Civil war If trump isn't elected

Pommer · Oct 12, 2020

hedrick said:
There are so many restrictions in states, and more coming, that Rowe v Wade is effectively dead now. If she is serious about it being settled law, she will help fix this. If so, she'll be an unusual conservative.

I consider the third trimester significant from a theological perspective, not a medical one. It's the earliest point where the brain begins to function in a way that I would consider essential in making us in the image of God, as opposed to other animals. I think it's dangerous in the long run to consider anything with human DNA to be a person.

Let’s us exit the “abortion” subthread because they never go well.

Belk · Oct 12, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
She has proven on the bench to judge according to law, and not religious beliefs.

She even mentioned in one of her judgements that she sees Roe V Wade as a matter of settled law, but she does see the way they worded their SCOTUS decision to leave late term abortion as something that may need further examination..

You should actually pay attention to the way she judges, not the way she believes. You'll see how she interprets law, I see it as quite just... she's pretty good, not an extremist by any stretch of the imagination.

You do realize that all legal judgements are a matter of interpretation, correct? That there is no metric by which a interpretation can be measured as "true" or "false"?

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 12, 2020

I guess to be honest, I have lost all faith in the American people.

rambot · Oct 12, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
Let's say for the sake of argument that the PB looses their stuff if Biden gets elected. How many are there anyway? 20? 30?

Big deal. They get arrested and the story is done.

The only thing that would ever set off the right to the point of readying for war is to start changing the constitution in an unconstitutional manner, such as adding to the number of SCOTUS justices in order to get partisan judges in, such as removing people's 2A freedoms in large part etc etc.

Biden simply winning isn't the issue, the issue is if that creates the environment where a change in our constitution occurs, unconstitutionally...

If Biden wins legitimately I'm happy with that if it's what people choose... I'm not happy with major changes to our constitution.. our system works and I'll die before I'll sit and live under a Marxist/Leninist system. That's just a fact.

This is why it's important to know what Biden actually plans, and he's not sharing - not very transparent that.

I'd rather a jerk who tells me upfront what he thinks and wants to do than a smooth talker who hides his intentions.

FBI: Groups like the proud boys are the greatest threat to America.

Person on internet trying to make a point: Meh....the PRoud boys are nothing...no big deal.

Sparagmos · Oct 12, 2020

Charlie24 said:
Meanwhile The Daily Beast reported this week that a coalition of leftist groups is planning for a "political apocalypse" of violence and chaos if Biden fails to win. "Occupy sh*t, hold space, and shut things down, not just on Election Day but for weeks," a source described the coalition's effort, dubbed the "Democracy Defense Nerve Center."

Fox News host says if Trump wins "there will be blood everywhere"

I know people involved in those talks and they are being grossly misrepresented. Plans are for NON-VIOLENT protest, and any talk of violence is around how to handle violence from militias and Trump supporters.

rambot · Oct 12, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
The number might not be specified, but judging according to law most certainly is, not the law as we might like it to be, but as it is written.

The one branch of government that is supposed to be non-partisan but judge according to law is a real problem to the left.

*How many lower court judges were stalled during obama, only to be FLOODED in by Trump and his administration.
*Why did we wait for Mr Garland if the right never feels that way?

Good heavens. What a silly label you tried to pin on the chest of "leftists" there.

Pommer · Oct 12, 2020

Akita Suggagaki said:
I guess to be honest, I have lost all faith in the American people.

We’re still “good people”; we’ll get through these “interesting times” just fine..it’ll be the “getting through” that’ll be rough, but we will muddle through somehow.

Charlie24 · Oct 12, 2020

Sparagmos said:
I know people involved in those talks and they are being grossly misrepresented. Plans are for NON-VIOLENT protest, and any talk of violence is around how to handle violence from militias and Trump supporters.

I honestly don't know, I will take your word for it.

If Trump wins and this group does not create chaos, then you were right.

Sparagmos · Oct 12, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
I am in the rural south I do not think you want to come here with crap we WILL shoot you.

C’mon, Dogs. This sounds like a threat. Do you really want people to be shot? Antifa is not going to visit your rural area, and even if they did they wouldn’t be doing anything that warrants the death penalty.

SeventyOne said:
All I can say is they it would be prudent to purchase food and ammo in the next few weeks.

Why would they need ammo?

Sparagmos · Oct 12, 2020

Pommer said:
Let’s see some evidence that “the left” has issued threats of anarchy.
And some links for these “cities burned”.

I’m told that my city was burned, like THE WORST but somehow here we are going to brunch and shopping for things to put a bird on and mobbing the farmers markets for exotic mushrooms and bespoke kombucha.

FireDragon76 · Oct 12, 2020

Caliban said:
The police and military will not fight. They are not all brainless conservative operatives. The military leadership is a healthy mix of right and left. There could be some outlier Sheriff departments in conservative counties who react strongly, but that will be an impotent effort.

I don't think there could be a civil war, either, but a terrorist insurgency is certainly possible.

Caliban · Oct 12, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
I don't think there could be a civil war, either, but a terrorist insurgency is certainly possible.

I think there is good reason to think this could happen--it's crazy that it is just as likely to come from the fanatical left or right.

FireDragon76 · Oct 12, 2020

Caliban said:
I think there is good reason to think this could happen--it's crazy that it is just as likely to come from the fanatical left or right.

Right wing insurgency is much more likely. Since the Oklahoma City bombing, over 500 people in the US have been killed by far-right extremist and anti-government groups. The number killed by people associated with Antifa can be counted on one hand.

Caliban · Oct 12, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
Right wing insurgency is much more likely. Since the Oklahoma City bombing, over 500 people in the US have been killed by far-right extremist and anti-government groups. The number killed by people associated with Antifa can be counted on one hand.

Very true!

dogs4thewin · Oct 12, 2020

Sparagmos said:
C’mon, Dogs. This sounds like a threat. Do you really want people to be shot? Antifa is not going to visit your rural area, and even if they did they wouldn’t be doing anything that warrants the death penalty.

Why would they need ammo?

The old saying is that is not a threat that is a promise. You pull that crap down here in rural GA you will get shot. It is not that we want to shoot people it is that we will defend our lives and property GA has stand your ground and the castle doctrine. You come here meaning harm to people ( or in some cases their property) it is legal for us to shoot you no duty to retreat.

durangodawood · Oct 12, 2020

Charlie24 said:
If you can't figure that out on your own, i know I can't explain it!

My mind reading power hit the lead shield around your brain that you built to keep stuff out.

Sparagmos · Oct 12, 2020

Caliban said:
Very true!

Plus, the “radical left” as I know them can’t agree on anything and are so anti-authority that they too often tear down their own leaders. And thus accomplish very little. Keep in mind I’m talking about farrrrr left.

Caliban · Oct 12, 2020

Sparagmos said:
Plus, the “radical left” as I know them can’t agree on anything and are so anti-authority that they too often tear down their own leaders. And thus accomplish very little. Keep in mind I’m talking about farrrrr left.

I think sporadic violence would be common on the left, but the right could cause more destruction because they are organized.

durangodawood · Oct 12, 2020

Caliban said:
I think sporadic violence would be common on the left, but the right could cause more destruction because they are organized.

Hmm. Could be. Think OK City. Or even 9-11, organized by fundamentalist radical conservatives.

SimplyMe · Oct 12, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
The number might not be specified, but judging according to law most certainly is, not the law as we might like it to be, but as it is written.

The one branch of government that is supposed to be non-partisan but judge according to law is a real problem to the left.

Sorry, I can't agree with that, at least that it is exclusive to the left. Republicans have been attempting to politicize the Supreme Court for decades, to try and get Roe v. Wade overturned (as well as other things). I was a delegate to a Republican state convention in the '90s and can remember it being talked about. And, as pointed out, McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate have done just that. If the Right cared for "non-partisan" they would have approved Garland (imminently qualified and moderate) or not been in such a rush to name and approve Barrett.

Hazelelponi said:
As far as listening to "right wing fear mongering" nope. I'm listening to the left and what they are saying -and doing - that's what makes it terrifying. If it were up to the left we'd be in the middle of an EU style trade agreement where a group of non elected people would have the ability to override congressional authority where concerns our immigration laws as well as our 2A freedoms...

So yeah. It's the left I find terrifying... due to their own actions and words... and lack of them.

So who on the "left" is saying they'll revolt if Trump is reelected? In that article I linked, it even talks about those Democratic groups that are planning non-violent action clearly stating they will "stand down" if Biden concedes the election.

And if the "left" was really going to do the things you claim, why didn't they do it while Obama was President?

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