How do you know the bible is Gods words?

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Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up? Like some guy just needed a reason for things to be as they are, so he started making stories that to explain things, then later on other people took those stories and added on to them. I mean heck there is an argument people have made to say that the story of Jesus was just ripped off from Egyptian mythology.

Secondary question. How do you know there is just one God? What if there are actually many Gods or what if there is no God or Gods? Granted I even have to say I am skeptical about the no God argument myself. My thought on that is if there was no God or Gods we wouldn't be here. Nothing would be here. Just be empty space. But its still a question worth exploring none the less, so I'll ask it.
 

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Hi @SoManyQuestions!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up? Like some guy just needed a reason for things to be as they are, so he started making stories that to explain things,

Have you read the Bible all the way through? It's not likely considering how it is written. If that was the case, there has never been another form of literature like it, which is historically, archaeologically and scientifically provable thousands of years after and yet predicted events in vivid detail before they happened.

On the supernatural qualities of the Bible, check out this page: Faithandtheword.com/supernatural

As for the whole Egyptian model existing before the Messiah and other similar tales, look into them for yourself. Search the history on each and you'll see that these rumours aren't founded on fact but on retellings of lies.

As for how do we know there is one God.. Yahweh, thr God of the Bible, who says He created everything says there is none other. So to follow Him is to believe His words, of course. But if there is another god that you believe exists - pray to them and then pray to Yahweh and see who seems real after that.

May Yahweh bless you on your quest for trutg. And keep asking questions, always!

Love & Shalom
 
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Second point - of course so many people testify to many gods - but they are all of different attributes, some big, some small. (The word "God" with a capital G is a job title, like the honoured "Cook" in the great houses!)

First point: amid my parents' unique personal history and attributes and personal gifts possessed by certain neighbours and teachers I turned up, and me & God had a "thing going". Thorough understanding of multi-layered texts of all kinds (not only sacred ones) was familiar then. It increasingly became clear however no-one was going to explain what came next in the Christian life.

Kuhlmannists and Falwellists have seized the media and if I was in your position I would be totally flummoxed. It appears churches (including Kuhlmannist ones) no longer believe in Holy Spirit.

Words allude, and when allusions intersect, then we have meaning. Meaning needs to be conveyed, to be hung on the text like a coat is hung on a hook.
 
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Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up? Like some guy just needed a reason for things to be as they are, so he started making stories that to explain things, then later on other people took those stories and added on to them. I mean heck there is an argument people have made to say that the story of Jesus was just ripped off from Egyptian mythology.

Secondary question. How do you know there is just one God? What if there are actually many Gods or what if there is no God or Gods? Granted I even have to say I am skeptical about the no God argument myself. My thought on that is if there was no God or Gods we wouldn't be here. Nothing would be here. Just be empty space. But its still a question worth exploring none the less, so I'll ask it.
There are many great books written by men of great learning that explain the reasons that the Bible is God's word. Since the world hates and fears God, it also does its best to hide from the truth of the Bible being the Word of God. "People" have been coming up with foolish notions about Christianity since Jesus rose from the dead. The reality is that the Church, in spite of the problems, has survived every attempt to destroy it. It's worth asking yourself why people want to destroy the church and why people are willing to die for Christ. ISIL killed 90,000 Christians who would not accept Islam during their horrific reign. No one is dumb enough to die for something they are not convinced is true.

The Bible is a revelation of God's dealings with man since the dawn of creation. God revealed Himself to the prophets of Israel firstly, then through His Son Jesus and now through all who are born again. I know God is real. I got out of hospital today. I was near death and in unbearable pain at first. All the way through, I knew God was real and was helping me. I know God. I know Jesus. They are both God. Don't ask me to explain that. While I was beginning to recover, I dropped into God's throne room, just to say thank you for saving me. Others in the hospital are going through their own terrible ordeals. Mostly they struggle on alone. Not me! I have the indescribable peace and joy of knowing that the Creator of the universe is on my side.
 
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Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up? Like some guy just needed a reason for things to be as they are, so he started making stories that to explain things, then later on other people took those stories and added on to them. I mean heck there is an argument people have made to say that the story of Jesus was just ripped off from Egyptian mythology.

Secondary question. How do you know there is just one God? What if there are actually many Gods or what if there is no God or Gods? Granted I even have to say I am skeptical about the no God argument myself. My thought on that is if there was no God or Gods we wouldn't be here. Nothing would be here. Just be empty space. But its still a question worth exploring none the less, so I'll ask it.

Seek with all your heart - no argument substitutes for a direct encounter with Jesus.

He invites you to encounter truth - your questions will then dissolve in His Love.

Then the Bible will be alive with amazement.

When He comes....
 
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This is one of the many hotly contested topics in Christianity, and whether or not you believe the Bible is God's word depends on many things. There are so many issues that are implied in this discussion, it would be impossible to do justice to even one.

The fundamentalists, evangelicals, and literalists will tell you that it is God's word, usually based on beliefs in supernatural powers, miracles and the like. These are not things that can be proven, despite what they tell you. You either believe it or you don't.

I am much more on the progressive end of Christianity, and I do not believe that the Bible is the word of God. The Bible is Jewish scripture. It has many, many authors, is comprised of 66 different books (that figure varies), and is written by Jews, for Jews. What we call the Bible evolved and was rewritten over 1000 years, as the various authors / prophets reacted to the circumstances in which the Jews found themselves.

In my opinion, the Bible is a very valuable document, but serious Bible study is bloody hard work, and the Bible needs to be read very carefully, with the aid of folks who really understand its history, and it also needs to be read with a good conscience.
What a sad response. If you do not believe God's word, you have nothing.
 
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Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up

What evidence do you have to prove this arguement

How do you know there is just one God?

What do you mean by ' God ' ?

Consider this, only Christianity says recieve a free gift of salvation.
All other beliefs, religions say earn or deserve your god's attention/reward etc..

Do you like being told you are a sinner, deserving only condemnation, yet if you humble yourself you can be given what you don't deserve the gift of eternal ltd in heaven with God.

Or do you prefer the idea of earning it?
 
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Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up? Like some guy just needed a reason for things to be as they are, so he started making stories that to explain things, then later on other people took those stories and added on to them.
If that were the case, I would expect the Bible to be more haphazard in its teachings, more flattering to its protagonists rather than expose embarrassing sins or circumstances, be more morally lax so that more people could feel good about being good followers, and have fewer teachings that are hard to understand.

I mean heck there is an argument people have made to say that the story of Jesus was just ripped off from Egyptian mythology.
Which has to ignore or reject what we know historically about Jesus, not just from the Gospels, but also from corroborating historical accounts.

Secondary question. How do you know there is just one God? What if there are actually many Gods or what if there is no God or Gods? Granted I even have to say I am skeptical about the no God argument myself. My thought on that is if there was no God or Gods we wouldn't be here. Nothing would be here. Just be empty space. But its still a question worth exploring none the less, so I'll ask it.
Personally, the God of Christianity confirmed his existence and supremacy to me in a personal way when I was seeking which god to follow through prayer. It's not a formula for other people to duplicate, though some may have had similar experiences.

Beyond that, the pantheons that I know about have one god contending with another god, and so forth. But when we consider what multiple gods of immense power and conflicting interests could hypothetically do, I don't believe that the world is chaotic enough for that to be the case. I also believe that there is too much common moral programming for there to be more than one moral lawgiver. I acknowledge there are differences between societies, but I don't think there's enough of a difference to suggest multiple moral lawgivers in conflict with each other. Besides - if god A says to do something and god B says to not do it, which of them is the real law that you are obligated to follow?
 
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That's pretty funny.
"For the time will come (and I say has arrived) when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." Brackets mine. Text, the Bible you do not believe.
 
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We can play the battle of the quotes for a very long time. If you believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, then you either haven't read it, or you support a God who is antisemitic, treats women as second class citizens, encourages the stoning and killing of disobedient children, supports and encourages the complete annihilation of the enemy (interesting that the chosen people and their chosen God have the same chosen enemy), forbids the eating of pig and handling of pigskin, is against divorce and against remarriage, and a lot more nasties besides.

Somebody has been telling you porkies...

Excuse the pun :)
 
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We can play the battle of the quotes for a very long time. If you believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, then you either haven't read it, or you support a God who is antisemitic, treats women as second class citizens, encourages the stoning and killing of disobedient children, supports and encourages the complete annihilation of the enemy (interesting that the chosen people and their chosen God have the same chosen enemy), forbids the eating of pig and handling of pigskin, is against divorce and against remarriage, and a lot more nasties besides.

What makes you say "I'm Christian"? You have just shown that you don't even know God.

That the Bible is God's word can be experienced the best by testing it. Put your trust in the God of the Bible and you will see how real He is.
Besides that you can also look at history and archaeology. More than 3200 prophecies that are written in the Bible have been fulfilled hundreds of years after they were written down. Mathematicians like Peter Stoner have calculated the chances for these fulfillments that are historically proven and show that it's impossible by mere luck. Archaeology confirms the Bible to this very day all over the world.

And then you got the person of Jesus Christ. If he was a liar he would've said "I will rise spiritually 3 days after my death" but he said "I will rise bodily". And history confirms it. When you look at what happened since Jesus' death and what kind of impact this person had on our history, legal system, morality, even our calculation of times, then it becomes clear that this Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God indeed.
Oxford professor Richard Swinburne calculated that based on historical facts and logic there is a 97% chance that Jesus has risen from the dead. Since Jesus, the Word in the flesh, lived on earth, doubting that the Bible is fully God's word is either ignorance or ill will.
 
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@SoManyQuestions!

There Are Two Basic Approaches to This Question

There are two different approaches that are taken when it comes to arguing for the Bible is the Word of God. First, there are those who believe that the Scripture is self-authenticating. The Bible is true because it says it is true, and the Holy Spirit bears witness to this truth. No other argument is necessary.

A second approach believes that the claims of Scripture have sufficient evidence to back them up. Those who hold this view believe there is overwhelming evidence to convince anyone that the Bible is what it claims to be—the Word of God. People, therefore, need to check out the evidence; not merely blindly believe the claims of Scripture.

We can summarize the two approaches as follows:
  • Approach 1: the Bible Is Self-Authenticating
    To many people, the issue of the Bible’s authority is something that should not be debated. The authority of the Bible must be believed because the Scripture says so. This is usually argued in the following ways:
    • The Bible Claims to Be God’s Word: No Other Testimony Is Necessary
      The Bible should be allowed to speak for itself. It clearly claims to be God’s Word. It doesn’t need defending. If we attempt to defend the Bible, then we are placing some other standard as the ultimate judge. Whether it is scientific or historical accuracy, human reasoning, or some other standard, what we are doing is placing Scripture under that standard. What Scripture says should be our ultimate standard and everything should be judged by its claims; it should be judged by no one.

      There is something else. The problem with providing evidence for the Bible is that human beings are both sinful and finite. They must still evaluate any evidence offered for the truthfulness of the Christian faith. Again, it places some sort of human standard as the final authority. Evidence gathered from other sources may be useful, but it has nothing convincing to say about the truth of Christianity.

    • The Bible Should Be Able to Testify on Its Own Behalf
      In a court of law, people have a right to testify on their own behalf. Since the Bible is the Word of God, the Author, God, should be allowed to testify to what sort of Book the Bible is. This is particularly true because the Bible says that God cannot lie. His testimony should be received as final.

    • The Witness of the Holy Spirit Demonstrates the Truthfulness of Scripture
      However, the Bible does more than merely claim to be God’s Word. The witness of the Spirit shows the reader that the Bible is the Word of God. When the truths of the Bible are personally applied, the credibility of the Bible is demonstrated. Paul wrote:

      You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. (2 Corinthians 3:2 KJV) Paul said that people would see the truths of the Word of God at work in the lives of God’s people. This was its testimony. When the truths are lived out in one’s life, we find that they work.

      As people read the Bible, they find the Holy Spirit giving confirmation that what they are reading is God’s Word. Therefore, we not only have the claim of Scripture, we also have the witness of the Holy Spirit that the things written in Scripture are true.

      Objection: This Is Arguing in a Circle: Assuming What You Should Be Proving

      Those who criticize this approach say that it is circular reasoning—it is assuming what it should be proving. Quoting the Bible to prove the Bible does not prove anything. Why should the claims of the Bible be believed? There are many religious books that claim to convey truth. In addition, adherents can be found who will testify as to the power of the truths in these books to change their lives. How can anyone know which claims, if any of them, are right and which claims are wrong? Religious experience alone is not a valid test. Something else is needed.
  • Approach 2: Examine the Evidence That God Has Given
    A second approach to the truth of the Bible’s claims is to examine the evidence about the truthfulness of Christianity. The Bible’s claim to authority is not in and of itself proof of its divine authority. Arguing that the claims of the Bible are more persuasive than the claims of all other religious writings does not always work in real life. There will be those who are not convinced of the Bible’s claims. What should we do with these people? Should they be ignored?
  • There Are Three Lines of Evidence for the Truth of Jesus’ Claims: Miracles, Fulfilled Prophecy, and His Resurrection
    Does the Bible never argue for the existence of God? it takes this for granted. But the New Testament does argue about the truth of the claims of Jesus through three lines of evidence. The evidence consists of miracles, fulfilled prophecy, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. When the evidence is considered, the verdict becomes clear that Jesus is whom He claimed to be.

  • We Should Do What Jesus’ Followers Did: Emphasize These Three Areas of Evidence
    There is another important point to make. Because the claims of Scripture, on their own, do not constitute any type of convincing proof, we should argue the same way in which Jesus’ disciples argued. They presented compelling proof to the people that Jesus was the Christ.

    For example, on the Day of Pentecost, Peter stated the following evidence to the large crowd that had gathered:

    You that are Israelites, listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with deeds of power, wonders, and signs that God did through him among you, as you yourselves know—this man, handed over to you according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of those outside the law. But God raised him up, having freed him from death because it was impossible for him to be held in its power. For David says concerning him, ‘I saw the Lord always before me, for he is at my right hand so that I will not be shaken; therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced; moreover, my flesh will live in hope. For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One experience corruption. You have made known to me the ways of life; you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’ (Acts 2:22-28 KJV) In this one passage, we find Peter appealing to these three different lines of evidence. First, he spoke of the miracles of Jesus Christ; it was something that all the crowd was aware of. He also testified to the fact that Jesus came back from the dead; something to which Peter and the other disciples were witnesses. Finally, Peter said that Jesus’ resurrection was a fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Therefore, he appealed to miracles, Jesus’ resurrection, and fulfilled prophecy.

    We also find that the Apostle Paul reasoned with unbelievers from the Scriptures. In the Book of Acts, we read the following:

    Then Paul, as his custom was, went into them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.” (Acts 17:2-3 KJV) Since this is the way that the New Testament believers reasoned with unbelievers about the claims of Christ, we should do the same when it comes to the authority of the Bible. Therefore, we should not limit ourselves to merely citing the Bible to prove the Bible.

    How can we really know that the Bible is true or from God? Watch now.

    Perfect Peace,
    Revealingtruth
 
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Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up? Like some guy just needed a reason for things to be as they are, so he started making stories that to explain things, then later on other people took those stories and added on to them. I mean heck there is an argument people have made to say that the story of Jesus was just ripped off from Egyptian mythology.
Jesus is unique from any previous “myths” I have heard of, but there are some similarities.

As far as some people sitting down and writing untrue made up stories, there are some issues with that idea:

Since the Old Testament talks about the Jews being God’s chosen people it would have to be written by a Jew, but if a Jew is just making up stories about his ancestry, he would not make them start out as slaves, rebellious and disobedient. He would leave out all these stories within a story, about their heroes messing up. If you are making up your history this sounds terrible.


Secondary question. How do you know there is just one God? What if there are actually many Gods or what if there is no God or Gods? Granted I even have to say I am skeptical about the no God argument myself. My thought on that is if there was no God or Gods we wouldn't be here. Nothing would be here. Just be empty space. But its still a question worth exploring none the less, so I'll ask it.
Everything appears to be working in order to help willing individuals fulfill an earthly objective.

If there was no Intelligence to begin with, then we have intelligence (humans have intelligence) coming from energy, time, space and matter without intelligence. Our simple intelligence today has allowed us to seemingly finally make intelligence in a computer and we can see a path to super intelligence with the help of computers, but there is no path right now to intelligence coming from just energy, time, space and matter. This suggest it is much more likely for intelligence to come with the help of intelligence then to be the first intelligence form from just space, time energy and matter. If you are not the lucky one to be the first intelligence, then most likely former intelligence created you, but when did the first intelligence evolve to super intelligence? If you guess half an infinite time ago, that is still infinite time ago.

As far as many Gods:

Who made them?

What would they be like?

The Christian God is “Love”, the epitome of Love, totally unselfish, Loving unconditionally.

This God’s Love would compel Him to make other beings who could become like He is, in that they have this all-consuming, powerful, unconditional, unselfish and sacrificial Love, always doing for the sake of others who can become like He is.

Man can thus become like God, but that position is not one of: having your own way, selfish desires being fulfilled, and controlling others, but it is one of sacrificially serving and helping others. Jesus describes God for us, so if you want to be “a” god, Jesus is who you will be like, which most people do not want to be like (totally sacrificially unselfish).
 
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We can play the battle of the quotes for a very long time. If you believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, then you either haven't read it, or you support a God who is antisemitic, treats women as second class citizens, encourages the stoning and killing of disobedient children, supports and encourages the complete annihilation of the enemy (interesting that the chosen people and their chosen God have the same chosen enemy), forbids the eating of pig and handling of pigskin, is against divorce and against remarriage, and a lot more nasties besides.
Sure we can. I've wasted hours talking to atheists who think exactly as you do. I've not come across many who call themselves Christians who subscribe to the atheist point of view.

Jesus affirmed the Old Testament as God's word. The New Testament includes many OT references. You are free to believe or not, but I just wonder why you call yourself "Christian".
 
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Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up? Like some guy just needed a reason for things to be as they are, so he started making stories that to explain things, then later on other people took those stories and added on to them. I mean heck there is an argument people have made to say that the story of Jesus was just ripped off from Egyptian mythology.
That would be interesting > if atoms and molecules and energy evolved to produced humans who created the Bible and now experience personally sharing with God in almighty peace which keeps us safe from lusts and bitterness and emotional turmoil and hate, while making us creative for loving any and all people.

I am not sure this is what evolution would produce.

And I do not know of any other religious whatever which plainly commands us to constantly obey how God's peace rules us and protects us, like we see through Colossians 3:15 and Philippians 4:6-7. Plus, these scriptures indicate how our Heavenly Father personally rules us in coordination with one another, which means according to His ability and intelligence and creativity of His own harmony in and through us all . . . who obey God in His peace.
 
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Secondary question. How do you know there is just one God? What if there are actually many Gods or what if there is no God or Gods?
Of ourselves, I would say we can not know. We are at the mercy of whoever really is or is not God . . . especially if God or gods are very different than we are. So, I have gotten to where I understood I needed for God to simply do whatsoever He pleased with me, and He would know. And here I am :) understanding and experiencing the way I do. I just trust Him, and discover.

I personally see how all the Bible fits with God being love and all-controlling; I can't prove there is one God, but I see how one God has given us the whole message of the Bible. And the main blessing we can get is how any scripture can be used to help us find out how to love. The main meaning of the Bible is how we become sharing with God and how He has us loving, I would say.
 
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You make assumptions about what I am and what I'm not, based on a fairly typical, binary, black and white, fundamentalist world view - if you dare to question the bible, if you dare to suggest legitimate historical analysis, then you must be an atheist.
Now who is making assumptions? Where have I stated that I believe you to be an atheist? If you were, I would understand your position. I don't.
 
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Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up? Like some guy just needed a reason for things to be as they are, so he started making stories that to explain things, then later on other people took those stories and added on to them. I mean heck there is an argument people have made to say that the story of Jesus was just ripped off from Egyptian mythology.

People who say that generally don't know the first thing about Egyptian mythology.

Secondary question. How do you know there is just one God? What if there are actually many Gods or what if there is no God or Gods? Granted I even have to say I am skeptical about the no God argument myself. My thought on that is if there was no God or Gods we wouldn't be here. Nothing would be here. Just be empty space. But its still a question worth exploring none the less, so I'll ask it.

Fundamentally it comes down to belief that the God spoken about is real, and true, and that He has revealed Himself through history; and part of that revelation of Himself is that He alone is God.

In Christianity we understand that God's chief revelation is Jesus, the Bible as a collection of received texts are not themselves God's primary revelation, but rather they point to Jesus. Jesus is the Word of God, the Bible is the word of God because it's about Jesus.

Could it all just be made up? Sure, it could all just be nothing more than religious stories that don't correspond to any truth in regard to the Divine.

But I don't think the Christian community showed up for no reason, from thin air; there were very real followers of Jesus in the first century, those that claimed to have known Him, followed Him, walked with Him, ate with Him, and also saw Him resurrected. Were they liars? Maybe. Or maybe they were telling the truth, and this Jesus Story should be taken seriously, and this Jesus Person should be taken seriously. And hence, Christianity.

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Couldn't it be very possible that it's all made up? Like some guy just needed a reason for things to be as they are, so he started making stories that to explain things, then later on other people took those stories and added on to them. I mean heck there is an argument people have made to say that the story of Jesus was just ripped off from Egyptian mythology.

Secondary question. How do you know there is just one God? What if there are actually many Gods or what if there is no God or Gods? Granted I even have to say I am skeptical about the no God argument myself. My thought on that is if there was no God or Gods we wouldn't be here. Nothing would be here. Just be empty space. But its still a question worth exploring none the less, so I'll ask it.
i suppose with serious self reflection, to do your work to be an ultimate for people and yourself, to be part of your own rabbit hole, heck, be such an ultimate for other people in only nurturing them, then they're only in your rabbit hole too.
and in doing such actions i have said...people can only boost you with some kind of end all be all helping you. i think we can all agree on these possibilities or can we not? it's like true power in vision and activation at the activation doors of life. its's a laugh to be to try to be a god and show your arrival destination patterens in power...look what happened to jesus. though jesus did hide some arrival destination patterns...for many people don't know his identity really, though not all people i suppose. to be in such a way is to be invisible.

if you're trying to be a the epitome of philosophy at least on that scale...everything you do in some sense or layer should be learn things to do it the tough way to learn to do things and be humble.

in these senses in a summed up way, is to be an epitome of philosophy. you know, that you can be truly, underlyingly be trusted through a guy who has problems asks you to hold his jack in the box bag, then you would ask why, and then you hear the passion of him saying he trusts you is why.

hmmm...to be a god, you must have hope as well...or some being as such. it may be possible to have hope in such a way because in the true nature of things...one can have so much potential that they deserve a lot.

another piece of advice...never truly join the world for it is very leaky with problems. and in such problems...you must be very evaluative 90's style...it's like believing in yourself but believing in the world too...so yeah, be loyal to yourself and others...

and fight manipulation with manipulation too without actually being manipulating...of course in safe ways. it's like trying to see what's deeper...what's actually out there...so i mean awareness is a big part of it.

try to orchestrate your life in such ways. try to hear, feel, and think to see to see signs of it...much like christians do but for you. it is much like separating your thoughts from the world awakening to your own rabbit hole and not others...i say try to learn and piece yourself together through books. besides if you're epitome of philosophy guy...you will never truly lose anything and can only bring hope and restoration to this world...like saying averting nuclear disaster through relativity.

with such truths, you gotta know where you are and then invincibility ensues...a very important pillar to always strive for. sure, you can detect and encounter accounts of gods and such through books...but i say be your own book...in this way, you will know what the life generator is all about and can have truly satisfied curiosities about god that way.

also, be a shining hope in strength and comfortability to show kind acts and compassion without manipulation underlyingly of course. but look, you've gotta look at the minor things too like turning away only help.

perhaps doing good works as christians do can open you about God instead of being a god...honest help is hard to find in these days anyways. and i mean try to remove any doubts or private resentments of yourself.

i'm not saying you have to love christianity or yourself...but at least you deserve a comfort branch in your soul.

also focus on the past where people tried to redeem people by showing them their past pure selves...surely, in the nineties and early 2000s are better for such things than compared to these days...but it is still a humble thing to do...if you know vision and activation in philosophy...

but you know...willing to take a chance to all these suggestions i gave you if you branch out to other ideas to my suggestions...of course you'll be fine. i mean i really do hope you do arrange a change to a state of answered questions.

trust me, it is not as if you're alone in knowledge...for i believe everyone's quest for knowledge is equally hard for everyone when they find themselves better learners than other or not...so accept simple matters for what they are and branch out if you want. there are very many details in teaching...i mean just be a good student about it. always gather new information and you will find reasonings of your own about god or anyone else. i hope you find it fascinating of course...lol...you might as well read ancient texts and all kinds of texts. knowledge is power or so they say...there is a lot in the unknown...

but the again who knows when the time is right in these trying times. but it's good to be determined but not have determination alone...that can breed a lot of problems.

remember, don't count on luck...it's not like this world is humble entireties in the beginning but instead corruption underlyingly. so i feel if you fill yourself with identities...you can know what it is to have all sides.

but i suggest you continue your discussions with christians as well...i mean i do too in asking questions every once in a while. a time for careful talking is beneficial...sometimes only beneficial...the discussions are up to your own preference but of course don't neglect anyone including christians.

you know what else?...make friends but in a ultimate way...because it can get confusing who true friends are...they could be jealous because you're a better student or whatever. have discipline for doing the right things too...i mean why not, huh?

compassion never stands in the way of anybody...if you only test yourself with only knowledge, strength and comfortability to have without bothering anyone else. find your superior self in calm, reasonability and sensibility.

since this is not a world of higher mysteries of peace...compete against other students and other competitors...look to christians in the lessons of mercy by the way...too bad...peace could've made a lot of people comfortable...

you know, even in regular servicing jobs, you can find christians and actually have actual conversations with them if your christian questions still persist. don't let uncomfortability reach you but try not to bother someone else. but be hopeful that you can try to change things without overexertion...even if it is harmless questions and studyings of the type of questions you have.
 
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