Is the thousand years of Revelation chapter 20 symbolic?

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The text of Revelation 18:23 also says "all nations deceived".


Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


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Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


The way I tend to look at it, we know that satan is bound so that he can't continue deceiving the nations, and if something such as Revelation 18:23 can't explain why he needs to be bound to begin with, what else in the book of Revelation might explain it?
 
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Sorry, but the moment someone is born again, they are declared righteous. It has nothing to do with glorification. Perhaps you need to do a study on the Glory.
Being declared righteous is not the same thing as being righteous. It is not even the same thing as being sinless perfect. God sees you as righteous, even if you are not. And no one is. Being declared righteous is not a license to be evil or wicked either. We cannot change from this body to the incorruptible body until death.
 
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Mathew 24 fits better with Revelation 6 than 19. I hope you are not talking specifically about the cosmic signs.
Yes verses 29 and 30. Stars falling like fig leaves and all of humanity crying woe is me. God on the throne coming to earth is a one time event.
 
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The text of Revelation 18:23 also says "all nations deceived".


Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


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Satan is deceiving the whole world right now with so called science. Even the elect are decieved.
 
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The thing about Revelation that people seem to not see, is that it is the final harvest Jesus kept addressing in the Gospels. Jesus will be here for the harvest. The harvest is completed by the time Satan has any say. Yes all Adam's sinful flesh will be physically destroyed, to be raised again. Amil want this to be a time of only resurrection. Because it is the end of the church, but it is not the end of the harvest.


You lost me here, unfortunately. I'm not familiar with a view such as this, I have no clue as to how you are even arriving at these conclusions, let alone what exactly it is you are arriving at.
 
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Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


The way I tend to look at it, we know that satan is bound so that he can't continue deceiving the nations, and if something such as Revelation 18:23 can't explain why he needs to be bound to begin with, what else in the book of Revelation might explain it?


Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


Why is an angel sent down from heaven to open the bottomless pit with a key, if the pit is not locked when he comes down?


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The text of Revelation 18:23 also says "all nations deceived".


Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
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Just so you know, there is a thousand years between these two verses. That makes it kind of silly to put them together, as if they were speaking of the same thing. Did you just ignore that after the 1000 years Satan will be loosed for a season to deceive again?
 
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No, Jesus is talking to unbelievers about unbelievers. John never addresses unbelievers until the GWT. The only place this fits in Revelation is the GWT and no place else. To the church ie believers, physical death is the point where the spiritual resurrection happens with an incorruptible body. The Roman church teaches the bodily resurrection, not the Bible.
Sometimes I wonder if we are reading the same book.
 
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Just so you know, there is a thousand years between these two verses. That makes it kind of silly to put them together, as if they were speaking of the same thing. Did you just ignore that after the 1000 years Satan will be loosed for a season to deceive again?


Did you ignore an angel coming down from heaven with a key and opening the pit in chapter 9?
Why was a key needed to open the pit, if it was not locked previously?


Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


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No, it is not reacpi.. recap...

Whatever you want to call a repetition of the same thing, no - because there's no reason to assume that it's a repeat of something said earlier in different words.



We've been through this before. Revelation 18:23 is referring to a city that is destroyed by the ten kings of the beast around the time of the return of Christ or at least just before (not clear on the exact timing because the Revelation does not give the exact timing of when the ten kings of the beast attack that city - but it's after the beast ascends out of the abyss, because that much is told us).

Revelation 20 refers to something that takes place a thousand years later and is a rebellion of nations - not an attack on a city called Babylon the Great.

I really can't understand how you manage to conflate Babylon the Great being attacked by the beast with ten horns with the Gog-Magog nations attacking the camp of the saints.
It seems most readers of Revelation take little notice of the passing of time as pages are flipped or the reader goes from one chapter to another. The book of revelation covers the entire church age, then the entire 70th week, then the entire 1000 years (briefly) and then on into eternity. It is sad that some skip over the 1000 years as if it was not there.
 
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Did you ignore an angel coming down from heaven with a key and opening the pit in chapter 9?
Why was a key needed to open the pit, if it was not locked previously?


Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
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That was a perfect sidestep, avoiding the issue entirely. The truth is, chapter 18 is years after chapter 9. The events of chapter 9 will take place in the first half of the future 70th week, while the events of chapter 18 are after the entire week has finished. Just so you will know, after Satan is loosed again, it will be a thousand years later.
 
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That was a perfect sidestep, avoiding the issue entirely.

The sidestep came from the guy who refused to explain why the angel in Revelation 9:1-2 had to use a key to unlock the pit.

This is the same guy who explains away "the time of the judgment of the dead", with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18, by saying it is a "parenthesis".
He does this in an attempt to claim the Book of Revelation is in chronological order.

He does all of this to promote a Bible doctrine which is less than 200 years old.


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.



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Could you please do a detailed comparison between Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20 (the two main often-presented Premil proof texts)?

The text in Zechariah tells of the LORD (YHVH) setting His feet on the Mount of Olives and destroying the armies of the nations that are come against Jerusalem. It states that all the saints will come with Him.

The text of the Revelation, without the man-made 13th century insertion of chapter divisions into the Bible, speaks about the the return of Christ, and states that the Lord Jesus will come down from heaven with His armies of saints (as in Zechariah 14) and destroy the beast, his armies, and the false prophet, casting them alive into the lake of fire.

Whereas the text of the Revelation,
without the man-made 13th century insertion of chapter divisions into the Bible, states that the beast, false prophet and their armies will be cast alive into the lake of fire, the text of Zechariah says of those who came against Jerusalem that "their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.".

In the text of Zechariah, the above is followed by the statement that "the LORD shall be King over all the earth; in that day there shall be one LORD, and His name shall be one." This is followed by the statement that nations will go up to Jerusalem from year to year (implying an appointed annual time or feast) to worship the King, YHVH of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Whereas in the text of Zechariah, the above is followed by the statement that "the LORD shall be King over all the earth; in that day there shall be one LORD, and His name shall be one.", the text of the Revelation, without the man-made 13th century insertion of chapter divisions into the Bible, states of Christ that "out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike the nations. And He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God."

Whereas in the text of Zechariah it's stated that "it shall be, everyone who is left of all the nations which came up against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.", in the text of the Revelation, without the man-made 13th century insertion of chapter divisions into the Bible, the destruction of the beast, it's armies and false prophet is followed by a one-thousand year period during which Satan is bound up in the abyss,

which,
in the interest of intellectual honesty when dealing with the scriptures of God, it's of the utmost importance that we take note of the fact that the Greek word used for one-thousand, denotes is a one-thousand year period which, in the rules of Greek literature and grammar, prohibits a symbolic interpretation of.

Whereas the text of Zechariah states "And it shall be in that day, living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them shall go toward the eastern sea, and half of them toward the western sea. In summer and in winter it shall be, in the text of the Revelation, without the man-made 13th century insertion of chapter divisions into the Bible, John sees "the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands, living and reigning with Christ a thousand years."

Again, it is of the utmost importance in the interest of intellectual honesty when dealing with the scriptures of God, that we take note of the fact that the Greek word used for one-thousand, denotes is a one-thousand year period which, in the rules of Greek literature and grammar, prohibits a symbolic interpretation of.
 
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Let's make a deal here. I apologize for using the word "silly" and the phrase "faulty logic". I'm tired of the insults. Let's be more respectful towards each other? We're both Christians. What we believe about the thousand years is not a hill to die on. Deal?

This is from your last response to BABerean2. Look at all the times you asked if he was ignoring something or assuming "without the slightest shred of evidence". Can you stop this abrasive way of posting, please?

No one here, including you, ignores anything. Do you understand how insulting it is to accuse someone of ignoring something? That means you're accusing them of being dishonest with the scripture and acting like it doesn't exist. No one here is doing that. We are just interpreting things differently and not ignoring anything. Please be more respectful than this towards other Christians.
I am. You do the same thing to me and everyone else.

I see that you have no interest in changing your abrasive style of posting. Please don't respond to me ever again. I'm not interested in wasting my time discussing these things with someone who has no respect for anyone who doesn't agree with his end time views.
Good. I like that.
I was responding to each question of his to me that began with "Are you ignoring..?" with a question using the same opening he used. You never counted how many times he started his post to me with "Really?" and with "Are you ignoring the fact that.." and you never mentioned it in your post above - once again clearly showing your motives for coming to this thread.

Since you can't be even-handed about attacking someone for abrasiveness (even after you had apologized to me for your own abrasiveness in your choice of words in another of your posts to me) then I will put all your posts on ignore, no problem at all to me.

I find it shocking and telling that despite your peaceful claims, you made it obvious that you came to this thread with the express purpose of launching a personal and biased attack on someone (no matter who that may have been). Nevertheless, that's between you and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Case closed in my book.
 
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Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


Why is an angel sent down from heaven to open the bottomless pit with a key, if the pit is not locked when he comes down?


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Here is another example where there are two possible outcomes to choose from. One of them being what you propose here. The other one being the following.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


Obviously, and not one single person should disagree, this pit has been closed during a period of time in this age, meaning before Christ's bodily coming, and that it is initially opened during a period of time in this age, meaning before Christ's bodily coming.

The fact that we see that it is opened, and that it needs a key to open it, where do we ever see in this chapter that it is closed again, thus locked up again? We don't. So, in Revelation 20:1, it's not that anyone is coming to open the pit, as in unlock it again, keeping in mind there is not a single Scripture prior to this verse and after Revelation 9:1-2, where it shows anyone locking the pit back up after it was unlocked in the beginning of Revelation 9. Therefore, per Revelation 20:1-3, the pit is not even locked at the time, and that it is still opened, and that this is not the reason this angel has the key, in order to unlock it again. Instead, this angel has the key in order to lock it back up again once satan is cast into it.
 
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Here is another example where there are two possible outcomes to choose from. One of them being what you propose here. The other one being the following.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


Obviously, and not one single person should disagree, this pit has been closed during a period of time in this age, meaning before Christ's bodily coming, and that it is initially opened during a period of time in this age, meaning before Christ's bodily coming.

The fact that we see that it is opened, and that it needs a key to open it, where do we ever see in this chapter that it is closed again, thus locked up again? We don't. So, in Revelation 20:1, it's not that anyone is coming to open the pit, as in unlock it again, keeping in mind there is not a single Scripture prior to this verse and after Revelation 9:1-2, where it shows anyone locking the pit back up after it was unlocked in the beginning of Revelation 9. Therefore, per Revelation 20:1-3, the pit is not even locked at the time, and that it is still opened, and that this is not the reason this angel has the key, in order to unlock it again. Instead, this angel has the key in order to lock it back up again once satan is cast into it.


Revelation 20: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture?

(Chronological or Recapitulation?) (Literal vs. Figurative?)

Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? Graveyards needed?


Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24?


Can the number 1,000 be used in a symbolic manner? Psalm 50:10


Does an angel with a key come from heaven and open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Why did the angel have to unlock the pit if it was not locked previously?
Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11?
Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14?
If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation 11:7, where is the beast before then?


John sees “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20.
Are these the same “souls” found in Revelation 6:9-11?


Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:5 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (Rev. 11:11) Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5?
John 5:24 (Spiritual) ? Were you dead, and now you are alive?
John 5:27-30 Christ describes the bodily resurrection and “hour” of judgment of “all” the dead.


Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29?
How is Satan “bound” in Revelation 20:3?


How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46?
Isaiah 65:17-25? Are people really dying in verse 20? Context, Context, Context…


Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10? How would mortals survive this fire?
Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20?


Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1?
When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18?


What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21?
Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return?


Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55?


Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24.
Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31?
What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?


Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones?


What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13?


Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation?


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Is there a correlation between Revelation 20 and earlier passages in the Book of Revelation?

Is Revelation chapter 20 another example of “Recapitulation”?




Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev_18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.


Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Judgment Before the Great White Throne.

Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


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I was responding to each question of his to me that began with "Are you ignoring..?" with a question using the same opening he used. You never counted how many times he started his post to me with "Really?" and with "Are you ignoring the fact that.." and you never mentioned it in your post above - once again clearly showing your motives for coming to this thread.

Since you can't be even-handed about attacking someone for abrasiveness (even after you had apologized to me for your own abrasiveness in your choice of words in another of your posts to me) then I will put all your posts on ignore, no problem at all to me.

I find it shocking and telling that despite your peaceful claims, you made it obvious that you came to this thread with the express purpose of launching a personal and biased attack on someone (no matter who that may have been). Nevertheless, that's between you and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Case closed in my book.
He was being abrasive in that post and saying you ignored things as well. You are right. He is just as guilty of that.

BABerean2, I ask that you be more respectful when speaking to those who disagree with you. Saying people are ignoring something is not fruitful. We're all looking at the same passages and not ignoring them. We're just interpreting them differently.

I wish we could all just discuss these things respectfully without the personal insults. Can we start over and do that? I'm willing to continue discussing things with you if you agree to that. I know we're all passionate about what we believe, but that doesn't mean it's okay to be rude. That goes for me, too.
 
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