

parousia70 said:

You appear to count only the disobedient Jews as Israel!

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No I count all 12 houses of the House of Israel and the branches that have been grafted. Christians, let alone Jews won't even consider the ten lost tribes when they speak of rebuilding Israel. They take the name of the lost tribes nation instead of their own of Judah but while Jesus said to take the Gospel of God's Kingdoms to all 12 nations of the House of Israel, that isn't convenient for those who wish to self justify themselves and the kingdoms of their own they are building.

timothyu said:

So you think God dropped the House of Israel after millennia of putting up with their rebellion in favour of a religion that can't even focus on His Kingdom and adhere to it's two simple rules?

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Scripture is very clear that the unbelieving Jews have been cut off. The covenant now belongs to the Christian Church. While I agree that the church has its own set of problems, that does not mean that unbeliving Isreal does not remain cut off. The only way a Jew is to be saved is if he rejects the Jewish faith and comes to faith and have union with Jesus Christ. At that point he is no longer a Jew but a Christian.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way e all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27And this is f my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.” g

28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now h receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.


Still God's Chosen people, still to be loved. God still has a plan to restore them. Its quite clear though it wont happen untill the full numbers of the gentiles.