I am writing about a problem that is causing me a lot of worrying. I know I have been posting these a lot but I just, do not get the answer I wanted. I constantly, get the advice to see a therapist. Please do not write that. just ignore me, read carefully my problem and answer the numbered questions. I am going to say my problem in a third person. and sorry for my english.
One night, the ocd guy leaves his apartment with paper napkins that he wetted before putting them in his pocket. He is outside near his apartment. Due to the water, the napkins became, you know... in his pocket. Ocd started telling the ocd guy to return home in order to get some other, clean paper napkins from his kitchen. The paper napkins were a specific brand from a super market. The guy was so dizzy, tired and anxious because of his ocd, that he did not want to do this tiring compulsion. Ocd kept insisting.
Ocd: You must return home in order to get other, clean napkins!
The ocd guy was standing in a "something like a bridge" and was trying to ignore his ocd about returning home in order to get clean napkins. He could not ignore it, so he rushly, decided to make a promise to God that would force him not to do this tiring ocd compulsion. The guy was carefull and was trying to visualise the promise while saying it, in order not to make any mistake. He cant remember exactly what his words were, but some examples of the promise could be:
a) he makes a promise about not returning home to get paper napkins.
b) he makes a promise about not returning home JUST ONLY to get clean/other paper napkins.
He canceled the promise in the last moment, but he is not sure if it was canceled.
That guy, 1 year later, is living in a different apartment, in a different area. He leaves his apartment but his ocd is telling him to return home to get some garbage bags that needed to be thrown out, because he may have made a rushed promise to God or to Gods. Since he was near, to his house, he decided to obey to his ocd and return to his apartment in order to get the garbage bags. Probably, when he entered the kitchen, he noticed some other stuff that needed to be thrown out. So, as part of the compulsion, he started searching almost, his whole apartment for stuff to put into the garbage bags. After that, he took the garbage bags and threw them into a street dustbin.
The guy started worrying that perhaps, the garbage bags contained some paper napkins from a delivery food store. He started making some connections with the napkin promise. He returned to his apartment, as part of the compulsion, in order to get some garbage bags.
1) What if the garbage bags contained some napkins? The guy is trying to calm himself down by saying that he had no intention of returning home in order to get paper napkins. He returned to get the garbage bags. But if his intention was to get the garbage and some of the garbage were paper napkins, maybe indirectly without knowing, maybe, somehow, he returned to get paper napkins? what to you think? explain your answer
2) The guy was living in a different aparment and area when he tried to make the promise about the napkins. When he was saying the promise, he was visualising it. He visualised a specific way back to his aparment from the spot where he was staning and the paper napkins that were on his kitchen. Does that mean, that the promise was valid only for that aparment and only for that specific napkins? I think, the guy visualised the promise not because he wanted to make it valid ONLY for that aparment/napkins, but because he wanted to be sure not to make any mistakes with his words. Did he, unintentionally, somehow, since he visualised the promise, made the promise valid ONLY for that apartment/napkins? what do you think? explain your answer.
3) if his promise was about not returning home JUST ONLY to get clean/other napkins, probably, he did not break it when he returned to get the garbage bags, because some keywords in his promise, mean that the promise is much more different than what he did with the garbage bags. Also, since he already had some napkins in his pocket, by saying "other napkins" probably, means that the promise was only valid for that moment in which he had the wetted napkins in his pockets. Also, probably, the promise was valid only if he was rejecting some paper napkins with clear intention to return home to get some others. That clearly, did not happen with the garbage bags. what do you think?
4) if his promise was random, about not returning home in order to get paper napkins, can we assume that the word "other" was meant without being said, since the promise was like an answer to his ocd? Since his ocd was telling him
ocd: you must return home to get other napkins.
The guy may have not said the word "other" when he tried to make the promise but it was automatically, meant. What do you think?
5) The guy probably, never specified for how long the promise is valid. He just, rushly decided to make the promise to force himself not do the ocd compulsion. Can we assume that it was only valid for the moment that he was standing on a "something like a bridge" with the wetted napkins in his pocket? explain your answer
5) If the guy did not specify anything, and he just, said about not returning home in order to get paper napkins, can we assume that all the other things that I mentioned above were somehow, meant without saying them? The guy just, wanted to force himself not to obey his ocd by returning home to get paper napkins. It was only an one moment decision. I do not think the guy wanted to make the promise to be valid forever and for everything that has to do with napkins directly or indirecrly and intentionaly or uninentionaly. what do you think?
6) The guy worries because he sees some connection between the promise ( about not returning home to get napkins) and what he did ( he returned home in order to get some garbage bags that maybe contained paper napkins) and what worries him most is that both actions are being ordered by his ocd. What if the guy promised not to obey to his ocd that has to do with a return to a home in order to get paper napkins, generally?
Please if you want to help me, do not say anything about a therapist. I get that advice a lot. so, if you only want to say that, do not say it, just ignore me. If you want to help me and make me feel better, you can spend some time to answer the numbered questions 1 by 1 or at least, say your opinion generally. I worry because I stopped believing so much to Jesus. What if there is an other God or other Gods that do not care about ocd? Please do not give me answers from the Bible.
One night, the ocd guy leaves his apartment with paper napkins that he wetted before putting them in his pocket. He is outside near his apartment. Due to the water, the napkins became, you know... in his pocket. Ocd started telling the ocd guy to return home in order to get some other, clean paper napkins from his kitchen. The paper napkins were a specific brand from a super market. The guy was so dizzy, tired and anxious because of his ocd, that he did not want to do this tiring compulsion. Ocd kept insisting.
Ocd: You must return home in order to get other, clean napkins!
The ocd guy was standing in a "something like a bridge" and was trying to ignore his ocd about returning home in order to get clean napkins. He could not ignore it, so he rushly, decided to make a promise to God that would force him not to do this tiring ocd compulsion. The guy was carefull and was trying to visualise the promise while saying it, in order not to make any mistake. He cant remember exactly what his words were, but some examples of the promise could be:
a) he makes a promise about not returning home to get paper napkins.
b) he makes a promise about not returning home JUST ONLY to get clean/other paper napkins.
He canceled the promise in the last moment, but he is not sure if it was canceled.
That guy, 1 year later, is living in a different apartment, in a different area. He leaves his apartment but his ocd is telling him to return home to get some garbage bags that needed to be thrown out, because he may have made a rushed promise to God or to Gods. Since he was near, to his house, he decided to obey to his ocd and return to his apartment in order to get the garbage bags. Probably, when he entered the kitchen, he noticed some other stuff that needed to be thrown out. So, as part of the compulsion, he started searching almost, his whole apartment for stuff to put into the garbage bags. After that, he took the garbage bags and threw them into a street dustbin.
The guy started worrying that perhaps, the garbage bags contained some paper napkins from a delivery food store. He started making some connections with the napkin promise. He returned to his apartment, as part of the compulsion, in order to get some garbage bags.
1) What if the garbage bags contained some napkins? The guy is trying to calm himself down by saying that he had no intention of returning home in order to get paper napkins. He returned to get the garbage bags. But if his intention was to get the garbage and some of the garbage were paper napkins, maybe indirectly without knowing, maybe, somehow, he returned to get paper napkins? what to you think? explain your answer
2) The guy was living in a different aparment and area when he tried to make the promise about the napkins. When he was saying the promise, he was visualising it. He visualised a specific way back to his aparment from the spot where he was staning and the paper napkins that were on his kitchen. Does that mean, that the promise was valid only for that aparment and only for that specific napkins? I think, the guy visualised the promise not because he wanted to make it valid ONLY for that aparment/napkins, but because he wanted to be sure not to make any mistakes with his words. Did he, unintentionally, somehow, since he visualised the promise, made the promise valid ONLY for that apartment/napkins? what do you think? explain your answer.
3) if his promise was about not returning home JUST ONLY to get clean/other napkins, probably, he did not break it when he returned to get the garbage bags, because some keywords in his promise, mean that the promise is much more different than what he did with the garbage bags. Also, since he already had some napkins in his pocket, by saying "other napkins" probably, means that the promise was only valid for that moment in which he had the wetted napkins in his pockets. Also, probably, the promise was valid only if he was rejecting some paper napkins with clear intention to return home to get some others. That clearly, did not happen with the garbage bags. what do you think?
4) if his promise was random, about not returning home in order to get paper napkins, can we assume that the word "other" was meant without being said, since the promise was like an answer to his ocd? Since his ocd was telling him
ocd: you must return home to get other napkins.
The guy may have not said the word "other" when he tried to make the promise but it was automatically, meant. What do you think?
5) The guy probably, never specified for how long the promise is valid. He just, rushly decided to make the promise to force himself not do the ocd compulsion. Can we assume that it was only valid for the moment that he was standing on a "something like a bridge" with the wetted napkins in his pocket? explain your answer
5) If the guy did not specify anything, and he just, said about not returning home in order to get paper napkins, can we assume that all the other things that I mentioned above were somehow, meant without saying them? The guy just, wanted to force himself not to obey his ocd by returning home to get paper napkins. It was only an one moment decision. I do not think the guy wanted to make the promise to be valid forever and for everything that has to do with napkins directly or indirecrly and intentionaly or uninentionaly. what do you think?
6) The guy worries because he sees some connection between the promise ( about not returning home to get napkins) and what he did ( he returned home in order to get some garbage bags that maybe contained paper napkins) and what worries him most is that both actions are being ordered by his ocd. What if the guy promised not to obey to his ocd that has to do with a return to a home in order to get paper napkins, generally?
Please if you want to help me, do not say anything about a therapist. I get that advice a lot. so, if you only want to say that, do not say it, just ignore me. If you want to help me and make me feel better, you can spend some time to answer the numbered questions 1 by 1 or at least, say your opinion generally. I worry because I stopped believing so much to Jesus. What if there is an other God or other Gods that do not care about ocd? Please do not give me answers from the Bible.
