Why do White Christians Vote Republican and Black Christians Vote Democrat?

It's an untrue generalization. There are white Christian Democrats and black Christian republicans.

Democrats do not own the minority vote. Neither do republicans own the white vote. Systematic racism anyone?

Why do whites vote Republican and blacks vote democratic generally? It's not really particular to Christians.

seeking.IAM said:

It's an untrue generalization. There are white Christian Democrats and black Christian republicans.

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But I think there is more truth to it than what you allow yourself to admit

Here is an interesting Wiki Article on black Congressmen.

From 1879 to 1943, every last Black Congressman was a Republican.

Then from 1943 they were all democrats.

So what changed? I've always been taught that the Civil Rights movement in the 1960's is what made them change parties, but if in 1943 the change occurred this is impossible.

Then I heard someone talk about the Jim Crow laws. Essentially, Blacks were treated poorly under the Jim Crow law, but mostly in rural areas, but not the major cities. So black flocked to the major cites to escape the Jim Crow bias where it was mostly ignored in the major cities. Trouble is, major cities tend to lean Left, so they all became democrats.

It should not be surprising that they started off as Republicans since that was the party that freed the slaves. And it is odd that they flocked to the party of democrats that started organizations like the KKK. But politics make strange bed fellows as they say.

iluvatar5150 said:

When the two groups each have >80% of their constituents voting as a bloc, it's a useful generalization if you're interested in learning how we got to this place.



No, that's not what systemic racism is.



You're right, it's not. But it is useful IMO to frame the question that way given how strongly "Republican" has been conflated with "Christian."

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Statistics show that those who practice their faith tend to lean conservative and those who are not of faith, or don't practice their faith, lean Left.

I think it comes down to 1 Samuel 8 when the people of Israel clamored for a king. Before that there were simply judges to keep the peace. But God was upset that they are rejecting HIM as their king, so he gave them a stern warning as to what would happen to them if they chose a sinful man as their king. But the rejected the warning so God gave them Saul.

Ever since that time man has been looking for a human king to save them, that is, those who have not made God as their king. This is why Leftism is perhaps the most successful religion in the world today, because most people do not practice their faith in a substantive way. Conservatives tend to vote for people to just leave them alone as where those who are leftsts are voting for a savior such as Saul.

Interestingly, after they chose a human king the spiral downward started and it was only 2 kings later that they lost their kingdom. I think this is why Jews tend to vote Left. Most are not practicing Jews and are secular Jews. In fact, I wonder how many voted for the Socialist Hitler thinking he was not really that bad and had great social policies to "save" them

iluvatar5150 said:

It was only recently that I learned the shift pre-dated the civil rights era. The guest in the Ezra Klein episode points out that it started back in the New Deal and that even then, Republicans were generating internal party reports pointing out that the reason they were struggling with black voters because black voters thought both parties were racist, but at least Democratic economic policies helped them.

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I think you will find that the main support of the Left comes from major cities which is where Blacks fled to to escape Jim Crow laws. They simply depend more on government than those in rural areas.

It is interesting that Thomas Jefferson was appalled at large cities stating it bred massive corruption that would destroy the nation due to the concentration of wealth and power. Perhaps he was right after looking at the world today.

iluvatar5150 said:

Phil Vischer (of Veggietales fame) recently put together a video that does about as good a job as I've come across summarizing the history of race and party preferences in the US.

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Have you seen the Christians in #BLEXIT ??

WonbyOneanddone said:

Statistics show that those who practice their faith tend to lean conservative and those who are not of faith, or don't practice their faith, lean Left.

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Please supply a source for those statistics.

WonbyOneanddone said:

But I think there is more truth to it than what you allow yourself to admit

Here is an interesting Wiki Article on black Congressmen.

From 1879 to 1943, every last Black Congressman was a Republican.

Then from 1943 they were all democrats.

So what changed? I've always been taught that the Civil Rights movement in the 1960's is what made them change parties, but if in 1943 the change occurred this is impossible.

Then I heard someone talk about the Jim Crow laws. Essentially, Blacks were treated poorly under the Jim Crow law, but mostly in rural areas, but not the major cities. So black flocked to the major cites to escape the Jim Crow bias where it was mostly ignored in the major cities. Trouble is, major cities tend to lean Left, so they all became democrats.

It should not be surprising that they started off as Republicans since that was the party that freed the slaves. And it is odd that they flocked to the party of democrats that started organizations like the KKK. But politics make strange bed fellows as they say.

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Some of this can be explained, I think, by regional changes in the Democratic Party. Specifically I think it was Hubert Humphrey who did a lot to move the Democrats in northern cities towards civil rights and away from the more expected KKK leanings of the more typically Democratic Party.

I think Humphrey was great. His move to bring Kennedy and then Johnson towards civil rights was great. He stole a Republican idea and tried to bring it into the Democratic Party. That's all good. Too bad the Party didn't stay Humphrian but ended up McGovernite instead. He helped to make the party of segregation look like a whole new thing. That and Black migration out of the South and into urban areas, as you noted, did the trick.

What we see now is that the Democrats feel entitled to the votes of Black people. And the Democrats haven't done much but keep Blacks dependent and stuck voting Democrat. If the Republicans had a more worthy candidate they could see a LOT of new votes from Blacks this time around.

The democrat used to be the poor mans choice.

The Black Voter identification switch isn't hard to understand. They were slowly bought off by social programs starting with the New Deal where by the time of Johnson's Great Society 30+ years later the majority switched to the Democratic party, and once on those programs etc. that tended to retain their loyalty in spite of the parties history of racism, slavery and Jim Crow.

iluvatar5150 said:

Rural areas tend to be poor and require more infrastructure per capita. Certain services like mail and telecommunications wouldn't exist in rural areas without government subsidies. Agriculture is heavily dependent upon subsidies and other forms of government support. I suspect that rural areas are just as reliant on government, but that government aid manifests itself in different ways.

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It’s certainly the case in my state, the rural areas are subsidized by taxpayers in the cities. Cities are just more economically efficient, as more people can share services and infrastructure.

Considering who heads their ticket, I am astonished that anyone votes Republican.

Even his base--billionaires--are fleeing in droves and supporting Biden.

But obviously Trump is unconcerned holding contagion fests that could kill.or incapacitate his dwindling pool of supporters.

The main reason white evangelicals support Trump, according to psychological journals, is their preference for authoritarian leaders.

The black evangelicals I know are more independent. The system has failed and continues to.fail them. They rely on one another, as do many immigrants.

seeking.IAM said:

Please supply a source for those statistics.

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I tried to find the article I read a while back but can't seem to find it, so I took the liberty of putting together other sources to make my case using PEW research.

Here we see political affiliation related to religious affiliation

U.S. religious groups and their political leanings

And what we see is that evangelicals are overwhelmingly conservative.

But what of those who are not, such as Catholics and Episcopals who lean democratic?

I then took the liberty of looking up church attendance and various denomination using PEW research, and it showed that groups like the evangelicals, who rate well above 50%, are compared to Catholics who only rate in the 20% range.

This shows a great deal in terms of those who are attempting to practice their faith and those who are not. Granted, attending church does not mean they are not trying to practice their faith but I think it a good indication.

It is like the divorce rate. If you look at divorce rate statistics you will see that Christians seem to divorce at the same rate as those who are not of faith. However, if you break that down in terms of those who regularly attend church, the divorce rate plummets by some 30 percentage points.

I don't understand how "Catholics" like Joe Biden can come out in favor of tax funded abortions with a smile when his own religious church teaches it is genocide on a mass scale. It would be akin to him running as a Nazi and a Catholic while gassing Jews. But then, the Pope himself gives sermons on the evils of building walls while seemingly ignoring the mass genocide as well, much like the Catholic church was silent during the Holocaust. Shrug, some things never changes it seems. It just seems to me that the politics of the Catholic church, who seem more concerned about self preservation than dealing with the never ending pedophilia scandals that are helping to kill church attendance, are no more concerned about the affairs of God than those who don't attend church, much like Christ called out the religious leaders of his day.

In my estimation, politicians like Joe Biden, and those who support them, are willing to vote for those engaged in open promotion of tax funded genocide, much like "Christians" in Nazi Germany supported the socialists for their cool socialist policies while turning a blind eye to the Holocaust.

As Christians we must ask, do we really believe what we purport to believe? Is the unborn human like us or not? And if they are, no support can be given to a political party advocating tax payer genocide. Only people who don't take their faith seriously can do otherwise in my estimation.

Fantine said:

Considering who heads their ticket, I am astonished that anyone votes Republican.

Even his base--billionaires--are fleeing in droves and supporting Biden.

But obviously Trump is unconcerned holding contagion fests that could kill.or incapacitate his dwindling pool of supporters.

The main reason white evangelicals support Trump, according to psychological journals, is their preference for authoritarian leaders.

The black evangelicals I know are more independent. The system has failed and continues to.fail them. They rely on one another, as do many immigrants.

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I am in no way a follower of Trump, far from it. When I saw an interview of him saying that he had never felt the need to ask for forgiveness from God that told me all I needed to know about his spiritual condition.

But when I see he is willing to take on the Left, those that demand tax payer funded abortions, I ask myself, what choice do I have? And when I see a President that has not started a war in a very long time, I ask myself, how bad can he really be compared to the alternative?

You may think Trump worse than the alternative, but it seems to me that every bad thing Trump does the Left out does him. For example, Trump may tell a thousand little lies, such as the size of his inauguration from those who attended, but Obama tells a few lies about our health care, such as the cost and coverage and things that really effect our pocket books and our health itself, and you have to wonder, which is worse? Another example is his various affairs. He we have a President who paid off Stormy Daniels to keep silent about their fling, something that was consensual. But shortly afterward I learned that those in Congress itself had taken tax payer money over a decade or so to pay off women who were sexually assaulted by various Congressmen to keep quiet. So which is worse?

There is so much corruption at that level of power I'm not sure a good man or woman could ever succeed at that job, and also consider the Biblical teaching, "Let God be true and every man a liar".

And so that leads us back to 1 Samuel 8. No matter who we vote for they will fall short. I will then vote for the side not wanting to exponentially increase their power and authority over us.

chevyontheriver said:

Some of this can be explained, I think, by regional changes in the Democratic Party. Specifically I think it was Hubert Humphrey who did a lot to move the Democrats in northern cities towards civil rights and away from the more expected KKK leanings of the more typically Democratic Party.

I think Humphrey was great. His move to bring Kennedy and then Johnson towards civil rights was great. He stole a Republican idea and tried to bring it into the Democratic Party. That's all good. Too bad the Party didn't stay Humphrian but ended up McGovernite instead. He helped to make the party of segregation look like a whole new thing. That and Black migration out of the South and into urban areas, as you noted, did the trick.

What we see now is that the Democrats feel entitled to the votes of Black people. And the Democrats haven't done much but keep Blacks dependent and stuck voting Democrat. If the Republicans had a more worthy candidate they could see a LOT of new votes from Blacks this time around.

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The democrats have shamelessly tried to portray the entire Republican party as racists. I read somewhere that every GOP Presidential candidate since Eisenhower was portrayed as a racist. McCain is a good example. When he ran against Obama, he too was labeled a racist. However, when he came out against Trump, he magically transformed into a respectable statesman in the press and DNC overnight.

I just remember seeing Obama not want to use the term "Islamic fundamentalist" when they were responsible for various terrorist acts because he did not want to have people take their hate out on innocent Muslims, which was understandable. However, anytime he got a chance he fed the fires of law enforcement having systemic racism, as innocent white police officers were being assassinated all over the country. I just find that appalling, but that's politics. I reckon you have to know how to play to your base, and if for one second the GOP is not seen as racist, the DNC is in big trouble and they know it.

But this preoccupation with race really turns me off with the DNC. Elizabeth Warren is a prime example. Here is a woman telling people she is part Indian and saying it with pride. Ok, does anyone really care? Should they care? She does, but why? She then got trolled by Trump questioning her on it and so she has a genetics test to prove it. So there she is when she got the results back, she was 1/1023 Indian as she was smiling from ear to ear proving Trump wrong. However, a week later we hear indigenous people complain that she had to be about 1/3 Indian to really be considered Indian, so she ended up trolling herself on the issue. Again, the whole preoccupation with race by the democrat party I think is destructive and kind of sick. I mean, what really is race? We are all mutts. We are all 12% this and 9% that. So what?

As for Trump being a racist, I have heard him about a dozen times condemn white supremacists and neo-Nazi types, but the media just ignores it. Does anyone know Trump dated a black woman for several years? Probably not. Does anyone know that Trump asked Oprah once to run with him as a VP? I doubt it. And more to the point, was Trump known as a racist before he decided to run for President? Trump may be a lot of things, but racist is not a word that comes to mind.