Amy Coney Barrett's Judiciary Committee Hearing is Underway

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I didn't even see the infected Congressmen in their Hazmat suits for some comic relief.

Being retired, I had MSNBC on, and feeling sickened, I turned it off...

But then I realized that we progressives need to be thankful for the hearing being televised and see it in a positive way:

a motivational video.

Vote. Vote. Vote.
 

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Being retired, I had MSNBC on, and feeling sickened, I turned it off...

I don’t blame you, the few times I have seen MSNBC it has made me sick also. Talk about political hacks making millions of dollars a year spreading partisan propaganda.

As for the hearings it’ll be similar to Kavanaugh’s. The right praising the judges background and the left brining up every piece of dirt and attempt to stop the proceedings.
 
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Because the right was foolish enough to try to confirm Barrett after 8 million votes have already been cast progressives are doing what they can to use this travesty to show voters that Republicans not only want to deprive 32 million people of healthcare but also want to set things up to "legislate from the bench" as their constituency of old white men and evangelical Christians becomes more and more outnumbered with each passing year.

Yes, the right is trying to make a big issue out of Democrats possibly trying to "stack" (aka "balance") the courts----but when Democratic voters see exactly what Barrett, who will hide her genocide of the uninsured behind the cloak of "originalism," has in store for them, they will be far more motivated.
 
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Because the right was foolish enough to try to confirm Barrett after 8 million votes have already been cast progressives are doing what they can to use this travesty to show voters that Republicans not only want to deprive 32 million people of healthcare but also want to set things up to "legislate from the bench" as their constituency of old white men and evangelical Christians becomes more and more outnumbered with each passing year.
The Constitution allows Trump to nominate ACB and allows the Republican senate to confirm the appointment. It makes sense to respect the law and pray she makes the right decisions.
 
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The Constitution allows Trump to nominate ACB and allows the Republican senate to confirm the appointment. It makes sense to respect the law and pray she makes the right decisions.
That is true. Of course the Constitution also allowed Obama to nominate Garland but the Republican Senate wouldn’t even give him a hearing.
 
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That is true. Of course the Constitution also allowed Obama to nominate Garland but the Republican Senate wouldn’t even give him a hearing.

That is true. It is not the first time a President nominated someone and the Senate has not appointed them. That is what happens when there is a split government
 
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That is true. It is not the first time a President nominated someone and the Senate has not appointed them. That is what happens when there is a split government
Yes, there have been nominees who were not confirmed. However, Garland was the only one I know of who wasn't even given a hearing in over 100 years. The man was qualified and he certainly deserved a hearing.

The Democrats are trying to block Trump's nominee in part because she is pro-life. Garland wasn't given a hearing because he was pro-choice. The only questions should be 1) is this person qualified and 2) has this person engaged in any activities that would disqualify them.
 
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Of course, there wouldn't be any opposition to having a hearing now had Garland been given a hearing during President Obama's final days in office. I'm sure the Democrats still wouldn't be fond of Judge Coney Barrett and would be giving her a hard time, but there would have been no question about having a hearing.
 
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The only questions should be 1) is this person qualified and 2) has this person engaged in any activities that would disqualify them.

Agreed - That is why I support her nomination.
 
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Your pipes are frozen. You need a plumber. The dispatcher sends an electrician. Are you going to "pray he makes the right decisions?"

After listening to the radio, I now know that not only have Barrett's writings indicated she will remove 32 million people from healthcare and overturn Roe v. Wade and gay marriage, she is also pro-gun, anti-consumer, pro-big business, and anti-environment.

And I am most concerned about the ACA, as are the Democratic senators. That case is being heard November 10th. We can neutralize her impact if need be as soon as the spring, certainly before next fall. We can't protect tens of millions of people during a pandemic.

These originalists are a bunch of hypocrites--they are "originalists" very selectively. A real originalist would only allow well-regulated militia members to own guns, and those guns would be muskets.

Hypocrites are people of bad character, and if she is pro-gun while claiming to be an "originalist" when it comes to saving people's lives, the only patriotic thing good Americans can do is to vote to neutralize her impact.
 
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People need to calm down a bit--actually, calm down a lot--about the Affordable Care Act here. Odds are astoundingly low it'll get struck down.

This is a pretty useful writeup for why:
The Affordable Care Act is Safe (even with Justice Barrett)

For those who don't want to read through the whole thing, here's perhaps the most critical portion:

"However, this lawsuit is silly. Don’t ask progressive legal analysts with a poor track record. Ask the conservative lawyers who built and supported the last couple cases against Obamacare! Jonathan Adler, who developed the argument in King v. Burwell, thinks this lawsuit is silly. Paul Clement, who argued NFIB v. Sebelius before the Supreme Court, thinks this lawsuit is silly. Republican attorneys general in Ohio and Montana — one of them a former clerk for Justice Scalia — both think this lawsuit is silly.

The only people backing this case, even on the Right, are elected Republicans trying to gin up anti-Obamacare sentiment (which, legality aside, is incredibly politically stupid right now).

There appear to be no votes on the Supreme Court in support of this case. Their severability doctrine precludes it. They have written about severability with this case pending and have nevertheless re-affirmed traditional doctrine, boxing themselves in on this case. Where they disagree about severability, it’s in a way that makes this case less likely to succeed, not more.

There is only one minor, partisan judge in the entire federal court system who has championed this case, which has reached the Supreme Court because of impatience, not seriousness.

Even many of the opponents of the ACA don’t think it should be taken seriously, and some have actively worked to fight this case.

Judge Barrett herself ruled on this case in a “moot court” academic exercise shortly before Justice Ginsburg’s death. Barrett was one of eight “judges” in the mock court, which split on the question of the mandate but ruled unanimously to uphold the Affordable Care Act as it stands today.

Your Obamacare is safe."

And that analysis, which I find persuasive enough, focuses only on the question of severability. It doesn't even mention another major problem with the new lawsuit: The difficulty in establishing standing (i.e. that you're injured by a law) over a law that has no penalty in the individual mandate anymore.

I can't blame the Democrats politically for trying to drum up fear about it, though--as unlikely as it is the Supreme Court will strike it down, the ACA is popular enough right now that it makes more sense to try to pound that drum than any other cards they might have to play here. But it's still not something to actually be afraid of.
 
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Former People of Praise member calls on Senators to allow her to testify at Amy Coney Barrett's confirmation haring

Barrett is sidestepping her membership (and leadership) in People of Praise, but:
The AP reported last month that it had reviewed 15 years of back issues of People of Praise's internal magazine, Vine and Branches, which had published birth announcements, photos and other mentors of Barrett and her family. All editions of the magazines have since been removed from the group's website..A photocopy of an undated membership directory obtained by The Times includes the Barretts and five of their seven children. Amy Coney Barrett is also listed in the directory as a "handmaid" (advisors who are now known as "women leaders") for one of the group's divisions in South Bend. And according to the Associated Press, Barrett served as a trustee at the People of Praise-affiliated Trinity Schools Inc as recently as 2017.

Here is some of what the member who escaped the cult said:
In the letter, Theill said she joined a group in Corvallis, Oregon that was "formally absorbed" into the People of Praise community in 1982.
"The entire time I was there, I was under the control of men and subjected to psychological abuse, including undue influence, threats, shaming, and shunning by leaders and my husband," she wrote.
"Coercive persuasion was used on my children to turn them against me. My husband and community leaders used coercive control, isolation and intimidation to strip me of my personhood, safety and freedoms guaranteed to me as a United States citizen. They also launched a smear campaign when I finally got the courage to leave."

If this religious cult is so innocuous, why have they taken such pains to hide Barrett's membership and leadership, and why does she deny her membership?
 
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I have had two experiences with members of the People of Praise spanned forty years apart. In the 1970's, I lived and worked in South Bend, IN, where I had several friends and co-workers who were members of the People of Praise. Their view of how headship and submission worked in the community was never going to be my cup of tea nor was their emphasis on charismatic gifts. Be that as it may, the friends I had who embraced those things were good Christian folk and I saw the fruit of Christ in their lives on a daily basis. Although we had different approaches to Christianity, I took no issue with them nor did they with me. They were fine folks.

Forty years later I had a business encounter with a couple who were part of the People of Praise in another Indiana community. We had conversation about how headship and submission worked in their marriage given what I thought their community's stance was on it from when I had last contact in 1980. They said that the community had relaxed that in more recent years. From what I could see, they had a more egalitarian marriage. The wife of that couple was a strong woman who was never going to let herself be dominated by her spouse, or anyone for that matter. That's my experience, for your consideration. I thought I'd mention that as example that the anecdote above from 1982 may no longer be applicable.
 
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she will remove 32 million people from healthcare
That's a bit overdramatic.

and overturn Roe v. Wade and gay marriage
Are you in favor of abortion and gay-marriage? If so, how do you reconcile that with being a Catholic, as the Church teaches against those?

And I am most concerned about the ACA, as are the Democratic senators. That case is being heard November 10th. We can neutralize her impact if need be as soon as the spring, certainly before next fall. We can't protect tens of millions of people during a pandemic.
Is this honestly what you think, or are you just blindly regurgitating the Democrat party line?
 
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I merely added the cases in which she might be the deciding vote.

My opinion is based on whether she will do more harm than good--and I have no doubt she will.

As to a Catholic's having to be a single issue voter, that is no longer the case. As Pope Francis said, " we are called to inform conscience, not replace them."
 
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If the People of Praise had changed so much why would someone come forward now if her experience were no longer the case?

And why is the group taking so many pains to hide Barrett's membership?

It was often said that Scalia belonged to Opus Dei.
I don't know if he was or wasn't, but the wearing of a choice could have accounted for his callous court decisions.
 
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Statistics show they are more educated, and black and white authoritarian thinking is certainly not a mark of intelligence.
My opinionof Barrett t is that she has a mind like a steel trap and that she is very able to compartmentalize, thereby rationalizing her complicity in human suffering.
 
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