WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

Root of Jesse · Oct 14, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Ok continuing on a little further showing that God's people all through time from Genesis to Revelation and from the days of JESUS and the Apostles to after the death and resurrection of JESUS and the death of the Apostles all through time to this very present day, have always kept the true "Lord's day" which according to the scriptures is God's 4th commandment Sabbath of God's 10 commandments..

Already started and covered in this thread here...

*First and second century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Third century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Fourth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Fifth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)

Lets continue into the sixth century AD...

Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Sixth Century A.D.

SCOTTISH CHURCH
"In this latter instance they seemed to have followed a custom of which we find traces in the early monastic church of Ireland by which they held Saturday to be the Sabbath on which they rested from all their labours." W.T. Skene, "Adamnan Llife of St. Columbs" 1874, p.96.

SCOTLAND, IRELAND
"We seem to see here an allusion to the custom, observed in the early monastic Church of Ireland, of keeping the day of rest on Saturday, or the Sabbath." "History of the Catholic Church in Scotland," Vol.1, p. 86, by Catholic histsorian Bellesheim.

SCOTLAND-COLULMBA
"Having continued his labours in Scotland thirty-four years, he clearly and openly foretold his death, and on Saturday, the month of June, said to his disciple Diermit: "This day is calleld the Sabbath, that is the rest day, and such will it truly be to me; for it will put an end to my labours.'" "Butler's Lives of the Saints," Vol.1, A.D. 597, art. "St. Columba" p. 762

COLUMBA (RE DR. BUTLER'S DESCRIPTION OF HIS DEATH)
The editor of the best biography of Colulmba says in a footnote: "Our Saturday. The custom to call the Lord's day Sabbath did not commence until a thousand years later." Adamnan's "Life of Columba" (Dublin, 1857), p. 230.

more to come lets go right through to this present day...

Where do you get that keeping the Sabbath rest includes worshiping the Lord? All of these, except the last, which is someone's footnote, say that the Sabbath is a day of rest. Not a day of worship.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

Root of Jesse said:
Just not your people...

Everyone who believes and follows God's Word and keep His commandments are God's saints and are my people according to the scriptures *John 10:26-27; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 19:10; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Matthew 7:21-23.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

Root of Jesse said:
I have no issue with your first statement. The problem is your interpretation of Scripture. That's what's different. The reason we need authority is to make sure we stay on track. But yes, all who follow His Word are His followers. Jesus told us, in John chapter 6, that in order to have eternal life we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Jesus never stated something so unequivocally and not provide the way for that to be done. To top it all off, in 1 Corinthians 11:27 if the bread and wine didn't become His flesh and blood, how could anyone eat it unworthily? But I know you don't follow this part of His Word...

Yes I guess many of those who called JESUS of the devil and the sick and the lame that testified of him, unlearned in the scriptures. Yet it was God who did not reveal his Word to the wise and learned but to babes and the unlearned. It was not the Scribes and Pharisees and the scholars of the day of Jesus that God taught his Word but to the humble fisherman that followed him. Yet is was those very wise and learned scholars all through time that killed and persecuted the prophets, Jesus and Apostles reasoning and all crying out, "interpretation of the scriptures". When provided scripture they are silent because according to the scriptures the light puts out the darkness and they hide from the light in the darkness because they loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil and neither come to the light lest their deeds be reproved. These are Gods' Words not mine. So your argument is with God not me.

prodromos · Oct 14, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Everyone who believes and follows God's Word and keep His commandments are God's saints and are my people according to the scriptures *John 10:26-27; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 19:10; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Matthew 7:21-23.

So how do you believe and follow John 6:48-69?
The Apostles established the divine services everywhere they took the Gospel before one word of the New Testament was written down, so that we could eat His flesh and drink His blood.

prodromos · Oct 14, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
I noticed that your references start from 200-250 AD. Does that not concern you? Yep it should.

Those are all your references :doh:

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

Root of Jesse said:
Where do you get that keeping the Sabbath rest includes worshiping the Lord? All of these, except the last, which is someone's footnote, say that the Sabbath is a day of rest. Not a day of worship.

Believing and following God's Word is how we worship God. According to JESUS if we do not believe and follow God's Word and follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God *Matthew 15:3-9; John 10:26-27. Of course God's sabbath commandment is all about worship. Leviticus 23:3 says that the Sabbath is a day of holy convocation which means (public meeting or sacred assembly). Both Jesus (Luke 4:16) and the apostles (Acts 13:13, 14; 13:42-44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4) made a habit of going to the synagogue or worshiping together on Sabbath. Church is an opportunity to worship God in a place designed for worship, to learn more of Him through the study of His Word, and to receive encouragement from a community of fellow believers. Paul exhorted, “Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching” (Hebrews 10:25). We might stop here and finish with this...

Isaiah 58:13-14 [13], IF YOU TURN AWAY YOUR FOOT FROM THE SABBATH, FROM DOING YOUR PLEASURE ON MY HOLY DAY; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; AND SHALL HONOR HIM, NOT DOING YOUR OWN WAYS, NOR FINDING YOUR OWN PLEASURE, NOR SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

Yep the Sabbath rest is all about worship. No one worships God by breaking his commandments.

Hope this helps

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

prodromos said:
So how do you believe and follow John 6:48-69?
The Apostles established the divine services everywhere they took the Gospel before one word of the New Testament was written down, so that we could eat His flesh and drink His blood.

JESUS is the living Word of God. We eat his flesh and drink his blood by reading and believing His Word according to the scriptures. If we do not believe and follow his Word, we are not eating his flesh or drinking his blood that he has given to the world.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

prodromos said:
Those are all your references

Thanks late night posting fixed up. They were not all, only some. The references posted start from scripture and work through each century.

prodromos · Oct 14, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
JESUS is the living Word of God. We eat his flesh and drink his blood by reading and believing His Word according to the scriptures. If we do not believe his Word and believe and follow it we are not eating his flesh or drinking his blood that he has given to the world.

And thus you stand accused by your own words:

Yet is was those very wise and learned scholars all through time that killed and persecuted the prophets, Jesus and Apostles reasoning and all crying out, "interpretation of the scriptures".

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

prodromos said:
You haven't provided any sources apart from a few verses from Scripture onwhich we reach different conclusions. You don't provide references from Josephus or Philo but to a quarterly magazine from the 19th Century, and you have nothing quoted from the 2nd Century at all.

Each and every quote has a source and reference. Go look them up.
*First and second century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Third century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Fourth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Fifth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Sixth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)

More to come we are only just starting.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

LoveGod's Word wrote: EGYPT (OXYRHYNCHUS PAPYRUS) (200-250 A.D.)"Except ye make the sabbath a real sabbath (sabbatize the Sabbath," Greek), ye shall not see the Father." "The oxyrhynchus Papyri," pt,1, p.3, Logion 2, verso 4-11 (London Offices of the Egypt Exploration Fund, 1898).

Your response...

prodromos said:
This was from a 'so called' "Sayings of Jesus", yet the Scriptures do not record Jesus ever saying this.

It is a historical record from 200-250 AD no one ever said it was or was not a saying of Jesus.

LoveGodsWord wrote: EARLY CHRISTIANS-C 3rd
"Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands." "The Anti-Nicene Fathers," Vol 7,p. 413. From "Constitutions of the Holy Apostles," a document of the 3rd and 4th Centuries.

Your response here..

prodromos said:
Consistent with what we know of the Early Church, working on the Sabbath was not forbidden.

It is another Historical record from the 3rd Century. It does not say anything about working on the Sabbath "idleness of the hands" is in context to "resting on the Sabbath is for meditation of the law."

LoveGodsWord wrote: AFRICA (ALEXANDRIA) ORIGEN

"After the festival of the unceasing sacrifice (the crucifixion) is put the second festival of the Sabbath, and it is fitting for whoever is righteous among the saints to keep also the festival of the Sabbath. There remaineth therefore a sabbatismus, that is, a keeping of the Sabbath, to the people of God (Hebrews 4:9)." "Homily on Numbers 23," par.4, in Migne, "Patrologia Graeca," Vol. 12,cols. 749, 750.

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prodromos said:
The "festival of the unceasing sacrifice" is the Divine Liturgy performed on Sunday. The Sabbath is secondary to that. It is held in high esteem which has always been the position of the Orthodox Church, but Sunday is the greater festival.

Not according to scripture.

LoveGodsWord wrote: PALESTINE TO INDIA (CHURCH OF THE EAST)

As early as A.D. 225 there existed large bishoprics or conferences of the Church of the East (Sabbath-keeping) stretching from Palestine to India. Mingana, "Early Spread of Christianity." Vol.10, p. 460.

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prodromos said:
The Church of the East worshipped primarily on Sunday, just like the churches found everywhere else. They were not Sabbath-keeping in the manner of the Jews

Nope. The Church of the East was also called the (Syriac: ܥܕܬܐ ܕܡܕܢܚܐ‎ ʿĒḏtā d-Maḏenḥā), also called the Persian Church or Nestorian Church,was a Christian church of the East Syriac rite based in Upper Mesopotamia (Wiki). “The Nestorians eat no pork and keep the Sabbath. They believe in neither auricular confession nor purgatory.” Schaff-Herzog, “The New Encyclopaedia of Religious Knowledge,” art. “Nestorians.”

LoveGodsWord wrote: INDIA (BUDDHIST CONTROVERSY), 220 A.D.)
The Kushan Dynasty of North India called a famous council of Buddhist priests at Vaisalia to bring uniformity among the Buddhist monks on the observance of their weekly Sabbath. Some had been so impressed by the writings of the Old Testament that they had begun to keep holy the Sabbath. Lloyd, "The Creed of Half Japan," p. 23.

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prodromos said:
Influenced by the Old Testament. Not influenced by Christians

Straw-man. It is only another historical reference to Sabbath keeping around the world and throughout time. I thought it interesting though that thought who read the bible know about God's Sabbath. While there is not one scripture in the new testament that says God's 4th commandment Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Sunday is a mad made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's Sabbath commandment and is not biblical according to the scriptures

LoveGodsWord wrote:

EARLY CHRISTIANS "The seventh-day Sabbath was...solemnised by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council did in manner quite abolish the observations of it." "Dissertation on the Lord's Day," pp. 33, 34

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prodromos said:
Canon 29 says nothing different to the earlier quote from the "Constitutions of the Holy Apostles", and Canon 16 states that the Gospels are to be read on the Sabbath (in the Liturgy). This is because the Sabbath was honored as a festal day in the Church (kneeling during the Liturgy was forbidden on the Sabbath, same as on Sunday, and fasting was also not done on the Sabbath, same as Sunday)

The Catholic Canon is not the bible.

LoveGodsWord wrote:

ITALY AND EAST-C 4th "It was the practice generally of the Easterne Churches; and some churches of the west...For in the Church of Millaine (Milan);...it seems the Saturday was held in a farre esteeme... Not that the Easterne Churches, or any of the rest which observed that day, were inclined to Iudaisme (Judaism); but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Iesus (Jesus) Christ the Lord of the Sabbath." "History of the Sabbath" (original spelling retained), Part 2, par. 5, pp.73, 74. London: 1636. Dr. Heylyn.

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prodromos said:
Just as it still is in the Orthodox Church today. What your quote fails to mention however, is that Sunday was the primary day of worship for these Churches. The Sabbath was honored, but not held in the same esteem as Sunday.

Straw-man. The Sabbath of God's 10 commandments is being kept by these church's is the point being made. What you have posted is not relevant as we should worship God everyday. The Sabbath is shown here as being kept by believers according to the scriptures.

LoveGodsWord wrote:

"The ancient Christians were very careful in the observance of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assembles on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." "Antiquities of the Christian Church," Vol.II Book XX, chap. 3, sec.1, 66. 1137,1138.

Your response...

prodromos said:
Another selective quote that ignores the fact that Sunday was held in greater esteem than the Sabbath.

Nonsense. See previous response.

LoveGodsWord wrote:

ABYSSINIA "In the last half of that century St. Ambrose of Milan stated officially that the Abyssinian bishop, Museus, had 'traveled almost everywhere in the country of the Seres' (China). For more than seventeen centuries the Abyssinian Church continued to sanctify Saturday as the holy day of the fourth commandment." Ambrose, DeMoribus, Brachmanorium Opera Ominia, 1132, found in Migne, Patrologia Latima, Vol.17, pp.1131,1132.

Your response here...

prodromos said:
Again, ignoring that the Abyssinian Church held Sunday in greater esteem than the Sabbath.

Distraction of opinion. The point here is that this is a historical reference to those throughout time that keep the Sabbath and continue to do so.

LoveGodsWord wrote:

ARABIA, PERSIA, INDIA, CHINA

"Mingana proves that in 370 A.D. Abyssinian Christianity (a Sabbath keeping church) was so popular that its famous director, Musacus, travelled extensively in the East promoting the church in Arabia, Persia, India and China." "Truth Triumphanat,"p.308 (Footnote 27).

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prodromos said:
See above.

See above

LoveGodsWord wrote:

ITALY-MILAN "Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan, said that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb, 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does.'" Heylyn, "The History of the Sabbath" (1612)

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prodromos said:
When it says he observed Saturday, it means he didn't fast, as is the case in the Orthodox Church. It doesn't mean he didn't observe Sunday in Milan.

Nonsense. He observed the Sabbath in Milan and Sunday in Rome just as it is written.

More to come...

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

LGW wrote:

SPAIN-COUNCIL ELVIRA (A.D.305)
Canon 26 of the Council of Elvira reveals that the Church of Spain at that time kept Saturday, the seventh day. "As to fasting every Sabbath: Resolved, that the error be corrected of fasting every Sabbath." This resolution of the council is in direct opposition to the policy the church at Rome had inaugurated, that of commanding Sabbath as a fast day in order to humiliate it and make it repugnant to the people.

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prodromos said:
Once again in agreement with the Orthodox Church in honoring the Sabbath as a festive day. This is just one of the ways in which Rome acted contrary to the rest of the Church.

Not at all. The Sabbath is not a festive day. It is one of the ten commandments.

LGW wrote: wrote:

SPAIN It is a point of further interest to note that in north-eastern Spain near the city of Barcelona is a city called Sabadell, in a district originaly inhabited, by a people called both "Valldenses" and Sabbatati."

Your response..

prodromos said:
Nothing to do with the 4th Century or the Sabbath. They are named after the 12th Century Waldensians and the wooden sandals they wore (Sabot)

Well that is not true. The Etymology of the Spanish name for the city of Sabadell comes from From Ancient Greek σάββατον (sábbaton, “Sabbath”), from Hebrew שַׁבָּת‎ (shabát, “Sabbath”). The people that originally inhabited this district were the "Valldenses" and Sabbatati" known Sabbath keepers.

LGW wrote: wrote:

PERSIA-A.D. 335-375 (40 YEARS PERSECUTION UNDER SHAPUR II)The popular complaint against the Christians-"They despise our sungod, they have divine services on Saturday, they desecrate the sacred the earth by burying their dead in it." Truth Triumphant," p.170.

PERSIA-A.D.335-375

"They despise our sun-god. Did not Zorcaster, the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday." O'Leary, "The Syriac Church and Fathers," pp.83, 84.

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prodromos said:
Not enough information. As in the first centuries, the divine services began on the Sabbath evening and finished before dawn on Sunday. For early Christians the day began at sunset. Persian pagans probably considered the day to begin at sunrise.

Nonsense. The historical records are very clear. The reason for the persecutions in 335-375 AD was because the early Christians despised the Sun god and holding their devine services on the Sabbath. The second reference gives further clarity that persecution was over the Sabbath versus Sunday and the Sabbath desecrating Sunday in honor of the sun. Hand waiving cannot help you here.

LGW wrote:

COUNCIL LAODICEA-A.D.365
"Canon 16-On Saturday the Gospels and other portions of the Scripture shall be read aloud." "Canon 29-Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honor, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day." Hefele's "Councils," Vol. 2, b. 6.

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prodromos said:
You already mentioned this in your 3rd century quotes. Nothing to see here.

Thanks will check it. It should be here in the 4th Century sources though.

LGW wrote:

"For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrated the sacred mysteries (the Lord's Supper) on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Allexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, refuse to do this." The footnote which accompanies the foregoing quotation explains the use of the word "Sabbath." It says: "That is, upon the Saturday. It should be observed, that Sunday is never called "the Sabbath' by the ancient Fathers and historians." Sacrates, "Ecclestical History," Book 5, chap. 22, p. 289.

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prodromos said:
And we still do in the Orthodox Church, and no, Sunday has never been called Sabbath, it is called "Lord's Day" in Greek. The quote above implies that the divine services were not celebrated on Sunday except in Alexandria and Rome, however that is not the case.

As shown through this thread the "Lords day" being Sunday is not biblical and Sunday does not mean "the Lords day" in the Koinr Greek. Happy to repost the original Greek again and discuss it if your still in disagreement. You are simply wrong here.

More to come...

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

LGW wrote: CONSTANTINOPLE"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria." Socrates, "Ecclesiastical History," Book 7, chap.19.

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prodromos said:
Sunday being the primary day of worship.

Nope. The bible and Historical record says no such thing.

LGW wrote:

THE WORLD-AUGUSTINE, BISHOP OF HIPPO (NORTH AFRICA)Augustine shows here that the Sabbath was observed in his day "in the greater part of the Christian world," and his testimony in this respect is all the more valuable because he himself was an earnest and consistent Sunday-keeper. See "Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers," 1st Series, Vol.1, pp. 353, 354.

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prodromos said:
Ignoring the fact that "in the greater part of the Christian world" they were also earnest and consistent Sunday-keepers. Observing the Sabbath meant not fasting and not kneeling in the divine services. It didn't mean not working. POPE INNOCENT (402-417 Pope Sylvester (314-335) was the first to order the churches to fast on Saturday, and Pope Innocent (402-417) made it a binding law in the churches that obeyed him, (In order to bring the Sabbath into disfavour.) "Innocentius did ordain the Saturday or Sabbath to be always fasted." Dr. Peter Heylyn, "History of the Sabbath, Part 2, p. 44. Yep, and in doing so he ran counter to the rest of the Church, as Rome did in a number of things which eventually resulted in the Great Schism.

Strawman? The historical the biblical and Historical records are only provided to show that God has always had a people all through time that have always been Sabbath keepers.

LoveGodsWord wrote:

THROUGH THE FIFTH CENTURY A.D. Down even to the fifth century the observance of the Jewish Sabbath was continued in the Christian church. "Ancient Christianity Exemplified," Lyman Coleman, ch. 26, sec. 2, p. 527.

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Your response...
Not observance of the Jewish Sabbath. Observance of the Christian Sabbath. Mr Coleman is incorrect.

Not really. There is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath as the Sabbath was made at creation for all mankind according to the scriptures *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27. It is you who is incorrect.

LGW wrote:

In Jerome's day (420 A.D.) the devoutest Christians did ordinary work on Sunday. "Treatise of the Sabbath Day," by Dr. White, Lord Bishop of Ely, p. 219.

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prodromos said:
This is a 17th Century quote, not a 5th Century quote.

Not relevant. It is a Historical 17th Century quote about Jerome who was living in this period.

LGW wrote:

FRANCE "Wherefore, except Vespers and Nocturns, there are no public services among them in the day except on Saturday (Sabbath) and Sunday." John Cassian, A French monk, "Institutes," Book 3, ch. 2.

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prodromos said:
Welcome to Orthodox Christianity.

Indeed and more evidence against your teachings.

LGW wrote:

AFRICA "Augustine deplored the fact that in two neighbouring churches in Africa one observes the seventh-day Sabbath, another fasted on it." Dr. Peter Heylyn, "The History of the Sabbath." p. 416.

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prodromos said:
You can blame Popes Sylvester and Innocent for that.

No need to blame anyone only pointing out there have always been Sabbath keepers since the days of JESUS and the Apostles and that Gods has always had a people the believe and follow his Word.

LGW wrote:

SPAIN (400 A.D.)"Ambrose sanctified the seventh day as the Sabbath (as he himself says). Ambrose had great influence in Spain, which was also observing the Saturday Sabbath." Truth Triumphant, p. 68.

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prodromos said:
Once again ignoring that Ambrose worshiped primarily on Sunday.

Your ignoring the fact he was a Sabbath keeper as were many in Spain which is why the reference was provided.

LGW wrote:

SIDONIUS (SPEAKING OF KING THEODORIC OF THE GOTHS, A.D. 454-526) "It is a fact that it was formerly the custom in the East to keep the Sabbath in the same manner as the Lord's day and to hold sacred assemblies: while on the other hand, the people of the West, contending for the Lord's day have neglected the celebration of the Sabbath." "Apollinaries Sidonli Epistolae," lib.1, 2; Migne, 57.

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prodromos said:
Please note that Sunday is being referred to as "the Lord's day", not Saturday. The above is wholly consistent with the Orthodox Church.

Your missing the point again. The East kept the Sabbath. A lot of people being referred to don't you think? As shown through this thread "the Lords day" is not Sunday according to the scriptures meaning that those in the west that kept Sunday where not following biblical practice. This was the difference between the East and the West.

LGW wrote: CHURCH OF THE EAST "Mingana proves that in 410 Isaac, supreme director of the Church of the East, held a world council,-stimulated, some think, by the trip of Musacus,-attended by eastern delegates from forty grand metrop olitan divisions. In 411 he appointed a metropolitan director for China. These churches were sanctifying the seventh day."

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prodromos said:
And Sunday. You ignore that they worshiped primarily on Sunday.

Nonsense. Your ignoring the Historical records and the one your quoting from here which states that the Church of the East. These Church's above were keeping the Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment at this time.

LGW wrote:EGYPT "There are several cities and villages in Egypt where, contrary to the usage established elsewhere, the people meet together on Sabbath evenings, and, although they have dined previously, partake of the mysteries." Sozomen. "Ecclesiastical History Book 7, ch. 119

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prodromos said:
This is the case with vigil services.

Not really. You do know that Sabbath evening is Friday sunset right?

prodromos said:
Perhaps some other time. Your evidence thus far has been a complete fail and I expect that it will be more of the same.

As shown above it is your comments that are a compete fail. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. Both scripture and the Historical records from the bible and every century to the present day God has always had a people that have kept God's 4th commandment Sabbath unbroken to this present day.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

prodromos said:
And thus you stand accused by your own words:

Yet is was those very wise and learned scholars all through time that killed and persecuted the prophets, Jesus and Apostles reasoning and all crying out, "interpretation of the scriptures".

Not really. It is those who deny Gods' Word and do not believe and follow it that are accused of not eating his flesh and drinking his blood. I thought that was pretty clear in the post you were quoting from.

prodromos · Oct 14, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Each and every quote has a source and reference. Go look them up.

You go look them up, and then provide links if you can find them.
A great many of your 'sources' are not primary sources from the periods in question, but then you have simply copy/pasted from another non disclosed website, so how would you know.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

prodromos said:
You go look them up, and then provide links if you can find them.
A great many of your 'sources' are not primary sources from the periods in question, but then you have simply copy/pasted from another non disclosed website, so how would you know.

No need for me thanks. I have provided the references. Lots more to come.

prodromos · Oct 14, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
It is a historical record from 200-250 AD no one ever said it was or was not a saying of Jesus

This is the problem you have when you simply copy/paste someone else's work without doing any fact checking yourself. The quote you gave is from a document titled "sayings of Jesus". This is a fact whether you are willing to believe it or not.

prodromos · Oct 14, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
No need for me thanks. I have provided the references. Lots more to come.

Well then we can safely dismiss them as fiction. Thanks for the heads up.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

prodromos said:
This is the problem you have when you simply copy/paste someone else's work without doing any fact checking yourself. The quote you gave is from a document titled "sayings of Jesus". This is a fact whether you are willing to believe it or not.

Nope! This is the problem you have. Your making straw-man arguments no one is making. Facts have been provided both biblically through the scriptures and Historically. Seems you do not believe them rather wanting to follow man made traditions and teachings that are not biblical. That is your choice. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. According to the very Words of JESUS in Matthew 15:3-9 those who follow man made teachings and traditions over the Word of God are not following God

LoveGodsWord · Oct 14, 2020

prodromos said:
Well then we can safely dismiss them as fiction. Thanks for the heads up.

Sorry dear friend. God's Word is not fiction it becomes our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48 if we reject it and both scripture and History shows that God has always had a people the keep his Sabbath commandments of the ten commandments from the days of JESUS to this present day.... watch this space dear friend more to come...

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