The Lincoln project

God bless them!

They are supporting Republicans in the down ballot races, with some exceptions. They want to bring integrity back to their party badly and they know they can't do so without kicking the current president to the curb.

They are allowing Biden and Harris to run a mostly positive campaign while they put out loads of commercials that are devastatingly honest.

Let's face it. If you support the goals of the Republican Party philosophically, it takes a lot of courage and character to recognize the cancer that has infected your party and to excise it.

alllivesmatter said:

60 mins. did an article on this on tonight's show. I am sure you political gooroos know all about it but I had never heard of it and I found it scary. It was obvious that 60 minutes was applauding it.

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What I got out of it was that it was used to put out the anti trump ads to hopefully discourage the Republicans from supporting him.

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You're right. This is a tiny group of 'NeverTrump' Republicans, former Republicans, and Democrats, all representing their new organization with the impressively Republican-seeming name and website as mainline Republican.

In 2016, the organizer found some unknown who had never held public office to run as a third party candidate in order to draw votes away from the Republican nominee, Donald Trump, and deliver the election to Hillary Clinton. That didn't work, but they reorganized as "The Lincoln Project" and are trying to draw Republican voters away from the nominee of their party once again by appearing to be the "true" Republicans.

You see that they get a lot of "attaboys" from Democrats and hardly are noticed at all by Republicans. LOL

Albion said:

You're right. This is a tiny group of 'NeverTrump' Republicans, former Republicans, and Democrats, all representing their new organization with the impressively Republican-seeming name and website as mainline Republican.

In 2016, the organizer found some unknown who had never held public office to run as a third party candidate in order to draw votes away from the Republican nominee, Donald Trump, and deliver the election to Hillary Clinton. That didn't work, but they reorganized as "The Lincoln Project" and are trying to draw Republican voters away from the nominee of their party once again by appearing to be the "true" Republicans.

You see that they get a lot of "attaboys" from Democrats and hardly are noticed at all by Republicans. LOL

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There are a lot of destructive people around; it would be different if the democrats were harmless.

Their ads hit my Facebook news feed regularly. I see nothing disgusting about it. This is the United States where everyone has an opinion and is free to express it.

never heard of Lincoln Project, either

until tonight when flipping through channels & saw 60 min.
interesting they feel only need to flip 10%


our state has only seen Biden ads lately
apparently ad money's run out for the other side

alllivesmatter said:

So most do not realize that they are being manipulated by an organized group to undermine the American voter . Mind control of sorts.

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They're not trying to undermine the American voter. They are trying to get the voter to vote their way.

Of course they are trying to manipulate an outcome. That is what ads do. Walmart doesn't run ads for the greater good of mankind. They want you to shop there.

alllivesmatter said:

So most do not realize that they are being manipulated by an organized group to undermine the American voter . Mind control of sorts.

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Yes, organized (sort of) and hoping to accomplish the defeat of President Trump, but the truth is that hardly any Republican voters give them a second thought. Most do not even know that The Lincoln Project exists.

alllivesmatter said:

It might be fine except it is one sided and hidden from most of the American public. Underhanded if you ask me.

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All ads are one sided. GOP ads don't say, "by the way there are some good Democrats." Walmart ads don't say, "Target has competitive prices, too."

What in the world do you expect an ad to do except to promote a one sided view of their product to promote an outcome?

There is nothing hidden about who they are or what they are doing.

It's not hidden at all. Maybe your average Joe doesn't get out much. This average Joe sees one of their ads hit my Facebook news feed several times a week. They are always identified as ads from Republicans wanting to defeat President Trump. They always come with a pitch to donate money to help them run more ads. It's hard to run an ad and be hidden at the same time. And, if you want to be hidden, you don't go on 60 minutes. I get it that you don't like them and their message may be against your political convictions, but they are doing what PR people do. You just happen to not like their message.

alllivesmatter said:

So most do not realize that they are being manipulated by an organized group to undermine the American voter . Mind control of sorts.

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Hi ALM,

I don't think it's a matter of most people not realizing that they are being manipulated by an organized group to undermine the American voter. They are a PAC and the purpose of all PACs is to support a political agenda. They are running ads which a lot of people find to be fairly true concerning the subject of their agenda. I can't see that their work is undermining the American voter any more than an agenda propped up by any PAC. PAC stands for Political Action Committee and here is the working definition for their existence:

Political Action Committee (PAC) — A popular term for a political committee organized for the purpose of raising and spending money to elect and defeat candidates. Most PACs represent business, labor or ideological interests. PACs can give $5,000 to a candidate committee per election (primary, general or special).

How do you see that they are undermining the American voter? As long as their ads say who they are and that they are a PAC, any American voter should know that they have an agenda to push. There are literally several dozen PACs, and likely hundreds when you look at all elections, both local and national.

God bless,
Ted

alllivesmatter said:

Honesty, hopefully.
Now I understand the churches dedication to crushing them.

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I have not heard about the church's dedication to crushing them. What church would that be? And, frankly, it's laughable to hear complaints about honesty, both because I no longer have any expectation of political candidates being honest (sadly) and because President Trump has been proven time and time again to be the epitome of dishonesty.

alllivesmatter said:

You are right I don't like it, it is deceitful. It has never been on tv, the most informative source for the average person.

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Untrue. Their ads are on tv here.

alllivesmatter said:

So most do not realize that they are being manipulated by an organized group to undermine the American voter . Mind control of sorts.

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I hear Steve Schmidt regularly and he makes ten times as much sense as Trump. If anyone is employing mind control it's Trump.

Hi again ALM,

Just to provide some further explanation and questions:

alllivesmatter said:

What I got out of it was that it was used to put out the anti trump ads to hopefully discourage the Republicans from supporting him. That most of the ads were not put out by the democrats. I have no words except to say this is disgusting.

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Perhaps you don't realize it, but about 60% of the political ads you see running during elections are PAC ads. There are at least a dozen PAC ads against Trump. I tend to agree with @seeking.IAM that you are likely not well understanding of what PACs do and seem to be against this one because you don't like the message of this particular PAC. But trust me please, and perhaps you should pay more attention to all that fast legal talk at the end of political ads. Many, many ads that you watch on TV or hear on the radio are PAC run ads.

I believe, however, that you did understand the purpose of the ad. Yes, it is produced by Republicans, for the most part, who aren't willing to goosestep with the main Republican body to support their candidate. There is actually quite a lot of that going on in this election. There are literally hundreds of big name Republicans who have come out and proclaimed that they are not voting for their candidate. This PAC is merely putting that message out to the general public and to their own fellow Republican body, that they don't have to vote their party in the general election.

Oh, and their ads are on TV in my state, also.

God bless,
Ted