The Snake in Eden is Probably Not the Devil

Dale · Oct 4, 2020

Bro.T said:
I believe I point that out already, not sure how you miss that one.

They are not decoration, they represent the Lord's way. The Lord always have angels around him to do his bidding. Let's take a look at Genesis 3: 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. The tree of life is the Lord and these are real cherubims, the Lord put there to block them. Let's take a look in Isaiah 37:16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.

Now let's take a look in the future. Let's go in Matthew 25: 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: So how absolute is all his angels. There's thousand of thousand upon thousands of angels coming with the Lord, so when you read about pictures angels drawing all over, its programming your mind what will be in the future, but in the third heaven where the Lord is right now, its like that. This is another example of the Lord's prayer in Matthew 5: 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in hea

The one who falls in Isaiah 14 can only be a mortal man, a mortal king.

18 All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
19 But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;
you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
20 you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.
Let the offspring of the wicked
never be mentioned again.
Isaiah 14:18-20 NIV

This passage is talking about Belshazzar, the last king of Babylon. It could not possibly refer to an angel or a former angel. Isaiah says of this person "you are cast out of your tomb" and "you will not join them in burial." The "offspring of the wicked" is also mentioned. This person has offspring and has a tomb prepared but after being "pierced by the sword" is never placed in his ornate tomb. Instead, his corpse is left exposed. This is not a spiritual being, it is not Satan.

Bro.T--2 · Oct 5, 2020

Dale said:
The one who falls in Isaiah 14 can only be a mortal man, a mortal king.

18 All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
19 But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;
you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
20 you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.
Let the offspring of the wicked
never be mentioned again.
Isaiah 14:18-20 NIV

This passage is talking about Belshazzar, the last king of Babylon. It could not possibly refer to an angel or a former angel. Isaiah says of this person "you are cast out of your tomb" and "you will not join them in burial." The "offspring of the wicked" is also mentioned. This person has offspring and has a tomb prepared but after being "pierced by the sword" is never placed in his ornate tomb. Instead, his corpse is left exposed. This is not a spiritual being, it is not Satan.

Isaiah 14 is the restoration of Israel its talking about the future. Lets take a look
1 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. 2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. 3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Let's do background work on Babylon and Israel...Israel have to serve Nebuchadnezzar for their transgressions, but also all nations had to serve him, and his son, and his son's son. As Israel goes, so goes the whole world. Who is Nebuchadnezzar and his sons? Nebuchadnezzar was the first Gentile world ruler and his kingdom was Babylon, which was represented by a Lion. Then followed the Medes and Persians (modern day Russia and Iran) which was represented by a Bear. Then followed the Greeks, which is represented by the Leopard. Then finally came Rome, which is currently in control of the world now and is represented as the wild beast or terrible beast. "Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them: I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.” (Hosea 13: 7-11)

So moving forward in Isaiah verse 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! This is happen in the past before man was created.

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: This always been Satan desire to go back to the third heaven. Every funeral Satan have people believing they go to heaven when they die.

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Never gonna happen

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Let's go and see this in Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; Notice the false prophet and the beast were in the lake of Fire before Satan, and here they meet face to face for the first time. So the rest of Isaiah is still talking cleaning of nation, the earth is a rest. The Lord tell us those evil nation done, he will deal with all that.
22 For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.
23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the Lord of hosts. I believe this is the last little battle, its a lot detail, we could of read that Satan was chain up before going in the Lake of Fire. But Satan is one who stir madness on the Earth.

Hope you got some understanding.

Bro.T--2 · Oct 5, 2020

Dale said:
I'm not sure why we are talking about Revelation. I did not contradict Revelation.

Apparently you are saying that Revelation 12 proves that the snake in Eden is the Devil.

Let's take a look at this.

In Revelation 12:3, there is red dragon with seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns. There is nothing like that in the Garden of Eden story. The dragon's tail sweeps a third of the stars in the sky (Revelation 12:4). Nothing like this happens in the Garden of Eden story, whether the stars are literal or figurative.

The dragon threatens a woman, who gives birth and flees to the wilderness for safety. (Revelation 12:4-6)

We are told that Satan, or the dragon, is leading "the whole world astray." (Revelation 12:9)

We are told that the Messiah has come (Revelation 12:10). Christians who are either martyrs or threatened with martyrdom have overcome by "the blood of the Lamb." (Revelation 12:11)

None of these things happen before Eve talks to the snake in Genesis 2. At this time there is no world with millions of people to be led astray, no one fleeing to the wilderness for safety and we know that the Messiah has not yet come.

I don't see how anyone thinks I am contradicting Revelation by pointing out that Genesis never says that the snake is the Devil.

Is anyone really looking at what Genesis says or does everyone just believe what they have been told?

Pay close attention and you will see that they operate through men in this case.
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. (Revelation 13:1-2)

This beast isn't Satan. This beast represents the entire Gentile dynasty. From Nebuchadnezzar to the ten nations that will make up the European Economic Community, which now I believe is call The Ten, that is gaining power at this very moment. Notice where the beast gets it power? The dragon which is Satan the devil gives this system its power.

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: (Revelation 12:1)

This women represents Israel, this can be found in Genesis the 37th chapter verses 9-10.

"And she is with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born." (Revelation 12:2-4)

Note what's being said. "And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads." In the 13th chapter of Revelation it stated the dragon gave the beast its power. This simply means Satan which is the dragon runs the Gentile dynasty or in other words he gave the beast his power.

In Daniel chapter 9 verse 26 you will see the children of the prince destroyed Jerusalem. Satan is the prince and the Gentiles are the children. The Gentiles destroyed Jerusalem in 70 a.d. headed up by the Roman General Titus.

Take another look at part of the verses above, this is Satan hard at work. "And the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born." This is what Satan is all about destruction. The child is Jesus; remember when He was born and the angel told Joseph to flee into Egypt because Herod sought the child's life? It wasn't Satan standing there himself; he tried to kill Jesus by the hand of Herod. Herod had no idea that Satan was behind this, his concern was his kingship. This is one reason you must try the spirits. How do you try the spirits? With the word of God. (EXAMPLE- Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,) so, what was Herod about to do? Commit murder.

chad kincham · Oct 9, 2020

Dale said:
The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.
Numbers 21: 5-9 NIV

Surely Moses did not mean to honor Satan by putting a bronze snake on a pole, to be seen by everyone in the camp of the Israelites. God would not tell Moses to do such a thing. The scripture specifically says that the snakes were sent by God, so they are not under the Devil's power.

This isn't just a piece of Old Testament trivia, it is referred to in the Gospels.

"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
John 3: 14-15 NIV

You do know, that the serpent on the pole represents Jesus on the cross “being made sin FOR us”, don’t you?

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

chad kincham · Oct 9, 2020

Bro.T said:
The Prophet Ezekiel answers the question, "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." (Ezekiel 28:12-15)

That passage establishes that Lucifer, who became Satan, was present in the garden of Eden, and in a position to tempt Eve by possessing a snake, and using it to talk to her.

Bro.T--2 · Oct 9, 2020

chad kincham said:
That passage establishes that Lucifer, who became Satan, was present in the garden of Eden, and in a position to tempt Eve by possessing a snake, and using it to talk to her.

I agree with you up to the point of you believing that's snakes could talk. Let's take another look at Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Pay attention to verse 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Adam should of said she gave me to the snake or serpent, but he said tree. Because the tree of knowledge of good and evil is just another title of Satan.

Lets look a some other titles in Revelation 12: 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Now there's movies where they have dragons talking now, maybe this is where they got that idea. Since a lot people think snakes can talk, I guess they threw dragon in there as well. Nonetheless they are all just names. Notice, Satan, that old serpent is a angel, and have a gang of angels fighting with him, and not snakes.

chad kincham · Oct 9, 2020

Bro.T said:
I agree with you up to the point of you believing that's snakes could talk. Let's take another look at Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Pay attention to verse 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Adam should of said she gave me to the snake or serpent, but he said tree. Because the tree of knowledge of good and evil is just another title of Satan.

Lets look a some other titles in Revelation 12: 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Now there's movies where they have dragons talking now, maybe this is where they got that idea. Since a lot people think snakes can talk, I guess they threw dragon in there as well. Nonetheless they are all just names. Notice, Satan, that old serpent is a angel, and have a gang of angels fighting with him, and not snakes.

Birds can’t talk either, except parrots do.

Apparently snakes can talk when Satan wants to speak through them.

BobRyan · Oct 9, 2020

Dale said:
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:1-4 NIV

Most of us were taught as children that the snake in the Garden of Eden is the Devil.

True we were taught that because in Rev 12 we are told that Satan is that "serpent of old"
and in Ezek 28 we are told that the fallen angel who was the "covering cherub" was "in Eden" and "Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God".

Dale said:
If I ask why Christians believe that the snake is the Devil, people point me to Revelation.

Funny how that works out.

Dale said:
If the snake in Genesis is supposed to be the Devil, why do we have to wait until Revelation, the last book of the Bible, to find that out?

Ezekiel 28 is in the OT.

1 Peter 1 says
10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow

we find out in the NT about the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow --- yet they already knew about it in the OT.

BobRyan · Oct 9, 2020

chad kincham said:
That passage establishes that Lucifer, who became Satan, was present in the garden of Eden, and in a position to tempt Eve by possessing a snake, and using it to talk to her.

true. Good point.

Dale · Oct 9, 2020

chad kincham said:
That passage establishes that Lucifer, who became Satan, was present in the garden of Eden, and in a position to tempt Eve by possessing a snake, and using it to talk to her.

Are you saying that Satan was still Lucifer in the Garden of Eden?
Then you are saying that the Fall of the Rebel Angels had not happened yet.
I'm having trouble digesting that.

Dale · Oct 9, 2020

plain jayne said:
OK....I've also NEVER heard of anyone claiming that snakes stand for demons in the Bible. Never once. Not one time. You say that "many" believe that. I can only think of these citations of people encountering snakes in the Bible.

the garden of eden

the bronze serpent in the wilderness [and poisonous snakes]

Paul being bitten by a snake

I never heard a commentary, sermon, Sunday School lesson, or personal opinion that these passage are about demons.

So who are these "many" people?

That's exactly who Jesus was talking about - Adam and Eve.

They ARE mentioned later on, too. Paul mentions Adam as the man through which death came and Jesus as the man through whom life came.

And he mentions Eve and her being deceived by the serpent and his fear that the church at Corinth is going to be deceived the exact same way. He also teaches in one of the Timothy's - BOTH Adam and Eve as examples of the order of things.

The reason that Adam and Eve are not mentioned in Matthew's genealogy is that Matthew is speaking to Jews and Jews desperately needed to know Jesus Christ's credentials. That's why he started with Abraham FIRST and moved forward to Christ.

Luke is speaking to Gentiles. They needed to know that Jesus was God. That's why he starts WITH Jesus and goes BACKWARD to God. And since his genealogy cites no women at all, Eve is not mentioned.

If you don't believe Adam and Eve were literal people, then you don't believe in Cain and Abel? The tower of Babel? Noah? King David?

Where do the literal people start in the Bible for you?

Psalm 104 recapitulates the creation, or you could call it a third creation story.

While the first creation story in Genesis divides the creation into days, there are no days here. The second creation story tells us bout Adam and Eve. There is no Garden of Eden, no Adam and Eve, and no expulsion from paradise here. The first creation story tells us that people are made in the image of God and the second creation story tells of God breathing the breath of life into Adam. Neither idea is found in Psalm 104.

As in Genesis, the Lord creates the heavens and the earth.

2 The Lord wraps himself in light as with a garment;
he stretches out the heavens like a tent
3 and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters.
Psalm 104: 2-3 NIV

5 He set the earth on its foundations;
it can never be moved.
Psalm 104: 5 NIV

Psalm 104 agrees with Genesis that one function of heavenly bodies is to mark time and seasons, as in Genesis 1:14.

19 He made the moon to mark the seasons,
and the sun knows when to go down.
Psalm 104: 19 NIV

In a view similar to the second creation story, God provides for His creation.

10 He makes springs pour water into the ravines;
it flows between the mountains.
11 They give water to all the beasts of the field;
the wild donkeys quench their thirst.
12 The birds of the sky nest by the waters;
they sing among the branches.
Psalm 104: 10-12 NIV

The Psalmist gives God credit for the cedars of Lebanon.

14 He makes grass grow for the cattle,
and plants for people to cultivate—
bringing forth food from the earth:
15 wine that gladdens human hearts,
oil to make their faces shine,
and bread that sustains their hearts.
16 The trees of the Lord are well watered,
the cedars of Lebanon that he planted.
Pslam 104: 14-16 NIV

Also,

21 The lions roar for their prey
and seek their food from God.
Psalm 104:24 NIV

Psalm 104 gives us a God who is Provider and Sustainer, a God who is involved in His creation.

BobRyan · Oct 10, 2020

Dale said:
Are you saying that Satan was still Lucifer in the Garden of Eden?

I did not see that in Chad's post - I think he made the point from Rev 12 that Lucifer had already become Satan by the time he was tempting Eve in the garden.

Dale · Oct 12, 2020

Bro.T said:
Isaiah 14 is the restoration of Israel its talking about the future. Lets take a look
1 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. 2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. 3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Let's do background work on Babylon and Israel...Israel have to serve Nebuchadnezzar for their transgressions, but also all nations had to serve him, and his son, and his son's son. As Israel goes, so goes the whole world. Who is Nebuchadnezzar and his sons? Nebuchadnezzar was the first Gentile world ruler and his kingdom was Babylon, which was represented by a Lion. Then followed the Medes and Persians (modern day Russia and Iran) which was represented by a Bear. Then followed the Greeks, which is represented by the Leopard. Then finally came Rome, which is currently in control of the world now and is represented as the wild beast or terrible beast. "Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them: I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.” (Hosea 13: 7-11)

So moving forward in Isaiah verse 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! This is happen in the past before man was created.

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: This always been Satan desire to go back to the third heaven. Every funeral Satan have people believing they go to heaven when they die.

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Never gonna happen

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Let's go and see this in Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; Notice the false prophet and the beast were in the lake of Fire before Satan, and here they meet face to face for the first time. So the rest of Isaiah is still talking cleaning of nation, the earth is a rest. The Lord tell us those evil nation done, he will deal with all that.
22 For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.
23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the Lord of hosts. I believe this is the last little battle, its a lot detail, we could of read that Satan was chain up before going in the Lake of Fire. But Satan is one who stir madness on the Earth.

Hope you got some understanding.

chad kincham said:
That passage establishes that Lucifer, who became Satan, was present in the garden of Eden, and in a position to tempt Eve by possessing a snake, and using it to talk to her.

BobRyan said:
True we were taught that because in Rev 12 we are told that Satan is that "serpent of old"
and in Ezek 28 we are told that the fallen angel who was the "covering cherub" was "in Eden" and "Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God".

Funny how that works out.

Ezekiel 28 is in the OT.

1 Peter 1 says
10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow

we find out in the NT about the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow --- yet they already knew about it in the OT.

I'm not sure why the snake in Eden leads to the Fall of the Rebel Angels in your mind, but here goes.

Even if we overlook all the problems with Ezekiel 28 being the Fall of Satan, only one individual fell. According to the Catholic legend of the Fall of the Rebel Angels, tens of thousands, probably millions of them must have fallen. There is no mention of that here.

I've already said that I think you are taking the mention of "cherub" in Ezekiel 28 too literally and drawing the wrong conclusion. Take a look at the Revised Standard, RSV, and the New English Translation, NET, in the same passage. In both, the King of Tyre, the subject of the prophecy, is said to be "with" a cherub in verse 14. He isn't a cherub, there is just one nearby. In both translations, the "guardian cherub" expels the King of Tyre. Again, he isn't a cherub.

The "stones of fire" are probably flashy gems that a king would wear.

14 With an anointed guardian cherub I placed you;
you were on the holy mountain of God;
in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created,
till iniquity was found in you.
16 In the abundance of your trade
you were filled with violence, and you sinned;
so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God,
and the guardian cherub drove you out
from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28: 14-16 RSV

14 I placed you there with an anointed guardian cherub;
you were on the holy mountain of God;
you walked about amidst fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your behavior from the day you were created,
until sin was discovered in you.
16 In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned;
so I defiled you and banished you[ from the mountain of God—
the guardian cherub expelled you from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28: 14-16 NET

The use of "cherub" does not necessarily mean an angel in the Christian or Jewish sense.

<< ... the king’s being “with the cherub” could mean that he was under the protection of the principal deity of Tyre, Melqart (Melkart, Melkarth). >>

and

<< The expression “mountain of God” could mean “great mountain,” a mountain that the worshipers of Melqart would have regarded as holy. >>

Link
Ezekiel 28:1-26 | Werner Bible Commentary

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