TzephanYahu

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But all 7 billion today definitely came from a small group of people probably in Africa, not 2 or 8 though, and not a few thousand years ago as per Biblical chronology.

"Definitely" you say? :) Definitely? Nope. Research the matter deeply for yourself, you'll find no such conclusive evidence. You'll find theories, you'll find respected names saying that's the case, but you will find no definites.

Be careful of what you take as "fact".

Sure, you see us Christians listening to prophets dressed in rags or camel hair, taking their word for what it is. But we see non-believers listening to men dressed in suits or labcoats, taking their word for what it is. Scientists and celebrity names have become the "prophets" to the non-believer - what they say becomes "gospel".

I don't mean to come across rude my friend. I hope you see that I'm just saying do research the matter personally. Search for the evidence itself, not the opinions overlaid on top of data, which is often calibrated upon assumptive principles.

As the saying goes, there is no greater barrier to seeing the truth other than the assumption you already know it.

Take nothing for granted, especially when the claim is a big one, such as the history of our world and our origin. Those are game-changing claims which must be investigated individually. As, if there was a devil (I say "if" for your benefit) then wouldn'tit be in his interest to decieve as many as possible away from the Father?

I love it that Eve was made from a rib (or an aspect as can also be translated) of Adam, as male genome has the material for both male and female organisms

Yes, and I believe it's the only bone that grows back in the human body!

Keep on digging and searching my friend. And thank you for reading my longwinded replies! (Sorry!)

Love & Shalom
 
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well, it's up to you to think which are the most important editions of the bible. i guess one way of doing it...is which bible version holds the utmost respect like royalty for jesus...if you're that into jesus that is of course.
find which are the most important assets of you which are in the bible and totally focus on those things...think of which has the most warmth for you. keep it a secret for the most part...and voila...you have something which sings to you which is private.
you must find which book you want most importantly at your side...
 
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Well I think Eve’s curse was more to do with child bearing personally but I see your point.

Psychologically speaking, men generally want respect from their partner and women want love. That’s not to say men don’t want love and women don't want respect! Far from it. But the fundamental need of each sex is different: Men – Respect, Women – Love. When these fundamentals are not nurtured, there will be a problem in any relationship.

Also a generalised observation should also show us that women seem to be more loyal and loving to the their men than vice verse. Again, this is a generalisation and there are always exceptions.

But if this is a natural state of relations between the sexes because of the fall, why?

It could be that the Creator put man as the “head” for his physical abilities that are more suitable for protection and providing, whereas the woman is naturally endowed for growing and bearing life. Is that saying she is inferior though? No, I don’t think so. Whatever the man does and whatever the man achieves it is for the sake of his wife. She is his purpose (or should be) and all his strength is expended or made ready for her – so who can say the man in superior? Both (should) be in perfect balance. No harmony has a superior and inferior, but different complimentary roles. And it seems that woman has been placed in man’s care, rather than left to fend for herself whilst bearing children. Would it seem like an evil thing to you for man to step up and protect a pregnant woman under attack? Rhetoric

But on the flip side, let’s consider the matter in another way. If woman was placed in the care of man and her desire turned towards him, what does that imply the state was BEFORE, in the Creator’s initial design? And the ultimate goal is to return to that “Garden”.

Makes sense. Difference of the sexes. But what I wander is how is that part of a curse
 
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Makes sense. Difference of the sexes. But what I wander is how is that part of a curse

Good question. I don't know.

It perhaps gives us room for conjecture about the state of Man and Woman before the fall, by understanding what happened after. But nothing certain I can say from Scripture to my knowledge.
 
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to clarify more, it seems strange that God if he is so powerful and performed unbelievable miracles and so cares about people having some knowledge, could not do direct book writing or download information into heads directly etc

Seems far-fetched that such powerful and amazing God who created this world full of energy and endless beautiful intelligence beyond our tiny

This should have been your first and only post, as it most clearly illustrates your thinking. If a being more powerful than you really did stomp through your mind, forcing you to believe this or that, you'd object to that, too. You'd say you're not being given the freedom to make your own choices or draw your own conclusions. This post also indicates that, if you had power, you'd almost certainly use it on others in the same way you're blaming God for not using it with you; you'd overpower anyone who disagrees with you and force them to your way of thinking. It's called projection (i.e. accusing others of what you yourself are actually guilty of).

That's the classic argument with the Adam&Eve story, isn't it? God was really the one at fault for hiding information from them, for not allowing them the freedom to make their own choices etc.

This bitter spirit which blames God for not exercising his power, and then blaming him when he sets standards is irrational and says far more about you than it does about him.
 
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This should have been your first and only post, as it most clearly illustrates your thinking. If a being more powerful than you really did stomp through your mind, forcing you to believe this or that, you'd object to that, too. You'd say you're not being given the freedom to make your own choices or draw your own conclusions. This post also indicates that, if you had power, you'd almost certainly use it on others in the same way you're blaming God for not using it with you; you'd overpower anyone who disagrees with you and force them to your way of thinking. It's called projection (i.e. accusing others of what you yourself are actually guilty of).

That's the classic argument with the Adam&Eve story, isn't it? God was really the one at fault for hiding information from them, for not allowing them the freedom to make their own choices etc.

This bitter spirit which blames God for not exercising his power, and then blaming him when he sets standards is irrational and says far more about you than it does about him.

I think God exists. My question was specifically about claims about the Bible being from him
 
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I think God exists. My question was specifically about claims about the Bible being from him

Okay, except you did say:

to clarify more, it seems strange that God if he is so powerful and performed unbelievable miracles and so cares about people having some knowledge, could not do direct book writing or download information into heads directly etc

This isn't a question about claims from the Bible. It's specifically challenging why God behaves the way he does. Yes, you do mention the Bible in this sentence, but the context is not about claims from the Bible, but rather why God himself did not force the information directly into the mind as opposed to using a written media.

This direct download thing sounds an awful lot like a criticism that God doesn't force himself on us, but on the other hand, I'm sure you would also blame him for exercising his power if we were to discuss his authority of life and death (i.e. God is a murdered, etc).

This a very common catch-22 people like to put God in, but it really is irrational and I suspect this is why you now seem a bit shy about what you've said.
 
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Okay, except you did say:



This isn't a question about claims from the Bible. It's specifically challenging why God behaves the way he does. Yes, you do mention the Bible in this sentence, but the context is not about claims from the Bible, but rather why God himself did not force the information directly into the mind as opposed to using a written media.

This direct download thing sounds an awful lot like a criticism that God doesn't force himself on us, but on the other hand, I'm sure you would also blame him for exercising his power if we were to discuss his authority of life and death (i.e. God is a murdered, etc).

This a very common catch-22 people like to put God in, but it really is irrational and I suspect this is why you now seem a bit shy about what you've said.

You misunderstand me. I question claims of the Bible and Christianity.
 
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Good question. I don't know.

It perhaps gives us room for conjecture about the state of Man and Woman before the fall, by understanding what happened after. But nothing certain I can say from Scripture to my knowledge.

OK
 
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