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No that is not true. Jesus is forever both God and man in One Person.

So who died ?

Clearly the mortal human body He incarnated into died and was resurrected.

For three days Jesus’ spirit descended into the lowest parts of the earth, and preached to OT saints who’s spirits were imprisoned in Abraham’s Bosom, who were awaiting messiah to atone for sins, so they could ascend to heaven.

Then He rose again, in an immortal body.
 
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For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch… And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.” Malachi 4:1,3

Their physical bodies will be burned up, when Jesus comes with flaming fire, to destroy the wicked, at His return.

Your clue is that their bodies will be ASHES. Spirits have no flesh to burn up and turn to ashes,
 
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And you know this how? You have been there and heard it? You know exactly what the state of the dead is? How do you know that once the wicked see the reality of their actions, they will not be willing to repent? Once they see the beauty of God and the futility of sin, will they not desire to be with Christ and accept His chastizement?


Lucifer saw the beauty of God.
 
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The fire does not burn for eternity ... quenched means it can't be put out .... not that it burns forever (throughout eternity)



The Catholic church did/does promote burning in hell for eternity ... many protestant ones as well. Many of the early protestants were those who had left the catholic church and disagreed with various teachings of the catholic church.

The bible wasn't available to the common man for a long time ... much less available in all the different languages. So ... many of the early protestants still had "baggage" from previous teachings ... and to this day many protestants are still carrying this "baggage". God gives new light to every generation.

The "burn in hell forever" belief is a "spin off" from another belief and that is that we have an immortal soul ... that is ... something that continues to consciously exist after our earthly death. This teaching is straight out of Egypt and is not what His word teaches. All are indeed dormant (know nothing) in the grave until His return and the 1st resurrection happens.

The "burn in hell for eternity" is one of the most terrible teachings there is .... many turn away from God because of it ... they turn away from the idea of a God that would do such a thing ... and rightfully so. God is NOT a torturer.

We humans know instinctively torture of any kind is not "ok" ... much less for eternity ... no way a loving God would do this. Yes, there will be multitudes that are annihilated at the very end, necessary to eradicate sin forever (for eternity). This is not what the Lord desires .... but he does not violate anyone's free choice decision and gives them over to their desires.



I know EXACTLY what you are saying ... bothered me for many years of my life until I studied it out myself and found the truth.

Always remember only HE knows the heart and desires as many as possible will enter His kingdom.

Thank the Lord He is bringing you to the truth and may He continue to do so. Amen.

Many verses about asleep in the grave ... if you want them ... let me know. Many have posted them many many times.

May the Lord give everyone light as we study His word. Amen.

I tend to agree with eleos1954 that unrepentant sinners are not eternally tortured. (“burn in hell forever”)

Also (from a previous thread), IMO, there are female angels in eternal heaven, hidden by God the creator from the lusts of men.

The unholy attempts of moral degradation was probably the reason the fallen angels rebelled and were kicked out of heaven. Hell might be an interim place until the “second death” – “death and hell are cast into the lake of fire.” Unrepentant sinners will follow the “broad and wide way that leads to destruction.” (Matthew 7:13)

the faithful will be with Jesus in eternal heaven (after the final millenium on earth)
 
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I believe the more important thing beyond just how someone lived was what they knew. There are billions of people who never heard the name Yeshua in their life. As such, God judges people based on what they know, not on how moral their lives were. It is in how wise a person lives that they are judged, meaning, if you know a lot about the scriptures, but do not act on what you know, then you might find yourself in the same camp as the unbeliever who lived a moral life.
 
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You keep saying this.....give me a quote from Jesus where he discusses eternal torment. You can't.
Where have I ever said anything about "eternal torment?" What I have done, more than once, is quote Matthew 25:46, i.e. "eternal punishment." and other verses, spoken by Jesus, which you have ignored. Evidently they don't fit your narrative. See e.g. my [post #56], above.
 
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Where have I ever said anything about "eternal torment?" What I have done, more than once, is quote Matthew 25:46, i.e. "eternal punishment." and other verses, spoken by Jesus, which you have ignored. Evidently they don't fit your narrative. See e.g. my [post #56], above.
What exactly is YOUR "narrative?"
What are you attempting to teach?
What happens to the unsaved? How do they spend eternity?
 
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I am 72 years old and have been a born again Christian most of my life. Until a few years ago, I had never heard of the theology of annihilationism. I had been taught that the unbeliever suffers eternally in the fires of Hell. I've always had a problem with that and I've talked to God about it. I just have a lot of trouble believing that a just and righteous God would have someone suffer for eternity simply because they chose to to live their life without Jesus as Lord. I was riding a train from St Louis, MO to Kansas City, MO when I read about annihilationism for the first time. I was fascinated and I read the complete article and the scriptural references that really seemed to show that unbelievers are annihilated in Hell, not left to burn in the fire for eternity.

I know this is a very controversial subject and I know that most people reading this do not accept the teaching of annihilationism. After studying it thoroughly for years, I can only say that I am 90% convinced of its reality. I believe all the study on this subject breaks down to two important questions:

#1 - It is obvious that there is a fire in Hell that cannot be quenched and burns for eternity according The Word. The annihilationist simply says that although the Fire is eternal, that does not mean that the unbeliever will continually burn in the fire and never burn up. ***Rather, the person, (body, soul, and spirit) are thrown into the fire and only suffer long enough for their body, soul, and spirit to be totally annihilated.
#2 - As I understand it, suffering for eternity in Hell was a theology created by the Catholic church to frighten the people into serving the church and avoiding this eternal punishment. Also, the Old Testament seems to describe Hell as simply going into darkness and then into eternal sleep.

I'm not a good enough Bible student to set forth the scriptures that are in question here. There are many articles on the internet that show in detail why some believe in annihilationism over eternal suffering. I know God is eternal and we cannot put Him in a box of our own belief system but when I study all of the other attributes of God, the idea of making the spirits of people suffer for eternity has never seemed to me to fit with His other attributes. All I can do is hope that the annihilationists are right because I don't want to think about people who were actually pretty good people suffering for eternity. We all know some very gentle, loving people who simply have decided they don't need Jesus but otherwise live a moral life. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Maybe it would be better to ponder this. It is God's Will that No One perish, but that all come unto repentance.

Now ask yourself: "how important is the Will of God?"

If God Wills that no one perish.....Why think about anyone perishing?

Lets focus on the Joys of Heaven instead. Amen.
 
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Their physical bodies will be burned up, when Jesus comes with flaming fire, to destroy the wicked, at His return.

Your clue is that their bodies will be ASHES. Spirits have no flesh to burn up and turn to ashes,

When He returns the 1st resurrections happens .... those alive on earth at that time are destroyed (heavens disappear & earth burned up_

Jesus is going to descend from the skies as visibly, as tangibly, as He ascended (see Acts 1:11). Revelation says, “Every eye will see him” (1:7). Paul tells us “the Lord Jesus [will be] revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels” (2 Thessalonians 1:7). And Peter says, “The heavens will disappear with a roar” and the earth will be burned up (2 Peter 3:10).

Jesus Himself described the event: “‘As lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. The Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds the sky, with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:27, 30).

Your clue is that Jesus is an example of what happens ...

Luke 24:39
Berean Study Bible
Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

1 John 3:2
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Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

There is nothing immortal about us .... we become immortal when He returns and we are changed ... that's the whole point about Jesus and all that He did/does for us .... making/changing us into a immortal state of being and spending eternity with Him ... and that happens when He returns.

Likewise ... those in the 2nd resurrection (from the grave) will NOT receive immortality ... they DO NOT live forever (burning in hell or otherwise) and are destroyed ... for eternity
 
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Maybe it would be better to ponder this. It is God's Will that No One perish, but that all come unto repentance.
Now ask yourself: "how important is the Will of God?"
If God Wills that no one perish.....Why think about anyone perishing?
Lets focus on the Joys of Heaven instead. Amen.
Very noble sentiments, indeed. But how many people do we all see on almost a daily basis who will not be saved unless they call on Jesus? In some Muslim countries Christians are being slaughtered regularly. In Turkey recently an ancient Christian church was converted to a Muslim mosque. The seven churches in Revelation were all in what is modern Turkey.
Here is a link to an article where a Muslim Imam, religious leader, found the Jesus of Christianity in the Quran.
Imam found Jesus by studying the Koran, paid a price for rejecting Islam | God Reports
Here is an interesting quote from the article.

He studied the Koran exhaustively for an answer. “When I read it, the name of the Prophet Mohammad I found in the Koran in four places, but the name of Jesus I found in 25 places,” he told HM Television.
He began to wonder, Why does the Koran give more preference to (the name of) Jesus?
 
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When He returns the 1st resurrections happens .... those alive on earth at that time are destroyed (heavens disappear & earth burned up_

Jesus is going to descend from the skies as visibly, as tangibly, as He ascended (see Acts 1:11). Revelation says, “Every eye will see him” (1:7). Paul tells us “the Lord Jesus [will be] revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels” (2 Thessalonians 1:7). And Peter says, “The heavens will disappear with a roar” and the earth will be burned up (2 Peter 3:10).

Jesus Himself described the event: “‘As lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. The Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds the sky, with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:27, 30).

Your clue is that Jesus is an example of what happens ...

Luke 24:39
Berean Study Bible
Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

1 John 3:2
English Standard Version
Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

There is nothing immortal about us .... we become immortal when He returns and we are changed ... that's the whole point about Jesus and all that He did/does for us .... making/changing us into a immortal state of being and spending eternity with Him ... and that happens when He returns.

Likewise ... those in the 2nd resurrection (from the grave) will NOT receive immortality ... they DO NOT live forever (burning in hell or otherwise) and are destroyed ... for eternity

No one is given immortality - the spirit is already eternal, and cannot be destroyed, anymore than God, who is a spirit, could be destroyed.

Scripture plainly states that the body and soul is destroyed in hell - conspicuously missing is it saying the spirit is destroyed.

Scripture clearly says the damned are conscious and in torment for eternity.

And FYI the earth is not totally burned up and destroyed- one fourth of the earth is burned up.

Just as the earth was destroyed by water, per scripture, but is the same planet, the earth will be cleansed by fire, then restored to edenic condition, but is the same planet.

Read Zechariah 14 and you will see that after Jesus returns and destroys the armies of the nations that are attacking Jerusalem, the people left alive from those nations, will come into Jerusalem each year to worship God, who establishes His home there for eternity.

Therefore the world can’t have been completely burned up and destroyed when Jesus returns in verse 5 of Zechariah 14.

Also if you buy into annihilationism, you also no doubt believe that hell is the grave,which can be completely be disproved by scripture
 
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When He returns the 1st resurrections happens .... those alive on earth at that time are destroyed (heavens disappear & earth burned up_

Until I was shown by my pastor, I used to get the two new heavens and new earths confused with one another. I did not realize it speaks of two different 'new heavens and new earths."

The first new heavens and earth are burned up after the Millennium ends. Before then, the Lord will transform the earth for his thousand year reign. Its during that time that the lion will lie down with the lamb, and men will learn war no more. That will be the first, "new heavens and new earth."

When those thousand years of the Millennium are up? Satan is released from prison to stir up a rebellion on earth. That ends... and then the Lord will take the first new heavens and earth and cause the equivalent to nuclear fusion/fission to explode in fire all that creation.

Then... After the flames have died down. We enter into the last new creation of the new heavens and new earth. This time.. Being called - "the home of righteousness." A creation where righteousness will always feel right at home forever. 2 Peter 3:13
 
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No one is given immortality - the spirit is already eternal, and cannot be destroyed, anymore than God, who is a spirit, could be destroyed.

Scripture plainly states that the body and soul is destroyed in hell - conspicuously missing is it saying the spirit is destroyed.

Scripture clearly says the damned are conscious and in torment for eternity.

And FYI the earth is not totally burned up and destroyed- one fourth of the earth is burned up.

Just as the earth was destroyed by water, per scripture, but is the same planet, the earth will be cleansed by fire, then restored to edenic condition, but is the same planet.

Read Zechariah 14 and you will see that after Jesus returns and destroys the armies of the nations that are attacking Jerusalem, the people left alive from those nations, will come into Jerusalem each year to worship God, who establishes His home there for eternity.

Therefore the world can’t have been completely burned up and destroyed when Jesus returns in verse 5 of Zechariah 14.

Also if you buy into annihilationism, you also no doubt believe that hell is the grave,which can be completely be disproved by scripture

Scripture plainly states that the body and soul is destroyed in hell - conspicuously missing is it saying the spirit is destroyed.

SPIRIT
Judges 15:19; Ecclesiastes 12:7;
Luke 10:21

In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word ruach occurs 377 times and is translated "wind ... .. breath," or "spirit" (Genesis 8: 1), "life principle" (Genesis 6:17; Genesis 7:22), "courage" (Joshua 2:11), "vitality" or "strength" (Judges 15:19), "disposition" (Isaiah 54:6), and "moral character" (Ezekiel 11:19).

The "spirit" or "breath" of a person is identical with the "spirit" or "breath" of animals (Ecclesiastes 3:19). This "spirit" or "breath" of a person returns to God at the time of death, and the body returns to the dust where it came from (Job 34:14; Ecclesiastes 12:7). It is also translated "Spirit of God" (Isaiah 63:10). In the New Testament the Greek word pneuma is similarly translated as "spirit" or "to breathe." It is also translated as ,"mood," "attitude," or "state of feeling" (Romans 8:15; 1 Corinthians 4:21; 2 Timothy 1:7; 1 John 4:6). Like ruach, it is sometimes translated "Spirit of God" (1 Corinthians. 2:11, 14; Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews. 2:4; 1 Peter 1:12; 2 Peter 1:21).

Neither in the Old Testament nor the New Testament does ruach or pneuma refer to an intelligent entity capable of existence apart from the body.

Scripture clearly says the damned are conscious and in torment for eternity.

Then He makes them (the unsaved) immortal in a burning "hell" for eternity? Who is this monstrous god being put forth by some? Where is this "burning hell" located? How happy are those in heaven going to be knowing some of their friends and/or family are burning (being tortured for eternity)? What or who keeps this fire burning for eternity? God? Are they dead or are they alive? Must be alive. So God keeps them alive so they can be tortured for eternity? Good Grief! No.

2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

And then this promise is given:

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

So the wicked will perish and we see that this fire is so consuming that it also destroys the elements.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare

But then after everything is destroyed in this way, God creates a new Heavens and Earth where righteousness and the righteous dwell.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

But then some argue that the human soul cannot be destroyed because he made man as an eternal creature. Thus his soul cannot be destroyed and this fire and will instead, perpetually burn and the soul of a wicked man will suffer the flame for all eternity. But scripture teaches differently to this idea of eternal suffering in Hell. Besides contradicting what we just read about the destruction of the ungodly in the above verses, it is clear from this verse that everything is destroyed and a new creation comes into being. However, even more condemning for the ‘eternal soul’ view is the following scripture. It clearly shows that God in his mercy spared man the fate of living forever because of his sin.

And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Clearly God the merciful stopped man from eating the tree of life after he sinned, thus sparing him from living forever. Besides merciful act by God, surely you can see that God is able to destroy a man’s soul and that he will indeed do this very thing. This is all written. We either accept it or doubt the scriptures that clearly show this.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

& The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Do you believe now, that God can and will destroy the wicked forever? Do you believe that he spared the wicked from existing for all eternity? You should believe that if you believe the scriptures.

And FYI the earth is not totally burned up and destroyed- one fourth of the earth is burned up.

See above.

Read Zechariah 14 and you will see that after Jesus returns and destroys the armies of the nations that are attacking Jerusalem, the people left alive from those nations, will come into Jerusalem each year to worship God, who establishes His home there for eternity.

The NEW Jerusalem descends from heaven ... it's not about the earthly Jerusalem of today on earth.

Revelation 21:2
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I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The war is between God and Satan ... and final judgement is He destroys all the wicked, satan and his minions for eternity .... sin totally eradicated for eternity.

Like in the days of Noah ..... Noah and a few were saved .... the rest destroyed by the flood.

2 Peter 3:7 E
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

2 Peter 3:12
Waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!
 
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No one is given immortality - the spirit is already eternal, and cannot be destroyed, anymore than God, who is a spirit, could be destroyed.

Immortality speaks not of spirit, nor our soul. Immortality speaks of the type of body to be given to clothe our souls for us to experience the wonders of living and experiencing the sensations of the new creations yet to be.

If you think the physical body is not important to constitute being alive? Look at the demons Jesus cast out of Legion. They even preferred being inside of a pig's body than over having no body!


For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on
immortality.
So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
1 Cor 15:53-55

Our resurrection bodies can never die! Immortality "being alive!" Lake of fire will be souls only existing forever. Wishing to even indwell a body of a pig to feel alive.

Our souls were created to exist forever (when created in God's image). Our souls in our resurrection body will be experiencing a constant, absolutely exhilarating life, sensed while living in the new creations.

Never to die. Never to sleep. "Death, where is your sting?"
 
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Neither in the Old Testament nor the New Testament does ruach or pneuma refer to an intelligent entity capable of existence apart from the body....
I would suggest some further study on this topic.
…..There are, at least, seventy three (73) personal characteristics or attributes, listed in scripture for the Holy Spirit and He is a person the same as the Father and the Son are, within the Trinity.

Names of the Spirit (7)
1. God -Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4, Acts of the Apostles 28:25-27, Hebrews 3:7-11, Hebrews 10:15-17
2. Lord - 2 Corinthians 3:18
3. Spirit - 1 Corinthians 2:10
4. Spirit of God - 1 Corinthians 3:16
5. Spirit of Truth - John 15:26
6. Eternal Spirit - Hebrews 9:14
7. Spirit of Jesus – Acts of the Apostles 16:7
Attributes of (9)
7. Eternal –Hebrews 9:14
8. Omnipotent - Luke 1:35
9. Omnipresent - Psalms 139:7-8
10. Distinct will from the father and the son– 1 Corinthians 12:11

1 Cor 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
11. Loves - Romans 15:30
12. Speaks - Acts of the Apostles 8:29; Acts of the Apostles 13:2
13. Distinct mind from the father and the son– Romans 8:27

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
14. Distinct self from the father and the son – John 16:13
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
15. Alive – John 14:17
Symbols of (3)
16. Dove - Matthew 3:15
17. Wind - John 3:5
18. Fire - Acts of the Apostles 2:3
Sins Against (6)
19. Blasphemy - Matthew 12:31
20. Resist (Unbelief) - Acts of the Apostles 7:51
21. Insult - Hebrews 10:29
22. Lied to - Acts of the Apostles 5:3
23. Grieved - Ephesians 4:30
24. Quench - 1 Thessalonians 5:19
Power in Christ's Life (6)
25. Conceived of - Matthew 1:18-20
26. Baptism - Matthew 3:15
27. Led by - Luke 4:1
28. Filled with Power - Luke 4:14,18
29. Witness of Jesus - John 15:26
30. Raised Jesus - Romans 8:11
The Works of the Holy Spirit (42)
1 Access to God - Ephesians 2:18

2 Anoints for Service - Luke 4:18
3 Assures - Romans 8:15-16; Galatians 4:6
4 Authors Scripture - 2 Peter 1:20-21
5 Baptizes - John 1:32-34; 1 Corinthians 12:13-14
6 Believers Born of - John 3:3-6
7 Calls and Commissions - Acts of the Apostles 13:24; Acts of the Apostles 20:28
8 Cleanses - 2 Thessalonians 3:13; 1 Peter 1:2
9 Comforts - Acts of the Apostles 9:31
10 Communion with believers – 2 Corinthians 13:14
11 Convicts of sin - John 16:9,14
12 Counsels - John 14:16
13 Creates - Genesis 1:2; Job 33:4
14 Empowers - 1 Thessalonians 1:5
15 Empowers Believers - Luke 24:49
16 Fellowship with believers – Philippians 2:1
17 Fills - Acts of the Apostles 2:4; Acts of the Apostles 4:29-31; Acts of the Apostles 5:18-20; Acts of the Apostles 9:17
18 Forbids action - Acts of the Apostles 16:6
19 Gives gifts - 1 Corinthians 12:8-11
20 Glorifies Christ - John 16:14
21 Guides in truth - John 16:13
22 Helps our weakness - Romans 8:26
23 Indwells believers - Romans 8:9-14; Galatians 4:6
24 Inspires prayer – Ephesians 6:18; Jude 1:20
25 Intercedes -Romans 8:26
26 Interprets Scripture - 1 Corinthians 2:1,14; Ephesians 1:17
27 Leads - Romans 8:14
28 Liberates - Romans 8:2
29 Molds Character - Galatians 5:22-23
30 Produces fruit - Galatians 5:22-23
31 Raises from the dead - Romans 8:11
32 Regenerates - Titus 3:5
33 Reveals – Luke 2:26
34 Sanctifies - Romans 15:16
35 Seals - Ephesians 1:13-14; Ephesians 4:30
36 Sends - Acts of the Apostles 13:4
37 Sent - Galatians 4:6; 1 Peter 1:12
38 Strengthens - Ephesians 3:16; Acts of the Apostles 1:8; 2:4; 1 Corinthians 2:4
39 Testifies of Jesus - John 15:26
40 Victory over flesh - Romans 8:2-4; Galatians 4:6
41 Warns – Acts of the Apostles 20:23
42 Worship helper – Philippians 3:3
[92] Total scripture
Sources Consulted:
CARM.org

DTL.org/Trinity
 
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SPIRIT
Judges 15:19; Ecclesiastes 12:7;
Luke 10:21

In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word ruach occurs 377 times and is translated "wind ... .. breath," or "spirit" (Genesis 8: 1), "life principle" (Genesis 6:17; Genesis 7:22), "courage" (Joshua 2:11), "vitality" or "strength" (Judges 15:19), "disposition" (Isaiah 54:6), and "moral character" (Ezekiel 11:19).

Just look how many ways we can use the word "spirit" in our own language and culture. Its meaning will totally depend upon the context in which it is found.

That is why one can not grab a meaning in word studies in one context and impose it upon another situation.

You know how the United States was founded?

spirti-of-1776-jan-mecklenburg.jpg
 
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I am 72 years old and have been a born again Christian most of my life. Until a few years ago, I had never heard of the theology of annihilationism. I had been taught that the unbeliever suffers eternally in the fires of Hell. I've always had a problem with that and I've talked to God about it. I just have a lot of trouble believing that a just and righteous God would have someone suffer for eternity simply because they chose to to live their life without Jesus as Lord. I was riding a train from St Louis, MO to Kansas City, MO when I read about annihilationism for the first time. I was fascinated and I read the complete article and the scriptural references that really seemed to show that unbelievers are annihilated in Hell, not left to burn in the fire for eternity.

I know this is a very controversial subject and I know that most people reading this do not accept the teaching of annihilationism. After studying it thoroughly for years, I can only say that I am 90% convinced of its reality. I believe all the study on this subject breaks down to two important questions:

#1 - It is obvious that there is a fire in Hell that cannot be quenched and burns for eternity according The Word. The annihilationist simply says that although the Fire is eternal, that does not mean that the unbeliever will continually burn in the fire and never burn up. ***Rather, the person, (body, soul, and spirit) are thrown into the fire and only suffer long enough for their body, soul, and spirit to be totally annihilated.
#2 - As I understand it, suffering for eternity in Hell was a theology created by the Catholic church to frighten the people into serving the church and avoiding this eternal punishment. Also, the Old Testament seems to describe Hell as simply going into darkness and then into eternal sleep.

I'm not a good enough Bible student to set forth the scriptures that are in question here. There are many articles on the internet that show in detail why some believe in annihilationism over eternal suffering. I know God is eternal and we cannot put Him in a box of our own belief system but when I study all of the other attributes of God, the idea of making the spirits of people suffer for eternity has never seemed to me to fit with His other attributes. All I can do is hope that the annihilationists are right because I don't want to think about people who were actually pretty good people suffering for eternity. We all know some very gentle, loving people who simply have decided they don't need Jesus but otherwise live a moral life. Do you understand what I'm saying?
 
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For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on
immortality.

That’s talking about our mortal body, that one day will be replaced by an immortal one. Thathappened with Jesus already - but He already had an immortal spirit, as do we all.

Spirits are immortal and will spend eternity one of two places.
 
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:scratch: .... he told us not to read any other translation other than the KJV.



Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great
mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
1 Peter 1:3

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of
imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God."
1 Peter 1:23​



Want to use the KJV only? He said it can not be found in the KJV.



Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according
to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead." 1 Peter 1:3



Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the
word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."1 Peter 1:23


What a mistake that video made.... sorry.


If we were not born again by the Spirit into being a new creation? Just born again? (as the video tries to tell us it would be?) Being born again would be like the movie Ground Hog Day. We would be still our old selves being born over again. There would be no sense in telling anyone to be born again if that were the case.

When we are born the first time God imputes our human soul to our body. Spiritually dead. No human spirit.

When we are born again? God imputes a human spirit to our soul and body that was born the first time. You do become a new creature in function! In that way we become a new creation. A new spiritual species!

OT saints were always born again when they believed. In the NT we are now born again and given the additional gift of the Holy Spirit. We now have a new spiritual function by means of being controllable by the Holy Spirit that OT saints never had. Both were born again just the same.

grace and truth...
 
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