Joe Biden: voters do not have the right to know.....

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Did you know that the Electoral College was instituted because the slave owning states didn't think they had enough power and wanted to make sure that slavery could never be abolished?

What a proud tradition! SMH.

And now we have small rural states who receive much more back from the federal government in aid than they contribute in taxes wanting to have a disproportionate say in how our government is run.

For example, rural legislators have been pushing the idea that it's wrong for states like NY and California to have stricter gun regulations than the rural states. John Doe from Wyoming doesn't see why he shouldn't be able to bring his assault weapon on the NYC subways. If they had a glimmer of what it is like to live in a densely populated city they would realize that populous states have a very good reason to have gun controls and if that means they won't visit to see a Broadway play they can stay home.

The south central states are well known for high poverty, poor education, right to work (for peanuts), etc. Income inequality is rampant. Why should these red southern states which are doing such a pitiful job of giving their citizens a decent quality of life have a disproportionate say in how our country is run. (Disclaimer--I have lived in four states, and I am now living in one of those states, a state that rejoices when Mississippi takes the 50th spot...my husband's job brought us here, and I have seen how poorly their one-party government has worked ever since.) It is sad to see so many children in poverty who need to bring backpacks of food home weekends so they won't starve (and the food pantry where I volunteer only has funds for the very saddest cases.) It is sad when the waterpark has end-of-year parties for each school and in some schools kids can't go because they don't own bathing suits. It is sad to drive down the rural highways and see so many ramshackle homes that would probably be condemned if anyone tried to inspect them.

So why should these states have a disproportionate number of electors? Let's give every citizen of our country equal representation in choosing a president.

Why is this important now? In only 16 years, two presidents were elected who were not "the people's choice." They were the choice of the states that do such a pitiful job of giving their citizens a decent quality of life. No wonder why we are in the mess we are in today.
 
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If the Federalist Society majority rules as expected, there will be massive civil unrest--from feminists, LGBTQ, the disabled, the uninsured, people of color, immigrants.
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Thank you for the heads up that there will be even more civil unrest.
 
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Thank you for the heads up that there will be even more civil unrest.

Republicans are bringing it on themselves. I am sure that the protesters at the White House this week will be peaceful. I am sure that they will be peacefully protesting after January 20. But they will be doing something important. They will be letting Biden and Harris know that they have enough political support to do what needs to be done for America--to take a 100% legal action to do what needs to be done for America.

It shouldn't be done immediately, but it will need to be done before January, 2023, in case they lose the Senate or House. I don't think they will. There are Democratic governors in Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina--all those states where the Republican governors tried to prevent people of color from voting in 2016. Without voter suppression, Republicans can't win in lots of states--and even Texas, where a voter suppression mastermind is governor, is turning purple.

The media has already printed several articles that give a very compelling reason why the courts need to be increased. I have already given links to the NY Times and Time Magazine articles. When it is explained fully, I am sure most Americans will agree.

Yes, Trump will be a problem, ranting and raving from a TV station he hopes to own. But he is highly leveraged, his loans are coming due, and he will be fighting off criminal charges in NY, so that should keep him from skulking like a malevolent spector on the sidelines.
 
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Republicans are bringing it on themselves. I am sure that the protesters at the White House this week will be peaceful. I am sure that they will be peacefully protesting after January 20. But they will be doing something important. They will be letting Biden and Harris know that they have enough political support to do what needs to be done for America--to take a 100% legal action to do what needs to be done for America.
Peaceful arson and assault and looting have been rather prominent this summer and going into autumn. Democratic war gaming simulations have more of the same predicted after the election. We could call it a revolution, or at least an attempted one.
 
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Biden now preposterously claims that Trump's nomination of ACB is "not constitutional". Here's how it works, Joe. If you hold the Senate, you get your vote; if not, you don't. The Dems would do exactly the same thing were the shoe on the other foot, and everyone knows it. Even Tapper at CNN isn't having any of it.

Very interesting media clip. The Dem surrogate there must have been wondering Tapper what are you doing! You're supposed to be on our side of things. She seemed struggling, struggling, struggling to keep steam rolling him with diversionary comments non stop almost wishing the interview was over. Well who knows. Maybe even a few of the CNN anchors are finally having enough with being so disingenuous and are making the Dems an odd time to GET REAL. Speak in line with what the LAW clearly states and enough of very weak line of reasoning.
 
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Peaceful arson and assault and looting have been rather prominent this summer and going into autumn. Democratic war gaming simulations have more of the same predicted after the election. We could call it a revolution, or at least an attempted one.
Homeland Security calls white nationalist the most dangerous terrorist group in the United States. They even tried to kidnap a governor and blow up a bridge last week. 93% of BLM protest have been peaceful. There is no evidence that the looters have anything to do with BLM. They are infiltrators and Hangers On trying to take advantage of the situation.
 
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The Dem surrogate there must have been wondering Tapper what are you doing! You're supposed to be on our side of things. She seemed struggling, struggling, struggling to keep steam rolling him with diversionary comments non stop
It was a case study in sticking to the narrative rather than admitting the simple truth - that Biden was incorrect, ACB's nom is very Constitutional. I think people are tired of this? I know I am, and I pray they are. And the Biden campaign is constructed whole cloth on this very same false and reprehensible dynamic. It's all they do.

Yes, it must have been disquieting to her for Tapper not to play along as he is supposed to. This is twice in just over a week that he has gotten uppity. But then he went back and rolled over for Jill Biden on the issue of Biden's continuous gaffes. So who knows what is going on in Tapper's head. He can't be happy with what he's allowed CNN to do to him. He wasn't always like this.
 
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It is not 'Trump's game" as he so blithely puts it. It is the right of the electorate to know the position of a presidential candidate on something that would affect the course of this country for decades. Of course it is our right to know. Any assertion to the contrary is simply Joe being disingenuous and trying to have things both ways.
You mean, like ... tax filings ???
 
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....and which law says presidential candidates are required to disclose their tax filing?.....cuz I must have missed that class.
.... and which law says presidential candidates are required to answer hypothethical questions ?.....cuz I must have missed that class.
 
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Be patient, folks.

Manhattan DA Vance will be getting Trump's tax returns momentarily, and we will be able to watch the best reality TV show ever on Court TV in 2021.

Sing Sing (NY's maximum security prison in Ossining, NY) will have to add a Trump wing to their prison before the trial is over to accommodate the family and their budget won't include golden toilets.
 
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.... and which law says presidential candidates are required to answer hypothethical questions ?.....cuz I must have missed that class.
There is nothing hypothetical about wanting his position on court packing...otherwise the dems would not be openly discussing it.
However, most questions posed to non-office holding presidential candidates are based on hypotheticals since the media and electorate have no presidential track record for the public to judge by....that class I did not miss......
 
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There is nothing hypothetical about wanting his position on court packing...otherwise the dems would not be openly discussing it.
It is if it hasn't been adequately considered.

It's been bandied about for about a month.

It's quite reasonable that Biden and team hasn't had the time to give it adequate consideration to this point ...
 
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We could easily ask the same question of Trump/Pence. After all, Republucans are the ones who have already shown themselves to be unethical and immoral where the courts are unconcerned.

Drunk.with power, they could choose to expand the courts with more of their Stepford justices just for the heck of it.

They know the demographic will sink.them, so why not add a few more Supreme Court justices to insure they will be able to legislate from the bench when their aging white male coalition has gone on to their final.judgments.
 
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Did you know that the Electoral College was instituted because the slave owning states didn't think they had enough power

ok so Democratic states wanted it and... now.. they find it "inconvenient"??
 
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Joe Biden: voters do not have the right to know.....

Given that the Republicans have had no qualms about rallying behind a President who in 2016 received 3 million fewer ballots in the popular vote, how "democratic" of them to have suddenly rediscovered "the right of the voter"

1. Odd that you are posting a Jim Crow Law document when history shows that it was the Republicans that opposed the Jim Crow laws just like it was republicans that got slavery abolished. How is that helping you?

2. Republicans did not setup any rules in the past 20 years to make sure that democrats would not win in 2016. Democrats were not objecting to the "electoral college" when it was created. That is not a "democratic vs Republican" issue at all -- unless one party decides it no longer helps them.


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from: Democrats & Jim Crow: A Century of Racist History the Democratic Party Prefers You'd Forget
However, it’s a historical anomaly in the United States. The traditional home of the black voter was the Republican Party, due to its historical role in ending slavery and introducing Reconstruction Acts and Amendments to the Constitution. It also did not help that the Democratic Party was the party of Jim Crow, a system of legally enforced segregation present throughout the American South in the aftermath of the Civil War.

see also --
The Democratic Party Is the Party of Slavery and Segregation

The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Jim Crow Stories . Democratic Party | PBS

Reasons for the switch are not so hard to understand. Legend has it that President Johnson, after signing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, mourned “we’ve lost the South for a generation.” That quote might be apocryphal, but it accurately reflects contemporary opinion. Fiery segregationist George Wallace would carry five Southern states in his third party run for President in 1968. Southern anger over the Democratic Party’s embrace of civil rights reforms was no secret and no surprise.
Pastors, Not Politicians, Turned Dixie Republican


That old myth should have been squelched


The problem is - "fact is hard to squelch".

The problem with "Jim Crow" has to do with the actual history of it in the Democratic South and how "fixing it" was being opposed repeatedly in congress by democratic efforts.

As we saw here -

 
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The problem is - "fact is hard to squelch".
Yes, it is.
The article clearly shows the 'facts' of who voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act. More Democrats voted for it than Republicans did, both in the north and in the south.
Why do you think Strom Thurman left the Democratic Party and became a Republican?
 
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