Why does God want me to lie to Him?

Macchiato said:

This is true. I hate prosperity gospel bc it gets you addicted to what can do instead of just trusting in who He is. As i say this my own little baby is in thd ER and has been for some days. Life is what it is this earth isnt all there is.

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I'm sorry to hear that. I will say that I have a grandbaby who was born with a tear in his lung, and he was in nicu for a while after he was born and we weren't sure he would pull through... but he ended up doing very well, and is a healthy and happy child now.

I'll keep your baby in my prayers.

Hazelelponi said:

That was probably the most difficult thing I ever dealt with... but I don't know, I just placed her in God's hand, and trusted Him with her, in this life and the next.... plus, I just count it a blessing to have known her.

Without that mentality I doubt I could have survived it.

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Yeah thats a great mentality to have. I just dont know if i could be that strong esp if i lose my baby as a baby. I dont want to get dark but somethings up with his blood and we have to see a hematologist.

Hazelelponi said:

I'm sorry to hear that. I will say that I have a grandbaby who was born with a tear in his lung, and he was in nicu for a while after he was born and we weren't sure he would pull through... but he ended up doing very well, and is a healthy and happy child now.

I'll keep your baby in my prayers.

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Macchiato said:

Yeah thats a great mentality to have. I just dont know if i could be that strong esp if i lose my baby as a baby. I dont want to get dark but somethings up with his blood and we have to see a hematologist.

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I had to decide very consciously how I was going to deal with it.

My doctor gave me antianxiety medication the last month of her life because I was kind of falling apart (Buspar) by then... and it was helpful for me to keep focus on what mattered, which was her.

Then after she died I couldn't get out of bed for days, couldn't really cope well.. well let's face it, I wasn't coping at all, if I was awake I was crying, and if not I was sleeping.

I had to make a conscious decision how I was going to go forward, and God was everything in that moment. Did I trust God, or was I going to die crying in a bed.

I placed all of it in God's hand and decided yes, I absolutely trusted Him. Then I moved forward in a manner that celebrated her life, celebrated the fact I got to be her mom, that God had entrusted me with such a child.

Certainly, she was 23 when she died, just a month after her 23rd birthday... but you can do the same even if your child passes young.. God entrusted you with this beautiful life however short, and thats something to celebrate because you showed them love, taught them every good thing in the time they were yours to teach and love..

And they taught you everything about what it means to truly love. That's an experience that's amazing, in and of itself and God gave you that gift. We just thank God for those gifts...

Questioning Brother said:

In the Bible we are repeatedly told to pray for the spiritual things, like strength, grace, favor etc and God’s will. Truthfully, I am sick of The spiritual things. And since His will for me apparently involves an intense amount of suffering, I don’t want that either. So why does He want a lying prayer?

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Have you ever tied to pray without asking for something?

Hazelelponi said:

I had to decide very consciously how I was going to deal with it.

My doctor gave me antianxiety medication the last month of her life because I was kind of falling apart (Buspar) by then... and it was helpful for me to keep focus on what mattered, which was her.

Then after she died I couldn't get out of bed for days, couldn't really cope well.. well let's face it, I wasn't coping at all, if I was awake I was crying, and if not I was sleeping.

I had to make a conscious decision how I was going to go forward, and God was everything in that moment. Did I trust God, or was I going to die crying in a bed.

I placed all of it in God's hand and decided yes, I absolutely trusted Him. Then I moved forward in a manner that celebrated her life, celebrated the fact I got to be her mom, that God had entrusted me with such a child.

Certainly, she was 23 when she died, just a month after her 23rd birthday... but you can do the same even if your child passes young.. God entrusted you with this beautiful life however short, and thats something to celebrate because you showed them love, taught them every good thing in the time they were yours to teach and love..

And they taught you everything about what it means to truly love. That's an experience that's amazing, in and of itself and God gave you that gift. We just thank God for those gifts...

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Wow this ia amazing ( dont want to derail this thread) but i wiill need alot of meds if anything happens to my kid. Ill probably respond to you by pm

Questioning Brother said:

In the Bible we are repeatedly told to pray for the spiritual things, like strength, grace, favor etc and God’s will. Truthfully, I am sick of The spiritual things. And since His will for me apparently involves an intense amount of suffering, I don’t want that either. So why does He want a lying prayer?

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My heart still goes out to your family situation, Questioning Brother. I hope you can find a measure of peace in your suffering. Don't be afraid to vent to the Lord. You don't have to "play church" with God. Just be honest.

Questioning Brother said:

I don’t want to be comforted. I want the cause of the suffering to be fixed. THAT would comfort me. No amount of words or arm around my shoulder type comforting will have an effect.

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Sometimes what we want is not a part of the "God's-masterful-plan" equation. What we want may not be what God has in mind. You have to make a choice. My plan or His plan. My ways or His ways. My timing or His timing.

By all means keep praying--be persistent---I hope she is healed by your persistent prayers. And I will pray for her too.

I think it is good for every believer to consider the worst and decide if they would still trust God if the worst happens. Know your bottom line so you can work on giving it all--inch by inch--if needed to the Lord.

Have you not heard what Jesus have said :
God is SPIRIT, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." -John 4:24

Why are you denying the things of the Spirit, that is, His strength, comfort and patience?

If you don’t need God’s healing, why you think that God will offend you by healing your wife.

If God doesn’t heal your wife like the way you believe, why are you angry with God ?
Why God has to consider what is enough for you ?

Questioning Brother said:

In the Bible we are repeatedly told to pray for the spiritual things, like strength, grace, favor etc and God’s will. Truthfully, I am sick of The spiritual things. And since His will for me apparently involves an intense amount of suffering, I don’t want that either. So why does He want a lying prayer?

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Who told you it’s Gods will for you to suffer?

Are you talking about physical sickness or disability?

God doesn’t put disease or sickness on anyone.

Macchiato said:

Wow this ia amazing ( dont want to derail this thread) but i wiill need alot of meds if anything happens to my kid. Ill probably respond to you by pm

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That's fine... I'm here if you need.

In all things give thanks to God, for this is His will for your life as you live in union with Christ.

Sorry to hear about your wife's illness, perhaps God can use you in making life more bearable for her by being His instrument of compassion, goodness, kindness and love, your wife will see Christ in you daily, she will increase in faith by seeing God use you to manifest His love to her. It will help as she grows hopeful daily, while patiently waiting for God's miracle healing in her body. Is she a Christian? if she is then I will urge you to rejoice that her name is written in the Book of life, that is what truly counts. God bless

xaris said:

Sorry for referring to the root cause. I seem to have a bad habit of drilling down to root causes.

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Same

Questioning Brother said:

2) she was and is the better Christian. Your scenario would make much more sense of the positions were reversed. I need the faith increase she is already there.

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How does she feel about her illness and the whole healing question?

Hazelelponi said:

That was probably the most difficult thing I ever dealt with... but I don't know, I just placed her in God's hand, and trusted Him with her, in this life and the next.... plus, I just count it a blessing to have known her.

Without that mentality I doubt I could have survived it.

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Wow. Sorry to hear that. I have never lost a child, well we did have a miscarriage. But I know that's still not as bad though. When I lost my aunt, she was my world. She was brutally murdered by her husband and at the time my Christianity was.... not so good. I didn't forgive the husband.

But on his deathbed (he had shot himself after and briefly survived for a few days in a coma), my dad talked to him and while he couldn't talk, my dad asked if he was sorry he killed her. A tear rolled down his eyes my dad said. Then he asked him if he wanted to become saved. More tears came down. After hearing that I forgave him. I realized many things at that time and become more forgiving.

Despite missing her every day, I hold no grudge against him anymore. I truly hope he made it to heaven.

It seems you do not understand the supreme worth of Christ.

Philippians 3:2-11 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. 3 For owe are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— 4 though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, wa Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. 7 But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 Indeed, I COUNT EVERYTHING AS LOSS BECAUSE OF THE SURPASSING WORTH OF KNOWING CHRIST JESUS MY LORD. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— 10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

Questioning Brother said:

In the Bible we are repeatedly told to pray for the spiritual things, like strength, grace, favor etc and God’s will. Truthfully, I am sick of The spiritual things. And since His will for me apparently involves an intense amount of suffering, I don’t want that either. So why does He want a lying prayer?

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Take the story of Joseph as an example, God told Joseph through a dream that he would rule, yet he was sold as a slave, if that was not low enough he was then put in prison. This did not look like rulership. Yet in the end of Joseph's story we see he did rule.

You are on a timeline, a timeline of testing. But if you hang in, you will have victory.

Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

honey badger said:

we are told to prey in spirit, which is to prey for His will, not our own ...

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Prey is what you are hunting for to devour. Pray is what you do before God.