Tripartite division of the Law and the Sabbath?

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Hello clefty, thanks I agree with most of your post above. I wont dwell on this too much here as this is not the right thread but if you want to talk detailed scripture analysis of the old and new happy to discuss it with you further somewhere else or your welcome to PM me for a private chat. I will just leave you with a few comments here for your consideration.
ok yes good...and to find the time...

Most of what I wish to share was said and appropriate in a thread regarding the Law its impact on His people still...

Your response here...
Not sure why you wrote this because if you read the above that you are quoting from, I never posted or said that the Passover is a Sin offering.
only because you had it as something fulfilled...past tense...”they were shadows...pointed to the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world”...did NOT happen at the cross as sin remains all around...but will happen at atONEment...STILL to come...which is WHY they “ARE” shadows still and NOT they “were”

Though that said the Passover according to the scriptures in the new covenant as it is written "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us." - 1 Corinthian 5:7. The sacrificial lamp of God has always represented JESUS *John 1:29; John 6:53.
sadly you miss verse 8 Paul exhorts we STILL celebrate the festival with unleavened bread of SINCERITY and truth...not too many SINCERE followers out here following His festivals...His truth

of course Yahushua is why His Father’s WRATH passes over us...and WHY we are so grateful...Passover being a thank offering...the first one even done PRIOR the passing over at midnight...by FAITH first

Is why I wish SDAs be MORE SINCERE by celebrating this festival...His TIMES and Laws NOT changed...the Sanctuary His theatre with SHOWTIMES...

If your talking about the shadow sabbaths in the feasts yes I partially agree as the Great day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) and Feast of Tabernacles (booths) are yet to be fulfilled until just prior to and after second coming.
and don’t forget Trumpets...there will be a last Trump which means Donald is the first? LOL or?

We believe that the Passover and Feast of unleavened bread is fulfilled in Christ *1 Corinthians 5:7; 1 John 1:29; John 6:35. Feast of first fruits to Christ resurrection and those that rose with Christ *1 Corinthians 15:20-23; Revelation 14:4; Luke 22:20; Feast of weeks *Matthew 9:37; Acts of the Apostles 14. Feast of trumpets is a little more complicated but can be shown in Danial, Revelation and Hebrews (happy to show how if interested somewhere else). We believe that the we are living in the anti-typical day of atonement and this can be proven from the scriptures.
all good...but atONEment is receiving reward...not beginning an "investigative judgement"...we are NOT afflicting ourselves are we?...but yes it gets deep and less appropriate here in this thread and now

I have no problem with anyone still wanting to keep them as long as they understand their meaning and they are doing it to get close to JESUS which I think is great.
I would have less problem if this was an official stance and practice...alas

Well I do not know how you came to that idea as I do not think it is true.
dear brother you have demonstrated otherwise in this post alone...

All of God's commandments are important, it is just that God's 4th has been neglected according to the scripture prophecies of Daniel 7:25 and the world needs to be warned *Revelation 14:6-12; Revelation 18:1-5.
indeed ALL of them are...not just the seventh day Sabbath...

But they are Yah’s commandments Whose name you have not specified...taking His name for NAUGHT... for Who are we to fear and give glory but One NOT named by Babylon yes?

"I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." John 17:6

and by Yah’s Spirit the only begotten Son Yahushua gave His living oracles to Israel at Sinai already full of those NOT OF JACOB and yet they are considered “Jewish feasts”

The second commandment is violated TWO ways...1) forming an image...another god...2) AND by serving it...

1) the Trinity is a Babylonian construct an Image...

2) and by NON application of His times and laws...which of course were changed...is HOW it is served with NEW times and laws...NOT His

The first commandment remains YAH ALONE is IMMORTAL to be feared and given glory...worthy of our worship...tried and true...and proclaim the hour of His trial has come...


Like I said if you want to discuss anything in detail please feel free to PM me. Here is not the place as it is someone else's OP.
I have said my peace...

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
may Who bless? lol...

Yes might He bless and lead us all...to Him His ways

and to warn others the hour of His trial is come...fear Yah and give Him glory...come out of Babylon to Him His Ways names and days

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

HalleluYah
 
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Hi clefty, just putting my original post to you here as reference to my first response to you up as some of your comments below (not all) do not seem to be saying what I am saying. So just posting it again below as a reference. Perhaps read it again before posting. This will be my last one here as we are getting off topic to the OP...
LoveGodsWord said: I believe many of the old testament laws are still in effect including the health and hygiene laws, and all of the sub-laws of the 10 commandments of the old covenant that are not "shadow laws" of the new covenant for "remission of sins", that point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and ministration in the new covenant and Christ work in the heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands *Hebrews 9:24. These "shadow laws" of the old covenant are all the laws that were prophetic in nature that pointed "forward" to the coming of the promised "Messiah" (JESUS) foretelling his life, death and resurrection and work on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary on our behalf and are fulfilled in him. They were in effect "shadows of things to come" that Paul talks about in *Colossians 2;. Ephesians 2; Hebrews 7; Hebrews 8; Hebrews 9 and Hebrews 10. There shadow laws of the old covenant pointed forward to the promised Messiah and pointed to things to come and are fulfilled in Christ. As these laws where prophetic given to teach God's people of the work and coming of promised Messiah, they were the shadows fulfilled in JESUS as they pointed to him as the true lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. The Sanctuary on earth was only a copy of the one in heaven that the Lord pitched and not man *Hebrews 8:2-5. These are now fulfilled in the new covenant after the coming of Jesus. The "shadow laws" of the old covenant helped God's people to look forward to things to come. While today God's people look backwards to things that have come.
Your response...
clefty said: Passover is NOT a sin offering...does NOT take away the sins of the world...that is still to come...
To which I responded...
LoveGodsWord said: Not sure why you wrote this because if you read the above that you are quoting from, I never posted or said that the Passover is a Sin offering. Though that said the Passover according to the scriptures in the new covenant as it is written "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us." - 1 Corinthian 5:7. The sacrificial lamp of God has always represented JESUS *John 1:29; John 6:53.
You responded by saying...
clefty said: only because you had it as something fulfilled...past tense...”they were shadows...pointed to the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world”...did NOT happen at the cross as sin remains all around...but will happen at atONEment...STILL to come...which is WHY they “ARE” shadows still and NOT they “were”
If I had it as something fulfilled in the new covenant in JESUS, how does that mean I was saying that the Passover was a sin offering? If you read my post original post above you will see that I said no such thing. Did I say that the shadows of the Passover are fulfilled in Christ? Yes I did and provided scripture proving it's fulfillment from 1 Corinthians 5:7 while also showing that the Passovers sacrificial lamb of God has always represented JESUS in *John 1:29; 1 John 1:36 and John 6:53. Anyhow this is how I see it from the scriptures. You are free to live in the shadows if you like I do not judge you. In fact I do not think it is a bad thing to celebrate the feast days as long as you understand what they represent and the meaning and who they point to and what they mean. Your reference to Colossians 2:16 is not a command to continue keeping the shadows but that they are shadows fulfilled in the new covenant promise. As posted earlier I partially agree with what you are saying as the Great day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) and Feast of Tabernacles (booths) are yet to be fulfilled until just prior to and after second coming but they are all indeed shadows as told in Colossians 2:16-17. I believe that the Passover and Feast of unleavened bread however are fulfilled in Christ *1 Corinthians 5:7; 1 John 1:29; John 6:35. Feast of first fruits to Christ resurrection and those that rose with Christ *1 Corinthians 15:20-23; Revelation 14:4; Luke 22:20; Feast of weeks *Matthew 9:37; Acts of the Apostles 14. Feast of trumpets is a little more complicated but can be shown in Danial, Revelation and Hebrews (happy to show how if interested somewhere else). We believe that we are living in the anti-typical day of atonement and this can be proven from the scriptures. I have no problem with anyone still wanting to keep them as long as they understand their meaning and they are doing it to get close to JESUS which I think is great.
clefty said: sadly you miss verse 8 Paul exhorts we STILL celebrate the festival with unleavened bread of SINCERITY and truth...not too many SINCERE followers out here following His festivals...His truth
Not really as my reference was to the feast of unleavened bread and the Passover with 1 Corinthians 5:7. If we add 1 Corinthians 5:-7-8 it only supports what is being shared with you as it is telling us how to really keep the Passover in the new covenant and stating that Christ is now our true Passover the "shadows are fulfilled" in the new covenant and we are purge out the old leaven of sin through the blood of Christ our sacrificial lamb. v8 tells us to keep the Passover not with old leaven (sin) but now in sincerity and truth which is what the Passover and unleavened bread points to...

1 CORINTHIANS 5:7-8 [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8], Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
clefty said: Is why I wish SDAs be MORE SINCERE by celebrating this festival...
We do as we remember it through the Lord's supper *Mark 14:22-25; Luke 22:18-20; 1 Corinthians 11:23-25
clefty said: and don’t forget Trumpets...there will be a last Trump which means Donald is the first? LOL or?
I didn't forget. I already posted on it in the previous post. Perhaps you missed it.
clefty said: all good...but atONEment is receiving reward...not beginning an "investigative judgement"...we are NOT afflicting ourselves are we?...but yes it gets deep and less appropriate here in this thread and now
The investigative judgement is biblical and can be shown through the scriptures in the books of Daniel and Revelation but is a deeper study for this post. In Leviticus 23 Yom Kippur (Great day of Atonement) involves the cleansing of the Sanctuary for the accumulated sins of Israel throughout the year. It represented a solemn time of repentance and afflicting of the soul before God and a time of fasting while the great High Priest only at this time of the year ministered in the Holy of Holies in the presence of God and the Ark of the covenant on behalf of God's people. Anyone on this day that was not found in genuine repentance and affliction of soul *Leviticus 23:27-32 and fasting was to be cut off from ISRAEL (the scripture says God will destroy from among his people. We believe that this is the work of what JESUS is doing on our behalf at the moment in the Heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands. The cleansing of the Sanctuary is the final act before the second coming (Feast of booths).
clefty said: dear brother you have demonstrated otherwise in this post alone...
Sorry dear friend but I do not know what your meaning is here. Did you wish to explain yourself a little more?
clefty said: indeed ALL of them are...not just the seventh day Sabbath...

But they are Yah’s commandments Whose name you have not specified...taking His name for NAUGHT... for Who are we to fear and give glory but One NOT named by Babylon yes?

"I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." John 17:6

and by Yah’s Spirit the only begotten Son Yahushua gave His living oracles to Israel at Sinai already full of those NOT OF JACOB and yet they are considered “Jewish feasts”

The second commandment is violated TWO ways...1) forming an image...another god...2) AND by serving it...

1) the Trinity is a Babylonian construct an Image...

2) and by NON application of His times and laws...which of course were changed...is HOW it is served with NEW times and laws...NOT His

The first commandment remains YAH ALONE is IMMORTAL to be feared and given glory...worthy of our worship...tried and true...and proclaim the hour of His trial has come...
Sadly your putting the "shadows laws" fulfilled in Christ on equal footing with Gods law (10 commandments) that are eternal laws that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. There is nothing wrong with keeping the feasts if this is how God has convicted someone and it helps your walk with God. They are not a requirement for salvation however. By keeping the feasts and festivals of the Old Testament without understanding what they mean and who they point to, it is obvious that we reject Jesus Christ as our Savior. In fact, we reject Him as “the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world” (John 1:29), and we reject Him as our High Priest, Intercessor, and Advocate in heaven. However, if we keep these Feasts by understanding what these shadows point to then I am sure God blessing will be with you.
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Yes might He bless and lead us all...to Him His ways

and to warn others the hour of His trial is come...fear Yah and give Him glory...come out of Babylon to Him His Ways names and days

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

HalleluYah
Amen..
 
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If I had it as something fulfilled in the new covenant in JESUS, how does that mean I was saying that the Passover was a sin offering? If you read my post original post above you will see that I said no such thing. Did I say that the shadows of the Passover are fulfilled in Christ? Yes I did and provided scripture proving it's fulfillment from 1 Corinthians 5:7 while also showing that the Passovers sacrificial lamb of God has always represented JESUS in *John 1:29; 1 John 1:36 and John 6:53. Anyhow this is how I see it from the scriptures.
it is not because you say He fulfilled the Passover but that He takes away the sins of the world...which He has NOT done that yet...as Passover and what happened at the cross did NOT do that...sin remains...Passover deals with us being covered and thus passed over UNTIL He takes away the sin of the world...finally

Day of atONEment dealt with sin its being done away with...which is STILL to come...and He will fulfill...

You are free to live in the shadows if you like I do not judge you. In fact I do not think it is a bad thing to celebrate the feast days as long as you understand what they represent and the meaning and who they point to and what they mean.
I rest in His shade you mean? “Live in the shadows” is something else...and HalleluYah glad you do not think it a bad thing to observe what He has asked His to do...and of course no need for shedding of innocent blood any more...that never did away with sin or perfect anyway...was NOT meant to...just a sign of what will happen actually STILL to come...

Your reference to Colossians 2:16 is not a command to continue keeping the shadows but that they are shadows fulfilled in the new covenant promise.
you seem to use the word fulfill as others claim the Sabbath is...namely “done away with”

of course I accept Paul’s insistence I let no one judge me my KEEPING these shadows...but the Body of Christ...to make sure I am getting it right...as they ARE still pointing to things STILL to come even AFTER the birth life death burial resurrection and ascension...there is still more to come

It is His calendar His times and law...NOT Babylon’s

That SDA’s accept the clean meats but reject the Showtimes of His Divine Theatre is indeed ODD...and weakens their witness and claim of “following Him...representing Him His Ways and coming out of Babylon”

As posted earlier I partially agree with what you are saying as the Great day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) and Feast of Tabernacles (booths) are yet to be fulfilled until just prior to and after second coming but they are all indeed shadows as told in Colossians 2:16-17. I believe that the Passover and Feast of unleavened bread however are fulfilled in Christ *1 Corinthians 5:7; 1 John 1:29; John 6:35. Feast of first fruits to Christ resurrection and those that rose with Christ *1 Corinthians 15:20-23; Revelation 14:4; Luke 22:20; Feast of weeks *Matthew 9:37; Acts of the Apostles 14. Feast of trumpets is a little more complicated but can be shown in Danial, Revelation and Hebrews (happy to show how if interested somewhere else). We believe that we are living in the anti-typical day of atonement and this can be proven from the scriptures. I have no problem with anyone still wanting to keep them as long as they understand their meaning and they are doing it to get close to JESUS which I think is great.
fulfilled in Him does NOT mean suspended, abrogated, destroyed, but still set His people aside as following His calendar His festivals His diet His WAYS...everything we learned by stealing Sabbath back from the Jews...that His Way IS for US...His people a peculiar people come OUT of Babylon its ways...

Not really as my reference was to the feast of unleavened bread and the Passover with 1 Corinthians 5:7. If we add 1 Corinthians 5:-7-8 it only supports what is being shared with you as it is telling us how to really keep the Passover in the new covenant and stating that Christ is now our true Passover the "shadows are fulfilled" in the new covenant and we are purge out the old leaven of sin through the blood of Christ our sacrificial lamb. v8 tells us to keep the Passover not with old leaven (sin) but now in sincerity and truth which is what the Passover and unleavened bread points to...

1 CORINTHIANS 5:7-8 [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8], Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

We do as we remember it through the Lord's supper *Mark 14:22-25; Luke 22:18-20; 1 Corinthians 11:23-25
well if we wish to come out of Babylon (Rome) then it would make sense we study up on why we use unleavened bread for the communion as the ROMAN church does...and NOT as the Eastern church does which uses leavened bread as the Last supper was NOT the Passover but a meal prior the killing of the Lambs the next day...

Not only is the DATE we celebrate Passover false (yet terminated as fulfilled?) but also its symbol “takes away the sin of the world” as if the New Covenant age has sin done away with...

I didn't forget. I already posted on it in the previous post. Perhaps you missed it.
ok...I like to keep all my dates of festivities together...

The investigative judgement is biblical and can be shown through the scriptures in the books of Daniel and Revelation but is a deeper study for this post.
perhaps...

In Leviticus 23 Yom Kippur (Great day of Atonement) involves the cleansing of the Sanctuary for the accumulated sins of Israel throughout the year. It represented a solemn time of repentance and afflicting of the soul before God and a time of fasting while the great High Priest only at this time of the year ministered in the Holy of Holies in the presence of God and the Ark of the covenant on behalf of God's people. Anyone on this day that was not found in genuine repentance and affliction of soul *Leviticus 23:27-32 and fasting was to be cut off from ISRAEL (the scripture says God will destroy from among his people.
and there is more...much more...namely a termination of judgement and reception of the reward...into the next year towards the promised Land is why the coming booths

We believe that this is the work of what JESUS is doing on our behalf at the moment in the Heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands. The cleansing of the Sanctuary is the final act before the second coming (Feast of booths).
again the day ENDS judgment the reward to receive that day...the sanctuary is the temple is the people which are cleansed PRIOR in preparation of the atONEment...having the outpouring of the Spirit of Prophecy the true understanding of Yah and His Ways was the reward...the cleansing...into the future...in our temporal housing here now...and when in heaven

Sorry dear friend but I do not know what your meaning is here. Did you wish to explain yourself a little more?
I commented that SDAs have focused much energy on the 4th commandment which is deserved but have neglected not only festivals the His calendar and showtimes for His sanctuary but have also neglected the other commandments 1,2,3 which you did not think was true...and claimed ALL of God’s commandments are important just God’s 4th has been neglected...

I then attempted to share with you that by calling it God’s commandments and NOT Yah’s commandments you neglect the 3rd...

And SDA’s finally submitting to the Trinity then are in violation to the 2nd and well here’s the post again:

“indeed ALL of them are...not just the seventh day Sabbath...

But they are Yah’s commandments Whose name you have not specified...taking His name for NAUGHT... for Who are we to fear and give glory but One NOT named by Babylon yes?

"I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." John 17:6

and by Yah’s Spirit the only begotten Son Yahushua gave His living oracles to Israel at Sinai already full of those NOT OF JACOB and yet they are considered “Jewish feasts”

The second commandment is violated TWO ways...1) forming an image...another god...2) AND by serving it...

1) the Trinity is a Babylonian construct an Image...

2) and by NON application of His times and laws...which of course were changed...is HOW it is served with NEW times and laws...NOT His

The first commandment remains YAH ALONE is IMMORTAL to be feared and given glory...worthy of our worship...tried and true...and proclaim the hour of His trial has come...“


Sadly your putting the "shadows laws" fulfilled in Christ on equal footing with Gods law (10 commandments) that are eternal laws that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7.
are we Israel or not? In fact I have already noted “replacement theology” is now taught as NOT biblical in SDA circles...I mean you see the danger? how fulfilled do you mean? And by that how destroyed are His Ways?

There is nothing wrong with keeping the feasts if this is how God has convicted someone and it helps your walk with God. They are not a requirement for salvation however.
careful...neither are the 10...the 10 is what we do WHEN SAVED...not killing someone is NOT salvific...just as NOT committing adultery or not stealing does not save...or circumcision...

We can’t keep these on our own...

There’s only ONE way are we SAVED...BY HIM through Him and by Faith...on Him what He did...

and THEN in the keeping of His Ways...which of course include things and days He did and observed and yes fulfilled but NOT the way you are using that word...like Sunday keepers do...lol

It is His calendar...still...and not Pope Gregory’s version of Julian’s

I mean come out of Babylon right?

A peculiar people? Set aside by Him His Ways...

By keeping the feasts and festivals of the Old Testament without understanding what they mean and who they point to, it is obvious that we reject Jesus Christ as our Savior. In fact, we reject Him as “the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world” (John 1:29),
yes takes the SIN of the world away at the ACTUAL day of atONEment...one day one corporate SIN away from one corporate people..

having kept the feasts its hard to see Him His Ways without them...

and we reject Him as our High Priest, Intercessor, and Advocate in heaven.
yes He IS our High Priest...keeping the TIMES (plural) and Law of His Kingdom...not Babylon’s

However, if we keep these Feasts by understanding what these shadows point to then I am sure God blessing will be with you.
Amen..

Whose blessing? From which of the many worshipped?

but thanks and ditto

HalleluYah
 
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fulfilled in Him does NOT mean suspended, abrogated, destroyed...... I commented that SDAs have focused much energy on the 4th commandment which is deserved but have neglected not only festivals the His calendar and showtimes for His sanctuary but have also neglected the other commandments 1,2,3 which you did not think was true...and claimed ALL of God’s commandments are important just God’s 4th has been neglected...I then attempted to share with you that by calling it God’s commandments and NOT Yah’s commandments you neglect the 3rd...And SDA’s finally submitting to the Trinity then are in violation to the 2nd....
I will just make a few comments here before finishing otherwise it only becomes repetition as I have already provided the scriptures so will leave those with you for consideration.

When using the term "Fulfilled in Christ" the term was used only to point out that the feasts are all shadow prophecies that point to the Messiah (JESUS) as the true sacrifice for sin and his work and ministration on our behalf under the new covenant (see Hebrews 7; Hebrews 8; Hebrews 9; Hebrews 10; Ephesians 2; Colossians 2). John the Baptist says it at the beginning of the ministration of JESUS when he says not once but twice "BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD THE TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD" John 1:29; John 1:36 (too many scriptures already provided from the previous posts so no need to post any more here).

The ending of the shadow laws in the feast days were prophesied in the old covenant scriptures in Hosea and Isaiah here...

Hosea 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

Isaiah 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Brings us to the new that fulfills the shadows of things to come....

Hebrews 10:1-19
[1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never WITH THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year [Day of Atonement] *Leviticus 23:27-32.
[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.
[5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU DESIRED NOT, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], In BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN you have had no pleasure.
[7], Then said I, Lo, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.

NOTE: What are the Shadow laws of the OLD COVENANT? IT is those from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT v7 is a reference to...


Exodus 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

Deuteronomy 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

Deuteronomy 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 Kings 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 Kings 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 Kings 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

Continuing..

[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DESIRED NOT, neither had pleasure in them; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;

NOTE: We are talking about the BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:26 not God's 10 COMMANDMENTS in this chapter as again outlined in HEBREWS 10:7-8 above

[9], Then said he, LO I COME TO DO YOUR WILL O GOD. HE TAKES AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MIGHT ESTABLISH THE SECOND

NOTE: NEW COVENANT NO MORE ANIMAL SACRIFICES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW


[10], By the which will we are sanctified through THE OFFERING OF THE BODY OF JESUS ONCE AND FOR ALL.
[11], And every priest stands daily ministering and offering frequently the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12], BUT THIS MAN, AFTER HE HAD OFFERED ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOREVER, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13], From then on waiting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[14], For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified.
[15], The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after this he had said before,
[16], THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM;
[17], And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[18], Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[19], Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

NOTE: The NEW COVENANT is NO MORE SHADOW LAWS and animal sacrifices from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) God's LAW is to be written in a NEW HEART TO LOVE * ROMANS 13:8-10.

Time to leave the shadows. They are fulfilled in Christ.

Whose blessing? From which of the many worshipped?
What kind of question is that? Who else? Of course only the one true God of ISRAEL of the old and new covenants. My God has many names. What do you want to call him? Will you describe God with a name? A name is only a description. Can you describe God? A name is nothing with God and that is why he has too many names. What single name will you call God to describe who He is?

Will it be....

EH-YEH [haw-yaw]: “I AM THAT I AM” (Exodus 3:14) The self existent one. Jesus claiming the title (John 8:58) εἰμί eimi meaning “I EXIST”

EL, ELOAH [el, el-oh-ah]: God "mighty, strong, prominent" (Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 139:19) – etymologically, El appears to mean “power” and “might” (Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity (Numbers 23:19), jealousy (Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion (Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of “might” remains.

ELOHIM [el-oh-heem]: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong” (Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) – the plural form of Eloah, which accommodates the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible’s first sentence, the superlative nature of God’s power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence (Genesis 1:1).

EL SHADDAI [el-shah-dahy]: “God Almighty,” “The Mighty One of Jacob” (Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) – speaks to God’s ultimate power over all.

ADONAI [ˌædɒˈnaɪ; ah-daw-nahy]: “Lord” (Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) – used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God’s dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles.

YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) – strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, “Lord.” The revelation of the name is first given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3).

YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) – the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.

YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) – “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.

YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) – God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.

YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) – the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.

YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) – a combination of God’s unique name YHWH and the generic “Lord,” signifying that He is the Lord of Lords.

YAHWEH-TSIDKENU [yah-way-tzid-kay-noo]: "The Lord Our Righteousness” (Jeremiah 33:16) – As with YHWH-M’Kaddesh, it is God alone who provides righteousness (from the Hebrew word tsidkenu) to man, ultimately in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ, who became sin for us “that we might become the Righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

YAHWEH-ROHI [yah-way-roh-hee]: "The Lord Our Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1) – After David pondered his relationship as a shepherd to his sheep, he realized that was exactly the relationship God had with him, and so he declares, “Yahweh-Rohi is my Shepherd. I shall not want” (Psalm 23:1).

YAHWEH-SHAMMAH [yah-way-sham-mahw]: "The Lord Is There” (Ezekiel 48:35) – the name ascribed to Jerusalem and the Temple there, indicating that the once-departed glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 8—11) had returned (Ezekiel 44:1-4).

YAHWEH-SABAOTH [yah-way-sah-bah-ohth]: "The Lord of Hosts" (Isaiah 1:24; Psalm 46:7) – Hosts means “hordes,” both of angels and of men. He is Lord of the host of heaven and of the inhabitants of the earth, of Jews and Gentiles, of rich and poor, master and slave. The name is expressive of the majesty, power, and authority of God and shows that He is able to accomplish what He determines to do.

EL ELYON [el-el-yohn]: “Most High" (Deuteronomy 26:19) – derived from the Hebrew root for “go up” or “ascend,” so the implication is of that which is the very highest. El Elyon denotes exaltation and speaks of absolute right to lordship.

EL ROI [el-roh-ee]: "God of Seeing" (Genesis 16:13) – the name ascribed to God by Hagar, alone and desperate in the wilderness after being driven out by Sarah (Genesis 16:1-14). When Hagar met the Angel of the Lord, she realized she had seen God Himself in a theophany. She also realized that El Roi saw her in her distress and testified that He is a God who lives and sees all.

EL-OLAM [el-oh-lahm]: "Everlasting God" (Psalm 90:1-3) – God’s nature is without beginning or end, free from all constraints of time, and He contains within Himself the very cause of time itself. “From everlasting to everlasting, You are God.”

EL-GIBHOR [el-ghee-bohr]: “Mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) – the name describing the Messiah, Christ Jesus, in this prophetic portion of Isaiah. As a powerful and mighty warrior, the Messiah, the Mighty God, will accomplish the destruction of God’s enemies and rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15).

Choose any one of them. My God has many names and he is the God of the old and new testament. The Alpha and the Omega, the begging and the end. So as shown above your claims in regards to SDA's do not hold any substance to me. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.

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There is no such thing as "replacement theology" as God's ISRAEL in the new covenant according to the scriptures are all those who believe and follow God's Word *Romans 9:6-8. There is no JEW or Gentile believer as all are one in Christ *Galatians 3:28-29. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL, then you have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. Well the rest of your post is simply claims unsupported by the scriptures so we will leave it here for now.

I wish you well.
 
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I will just make a few comments here before finishing otherwise it only becomes repetition as and I have already provided the scriptures so will leave those with you for consideration.

When using the term "Fulfilled in Christ" the term was used only to point out that the feasts are all shadow prophecies that point to the Messiah (JESUS) as the true sacrifice for sin and his work and ministration on our behalf under the new covenant (see Hebrews 7; Hebrews 8; Hebrews 9; Hebrews 10; Ephesians 2; Colossians 2).
This New Covenant Age was modeled by Yahushua prior His christening it to a room full of Jews...who even after His Death Burial Resurrection and Ascension 40 day's and 5 weekends later NOTHING was changed...They still celebrated the Sabbath as we agree...they still ate clean meats as we agree...and they met for Pentecost, the spring feasts AND fall feasts..."Copy me as I copied Christ" is what Paul instructed AND demonstrated...AS Yahushua did both prior...

John the Baptist says it at the beginning of the ministration of JESUS when he says not once but twice "BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD THE TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD" John 1:29; John 1:36 (too many scriptures already provided from the previous posts so no need to post any more here).
you miss that the day of atONEment is when the SIN (corporate singular not individual plural) is finally dealt with and "TAKEN AWAY" by THIS SAME LAMB...only at the END of TIMES...until then it is symbolized by the "cleansing of the temple" SDAs "discovered" in 1844...

again the cross was NOT a sin offering but a THANK OFFERING as PASSOVER had His WRATH pass over until that FINAL DAY...


The ending of the shadow laws in the feast days were prophesied in the old covenant scriptures in Hosea and Isaiah here...

Hosea 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

because she was adulterous and put away NOT because of the cross...Peter didn't even think the messiah was supposed to suffer and die...

Isaiah 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Brings us to the new that fulfills the shadows of things to come....
again He hated it BECAUSE it did NOT bring circumcision of their hearts...NO TRUE FAITH BELIEF LOVE...that wife had adulterated His worship...kinda like she is doing today...come out of Babylon her My people

Hebrews 10:1-19
[1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come,
yup STILL having present tense a shadow of good things STILL to come...written post the cross

and not the very image of the things, can never WITH THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year [Day of Atonement] *Leviticus 23:27-32.
[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.
[5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU DESIRED NOT, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], In BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN you have had no pleasure.
[7], Then said I, Lo, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.

NOTE: What are the Shadow laws of the OLD COVENANT? IT is those from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT v7 is a reference to...

The Law was to point out sin not to make perfect...but to point to One Who can

Exodus 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

Deuteronomy 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

Deuteronomy 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 Kings 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 Kings 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 Kings 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

Continuing..

[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DESIRED NOT, neither had pleasure in them; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;

NOTE: We are talking about the BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:26 not God's 10 COMMANDMENTS in this chapter as again outlined in HEBREWS 10:7-8 above

[9], Then said he, LO I COME TO DO YOUR WILL O GOD. HE TAKES AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MIGHT ESTABLISH THE SECOND

NOTE: NEW COVENANT NO MORE ANIMAL SACRIFICES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW


[10], By the which will we are sanctified through THE OFFERING OF THE BODY OF JESUS ONCE AND FOR ALL.
[11], And every priest stands daily ministering and offering frequently the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12], BUT THIS MAN, AFTER HE HAD OFFERED ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOREVER, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13], From then on waiting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[14], For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified.
[15], The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after this he had said before,
[16], THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM;
[17], And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[18], Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[19], Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

NOTE: The NEW COVENANT is NO MORE SHADOW LAWS and animal sacrifices from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) God's LAW is to be written in a NEW HEART TO LOVE * ROMANS 13:8-10.

Time to leave the shadows. They are fulfilled in Christ.

Mercy rather than sacrifice...was the point...The Torah was described as the Way the Truth and the Light...and then the THAT Word became flesh...and Yahushua the aim goal and endzone for the whole OT...

and the lifestyle He demonstrated...is for His people...come out of babylon...

IS WHY the disciples and the sect known as "the Way" even Paul joined STILL observed both festivals AND Levitical dietary laws...not the SDAs but the disciples and early church known as "the WAY"...the SDAs just the dietary laws...

Imagine if the apostles were teaching on Solomon's porch "oh the Sabbath remains but not the festivals and you can eat Ham" lol

You think Gamaliel would advise leave them alone? Or the zealous Jews would agree to do so hearing "festivals are done away with and we can eat Ham"

Luke was clear it was FALSE WITNESS with which Jews were attempting to slander poor Stephen claiming he taught "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered" Acts 6:13-14
FALSE because Stephen did NOT teach that nor did Yahushua DO that "THINK NOT THAT"

Paul even proved he walked orderly to myraids of Jews STILL ZEALOUS for the LAW to a vow...you think he could have done that teaching "festivals are done away with...we can eat Ham"?

At ALL of his trials he was innocent and bumped up to a higher court...you think that would have happened if he had taught "festivals are done away with we can eat Ham"?

His letters could have been submitted as condemning evidence if indeed that is what he preached...or how he lived...

Acts 16:20-21 He annoyed Romans with customs NOT lawful for Romans to observe...was that Sunday worship NO festivals and eating Ham?

Zechariah 14:16 still has us celebrating tabernacles and Isaiah His Sabbaths and New Moons...

"Copy me as I copy Christ" says Paul...FOLLOW Me He says meaning His Living Oracles handed down at Sinai to His people already full of strangers within thy gates...ONE LAW for native and foreigner THE SAME...

What kind of question is that?
direct? should be easy...and ONE answer all those times we repeated "Hallowed by Thy Name" or "THOU SHALT not take His Name in vain"...literally from Sinai to Jerusalem...all for naught?

Who else? Of course only the one true God of ISRAEL of the old and new covenants. My God has many names. What do you want to call him? Will you describe God with a name? A name is only a description. Can you describe God?
after all He did to make His Name known...and all He did so that we could begin to describe Him...declare His Name as worthy and give Him glory

Adam was to NAME after all...and did so...

what bride does NOT use her husband's name?

A name is nothing with God
NOTHING? sought out a people for it...He made a TEMPLE FOR IT...sent His Son in His name...did ALL for His Name's SAKE...

We are to baptize in His Name...not take it in vain...but Hallow it...

He wants to write His on your forehead...

covenants are legal contracts after all...best know the signers...lol

and yes your name is important too...to stay in the book of life...

and that is why he has too many names.
too many?

What single name will you call God to describe who He is?
names do more than describe and you know that...say a name and people remember who that is...

but rather than choose one you just say "God"?

Will it be....

...

YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) – strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, “Lord.” The revelation of the name is first given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3).

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Choose any one of them.
well at least you didn't start listing "King of Kings" "God ALMIGHTY" or something more like that...

I prefer Yah...as in halleluYah...EliYah...IsaYah...

oh and His Son...Who came in His Father's Name...YAHushua...and so on...

can you believe the disciples got in trouble for healing and teaching in that name?

El i jah = god is Yah
El i sha = god is salvation/saves

when does Yah save? when the word becomes flesh...Yah + sha

My God has many names and he is the God of the old and new testament.
So just one God?

The Alpha and the Omega, the begging and the end. So as shown above your claims in regards to SDA's do not hold any substance to me.
ok


Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.
except to change both TIMES and Laws which includes His name?

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There is no such thing as "replacement theology" as God's ISRAEL in the new covenant according to the scriptures are all those who believe and follow God's Word *Romans 9:6-8. There is no JEW or Gentile believer as all are one in Christ *Galatians 3:28-29. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL, then you have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27.
ummm that IS replacement theology...His people are citizens of Israel...doing His Times and Laws...having come out of Babylon and its times and laws...

Well the rest of your post is simply claims unsupported by the scriptures so we will leave it here for now.

I wish you well.

Ok...

Thanks and yes may He lead...

HalleluYah

What’s in a name?

 
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ummm that IS replacement theology...His people are citizens of Israel...doing His Times and Laws...having come out of Babylon and its times and laws...

Hello clefty, I prefer to believe the scriptures. As posted earlier there is no such thing as "replacement theology" as no one is replacing God's ISRAEL as God's ISRAEL is no longer those in the flesh but of the Spirit according to the new covenant scriptures. God's ISRAEL is only a name given by God in the new covenant to those who believe and follow Gods' Word.

Here let's look at the scriptures and let God's Word tell us who His ISRAEL is in the new covenant....

1. ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE 12 TRIBES linked
2. MEANING OF THE NAME OF GOD'S ISRAEL linked
3. GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT linked
4. GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN WITH GOD'S ISRAEL linked

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Romans 3:4. Time to leave the shadows dear friend, the light of the world has come, we are in the new covenant now not the old and he is come and died and is alive again and is risen. I do not feel the need to respond to the rest of your post as I have already provided scripture that you have not addressed and this is going off topic.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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Hello clefty, I prefer to believe the scriptures.
as you should...you imply I do not?

As posted earlier there is no such thing as "replacement theology"
wait what? Wow...the modern age...

as no one is replacing God's ISRAEL as God's ISRAEL is no longer those in the flesh but of the Spirit according to the new covenant scriptures.
how is that NOT suppresessionism?

God's ISRAEL is only a name given by God in the new covenant to those who believe and follow Gods' Word.
“God’s Israel” you mean the Israel of God? Gal 3:16

His have always ONLY been those that obey...BY FAITH...Heb 11 lists plenty prior Israel...

It was the very same with those in the OT when Israel received the living oracles at Sinai...and prior that...always having been by divine intervention and not BY blood...

Israel was not Jewish

and already at Sinai full of those NOT of Jacob...”strangers in the gates” AS it is ONE LAW for native and foreigner THE SAME


Here let's look at the scriptures and let God's Word tell us who His ISRAEL is in the new covenant....

1. ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE 12 TRIBES linked

2. MEANING OF THE NAME OF GOD'S ISRAEL linked

3. GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT linked

4. GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN WITH GOD'S ISRAEL linked

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Romans 3:4. Time to leave the shadows dear friend, the light of the world has come, we are in the new covenant now not the old and he is come and died and is alive again and is risen.
and yet both Hebrews and Paul write the shadows in PRESENT TENSE...and for His people Israel of which we are grafted INTO...to match those branches NOT having been cut off for unbelief...

I do not feel the need to respond to the rest of your post as I have already provided scripture that you have not addressed and this is going off topic.
not addressed?


May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
thanks?...

you too...
 
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as you should...you imply I do not?

wait what? Wow...the modern age...

how is that NOT suppresessionism?

“God’s Israel” you mean the Israel of God? Gal 3:16

His have always ONLY been those that obey...BY FAITH...Heb 11 lists plenty prior Israel...

It was the very same with those in the OT when Israel received the living oracles at Sinai...and prior that...always having been by divine intervention and not BY blood...

Israel was not Jewish

and already at Sinai full of those NOT of Jacob...”strangers in the gates” AS it is ONE LAW for native and foreigner THE SAME


and yet both Hebrews and Paul write the shadows in PRESENT TENSE...and for His people Israel of which we are grafted INTO...to match those branches NOT having been cut off for unbelief...

not addressed?


thanks?...

you too...

I prefer to believe what the bible says...

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL as defined in the new covenant scriptures then you have no part in God's new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12).

More scripture here if your interested...

1. ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE 12 TRIBES linked
2. MEANING OF THE NAME OF GOD'S ISRAEL linked
3. GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT linked
4. GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN WITH GOD'S ISRAEL linked

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CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.
 
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I prefer to believe what the bible says...
you keep sayin’...so you don’t think I do?

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore.
or male or female as obviously all this relates to the spiritual realm...

All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ.
agree...including Sabbath and diet...

And I throw in names and festivals...and reject the Trinity that Babylonian construct I came out of too...as did the founding SDA...is another why they were considered a cult early on...

Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham.
and those NOT of Jacob but “strangers within their gates” who received the Sabbath and festival days just NOT the meat of Passover as they already sacrificed their first born...

but they were ALSO saved from Egypt and received the promise...land even...Ezekiel 47:22-23 four of them are in Yahushua’s genealogy...

One Law for native and foreigner THE SAME...already when they received the living oracles from Him at Sinai...

Including their diet, festivals, Sabbaths oh and names...Babylon did NOT name them...come out come out!!

In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise...
yup a citizen of Israel...worshiping its God Yah by Name and manner...according to His times and laws...unchanged

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...
yes yes...halleluYah...more and more like Him and HOW He lived demonstrating the New Covenant lifestyle for His people...coming out of Babylon its names and festivals and laws...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...
a new CIRCUMCISED heart...submitting to His times and law...He being Jewish and not some English named Latin speaking Greek...the Romans were annoyed by customs not lawful for Romans to observe...Acts 16:21

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...
yup grafted in branches matching the lifestyle of those branches which were NOT cut off for unbelief

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...
just like the OT was...and just like the OT this New Covenant Israel TOO is full of those NOT of Jacob...neat eh?

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.
yup obey commandments AND statutes (times)...AND judgements...(clean vs unclean)

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL as defined in the new covenant scriptures then you have no part in God's new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12).

More scripture here if your interested...

1. ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE 12 TRIBES linked

2. MEANING OF THE NAME OF GOD'S ISRAEL linked

3. GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT linked

4. GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN WITH GOD'S ISRAEL linked
............

CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

Ok...and YUP...

MORE like Him...and His Ways...ALL of them...and thus LESS like Babylon its times and laws...and names...

I mean...”Come out come out”...Right?

Fear Who and give glory to Him...the hour of His Judgment is come..

And worship Who else? Him who made heaven and earth...

For:

Here are those that keep the commandments of Yah... (all of them) and the faith OF Yahushua...(Just like)

What is the faith OF Yahushua? Buddhism? Islam? Hinduism? Catholic? Protestant?
 
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