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Okay, who was selling and what was happening to those who nobody would buy?
Ever hear of redemption?
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Does the Bible condone slavery?
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Okay, who was selling and what was happening to those who nobody would buy?
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What beatings short of death? Is there an account of this occurring? What was said about it?
The only one I can think of is when Moses killed an Egyptian taskmaster that was beating an Israelite.
They obviously represent a debt somewhere and they may be redeemed.
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I said that slaves are derived from conquered societies. That is not a red herring. In war you devastate the enemy. Any enemy slaves, of course, do not have citizenship or rights. You can't throw thousands of the enemy into prison camps and grant them rights.Nice red herring here. Please do not completely change the subject until you actually engage/respond to my direct inquiry. I'll address again:
Why are 'slaves' given differing laws than non-slaves? If a slave is beaten and recovers after two days, no punishment is warranted to the slave master. But if such an act happens to someone whom is not deemed a slave/property/kept, then punishment is warranted, by law.
In post #57, you stated "We are all in slavery". If this is the case, then we do not need SPECIAL rules for the enslaved, since we are ALL enslaved
Can you actually explain?
All over the world we have a multitude of people locked up as enemies of the state. They are enslaved, imprisoned, they have no right to freedom. Sometimes we just execute them, keep it quiet though.
Your not recognizing that this type of slavery has always been in force. We have Isis extremists locked up in my country and this is prevalent in many other countries. In the Middle east they have huge camps over flowing with women and children. They are all enemies of the state and they have zero rights to freedom.
We lock up illegal immigrants for years, they have no rights.
We could turn these people from state slaves into personal slaves. What is the difference?
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When the Bible talked about breaking the Sabbath or murder or dishonoring parents there was an actual account given where this occurred and the guideline was enacted.
Do we have one for beating a slave?
Do we have one for beating a slave?
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We have a whole book in the Bible dedicated (explicitly) to a slave. How was he treated?
Read Onesimus, it's a short letter.
Read Onesimus, it's a short letter.
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??? You are being quite the sidewinder it seems...
The Bible instructs that no punishment is issued to the slave master, as long as the slave does not die. God apparently is okay with this. Do you acknowledge this allowance?
I doubt anyone would volunteer for such an arrangement.
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Have you heard this one before:
Matthew 19:8
"He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so."
Remember we are dealing with hard hearts in a cold world.
Both of which were not intended from the beginning.
This is why we have the entire redemptive message of the Bible.
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You are not getting it. You stated we are all slaves? Is all 'slavery' equal??? Are you really a 'slave'? At least answer me this much??? Meaning, the fed line of, 'we are all slaves', looks nothing short of 'wordplay.'
Furthermore, according to the Bible, we can apparently beat these expressed captives, for which you so speak of, just short of death, repeatedly. As long as they do not die. God is apparently 'a-okay' with these occurrences. Do YOU agree?
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Philemon 1:16
"no longer as a slave, but more than a slave, a beloved brother, especially to me, but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord." ... He is more than a slave, for he is a beloved brother, especially to me. Now he will mean much more to you, both as a man and as a brother in the Lord."
Now does this sound like an endorsement of slavery?
To me this sounds like an abolitionist.
"no longer as a slave, but more than a slave, a beloved brother, especially to me, but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord." ... He is more than a slave, for he is a beloved brother, especially to me. Now he will mean much more to you, both as a man and as a brother in the Lord."
Now does this sound like an endorsement of slavery?
To me this sounds like an abolitionist.
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God is pretty clear. Heck, look at the 613 Commandments issued. He's tells His readers what is wrong. Guess what....? 'Slavery' does not make this very large list :0
You can cherry pick passages, but the intent from the Bible is clear. The Bible condones slavery practices, and tells it's readers what one can and cannot do with their slaves.
If you do not believe me, please reference post #16.
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Special rules for the enemies of the state are always in force. The Bible makes no distinction regarding these enemies of the state. They must be oppressed.Nice red herring here. Please do not completely change the subject until you actually engage/respond to my direct inquiry. I'll address again:
Why are 'slaves' given differing laws than non-slaves? If a slave is beaten and recovers after two days, no punishment is warranted to the slave master. But if such an act happens to someone whom is not deemed a slave/property/kept, then punishment is warranted, by law.
In post #57, you stated "We are all in slavery". If this is the case, then we do not need SPECIAL rules for the enslaved, since we are ALL enslaved
Can you actually explain?
We are all enslaved in various ways and there is no real escape from age, sickness, and death. When you win at life, when you overcome the forces that dictate our lives. Then come back and see me and tell me how, you overcame sickness and death. That will be the day when parallel lines meet of course.
You never really made choices, never exhibited any sort of freedom in anyway. You were born into a family, a suburb, a city, a country. Even a way of life where you had zero choices to make. Your schooling was not your choice, even your friends were only from your classroom. No real choice to speak of.
Your taste in food and leisure is restricted by inborn passions and income. You live only where you can afford to live. You work only in employment that your qualified and entitled to work. You grind through forty years of work and reproduce the species. At last you retire, but your just too old really to seriously live it up.
Freedom you say, you must be joking. Freedom to choose virtually anything in life is an illusion. You think the way you were pre-programmed to think. You eat the same cakes that you always seem to choose. Much of life is predestined with very little choice available.
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I am not sure if slavery and prejudice were ever abolished. That may be a red herring. Because slavery in all it's forms is still entrenched worldwide.It's no wonder we had to fight a war to abolish slavery.
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