Trump administration loses fight to stop child born abroad to gay couple from becoming US citizen

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Oct 11, 2020

A federal appeals court has ruled against the Trump administration’s attempt to deny citizenship to one of two twins born overseas to a gay married couple.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco concluded on Friday that an earlier decision by a Los Angeles trial judge should stand and that four-year-old Ethan Dvash-Banks is an American citizen.

Ethan was conceived with the sperm of his Israeli biological father and born in Canada through surrogacy.

His other father is a US citizen, and a district court ruled in May 2019 that legally a child does not have to prove a biological relationship if their parents were married at the time of their birth and that Ethan should be issued a passport.

Good. By the way Trump make these guys look good.

thecolorsblend · Oct 11, 2020

Nithavela · Oct 11, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
Gee, I can't imagine why anybody would have a hard time seeing that child as an American.

From the quote of the article:

His other father is a US citizen, and a district court ruled in May 2019 that legally a child does not have to prove a biological relationship if their parents were married at the time of their birth and that Ethan should be issued a passport.

Then again, I can totally see why some people wouldn't see that child as an american. After all, a lot of people would love to see a lot of legal americans to not be americans for sundry reasons.

Blade · Oct 11, 2020

Not sure why "Trumps" name had to be in this when its reported "A federal appeals court has ruled against the U.S. State Department in its quest to deny the citizenship of one of two twins born abroad to a gay married couple."

And there is so much more to this story "they couldn’t marry legally in the U.S. or Israel, so they moved to Canada and wed in 2010. The boys were born by a surrogate in September 2016 using sperm from each of the fathers and donor eggs."

cow451 · Oct 11, 2020

Blade said:
Not sure why "Trumps" name had to be in this when its reported "A federal appeals court has ruled against the U.S. State Department in its quest to deny the citizenship of one of two twins born abroad to a gay married couple."

And there is so much more to this story "they couldn’t marry legally in the U.S. or Israel, so they moved to Canada and wed in 2010. The boys were born by a surrogate in September 2016 using sperm from each of the fathers and donor eggs."

US State Dept= Trump policy. Glad I could clarify that for you.

hedrick · Oct 20, 2020

It is by definition the Trump administration. However it's worth pointing out that the State Department has been trying this since 2000, despite consistent court rulings that they are wrong: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...rt-their-same-sex-parents-rebukes-state-dept/. It can be an issue for heterosexual couples as well, though it seems a bit more likely to happen to gay couples.

Goonie · Oct 20, 2020

hedrick said:
It is by definition the Trump administration. However it's worth pointing out that the State Department has been trying this since 2000, despite consistent court rulings that they are wrong: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...rt-their-same-sex-parents-rebukes-state-dept/. It can be an issue for heterosexual couples as well, though it seems a bit more likely to happen to gay couples.

It's all about making it too expensive. Drown potential new citizens with legal expenses until they give up, irrespective of the fact that the govt knows it has no case.

FireDragon76 · Oct 20, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
Gee, I can't imagine why anybody would have a hard time seeing that child as an American.

I can see your point but legally a biological relationship doesn't have to be established.

Personally, I believe surrogacy, IVF, and "boutique children" are a serious moral failing (life should not be a consumer commodity), but given the cultural climate in the US and Canada, that's not an easy position to selll to most people.

JackRT · Oct 20, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
I can see your point but legally a biological relationship doesn't have to be established.

Personally, I believe surrogacy, IVF, and "boutique children" are a serious moral failing (life should not be a consumer commodity), but given the cultural climate in the US and Canada, that's not an easy position to selll to most people.

Seven years ago my daughter gave birth through IVF. After trying for years doctors found that her husband's sperm were 99.9% dead. The fertility clinic harvested seven of her eggs and using robotic electromicroscopy were able to implant seven viable sperm, one in each egg. One embryo survived to term. My grandson is not the result of a serious moral failure.

FireDragon76 · Oct 20, 2020

JackRT said:
Seven years ago my daughter gave birth through IVF. After trying for years doctors found that her husband's sperm were 99.9% dead. The fertility clinic harvested seven of her eggs and using robotic electromicoscopy were able to implant seven viable sperm, one in each egg. One embryo survived to term. My grandson is not the result of a serious moral failure.

What we have is a basic disagreement about values.

A society that seeks to technologize the creation of life should not be surprised by things like capitalism ravaging the global climate through technological "progress". In both cases, the causes are much the same. As long as life is treated as a means to the ends of another subject, instead of an end in itself, misery can only ensue.

Arc F1 · Oct 20, 2020

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
Trump administration loses fight to stop child born abroad to gay couple from becoming US citizen
Good. By the way Trump make these guys look good.

That poor child. We should never approve of homosexuals raising children.

Speedwell · Oct 20, 2020

Arc F1 said:
That poor child. We should never approve of homosexuals raising children.

That's your opinion. Why should it be public policy.

Arc F1 · Oct 20, 2020

Speedwell said:
That's your opinion. Why should it be public policy.

We should all strive to do what is right. A gay couple will downplay God's role and currupt the child. With a gay couple their intent is known up front.

Speedwell · Oct 20, 2020

Arc F1 said:
We should all strive to do what is right. A gay couple will downplay God's role and currupt the child. With a gay couple their intent is known up front.

Why should a secular republic be concerned with what you think God's role is? What sort of corruption will the child be subject to?

Desk trauma · Oct 20, 2020

Arc F1 said:
We should all strive to do what is right. A gay couple will downplay God's role and currupt the child. With a gay couple their intent is known up front.

The question was why should it be public policy. Keep in mind promoting religion via public policy is unconstitutional.

Arc F1 · Oct 20, 2020

Speedwell said:
Why should a secular republic be concerned with what you think God's role is? What sort of corruption will the child be subject to?

I don't know how old you are but I can remember a time when homosexuality was looked down on. Nobody believed it would ever be anything but wrong. People used to believe the word of God. What is the next agenda that we all see coming? How long before the vast majority has no moral values left? The farther we get from God the worse the world becomes.

nonaeroterraqueous · Oct 20, 2020

Desk trauma said:
The question was why should it be public policy. Keep in mind promoting religion via public policy is unconstitutional.

An established religion is unconstitutional. Everyone has values, whether religious or otherwise, and everyone votes their values. I'm not going to vote for legalized murder just because my religion says, "Thou shalt not," and I feel obligated to keep my religion out of it.

Arc F1 · Oct 20, 2020

Desk trauma said:
The question was why should it be public policy. Keep in mind promoting religion via public policy is unconstitutional.

I must have missed that class. Separation of church and state???

Speedwell · Oct 20, 2020

Arc F1 said:
I don't know how old you are but I can remember a time when homosexuality was looked down on.

I'm old enough to remember a time when homosexuals lived in fear or in ghettos.

Nobody believed it would ever be anything but wrong. People used to believe the word of God. What is the next agenda that we all see coming? How long before the vast majority has no moral values left? The farther we get from God the worse the world becomes.

Yes, I can see that the farther we get from who you think God is, the worse it will be for you.

Arc F1 · Oct 20, 2020

Speedwell said:
I'm old enough to remember a time when homosexuals lived in fear or in ghettos. Yes, I can see that the farther we get from who you think God is, the worse it will be for you.

Why do you surround yourself with Christians? Is it to show that we are wrong or are you seeking something else? Our beliefs say homosexuality is wrong. Matter of fact common sense says if it was the correct path to take we wouldn't be here right now.

Trump administration loses fight to stop child born abroad to gay couple from becoming US citizen

My dad died 1/12/2023. I'm still devastated.

If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

our world is happy and mundane

Veteran

Standing with Ukraine.

Senior Veteran

Not so Mystic Mog.

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Let the righteous man arise from slumber

Well-Known Member

Let the righteous man arise from slumber

Well-Known Member

Front row at the dumpster fire of the republic

Let the righteous man arise from slumber

Nonexistent Member

Let the righteous man arise from slumber

Well-Known Member

Let the righteous man arise from slumber

Similar threads